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 Should Preve still be considered?, Or drop it and consider others?

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MR_alien
post Apr 18 2012, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 18 2012, 12:50 PM)
I want to trust Proton again but upon looking at the welding finish on all 4 doors....it turned me off immediately.
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Diamondbar...is that u?
or u didn't research other car also have this or not??


Added on April 18, 2012, 2:01 pm
QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Apr 18 2012, 12:35 PM)
lol, got vios J voted somemore, 4air bag+esc+EBD VS 1air bag and ripp off safety, lol tongue.gif
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i'm suprised to see vios J too
considering he "said" preve isn't worthed...LOL

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post Apr 18 2012, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(cahayamalamku @ Apr 18 2012, 02:50 PM)
when 2nd batch will come out? thinking of buying WXW198* for her sad.gif
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if u book now...or be4 launch...you're entitled to 1st batch
if u book like 3 weeks to 1 month later...thn most probably is 2nd batch
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post Apr 18 2012, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 18 2012, 03:04 PM)
mind to elaborate what do u mean by unresponsive? at least the peak torque starts at 2000rpm compared to normal cps at 4500. rclxm9.gif
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becuz he doesn't know...he just drive
he thought the turbo kicks in once he step on it
he doesn't know...be4 2k RPM, its NA 1.6 after all
if he got see the brochure..already stated 205nM(2k-4k RPM)
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post Apr 18 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(kenso77 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:17 PM)
No ler, not him. Take picture is taken by me and posted in my blog

Anyways, coming back to topic, I find the price range to be really huge. It really depends on priority, I feel. Test drive is a definite must before considering the spec sheet.

In terms of sheer value for money, I take the Preve. Since I place comfort as a priority, the large cabin space (more comfort for rear passengers for long distance drives) and superior NVH (you really won't notice the speed you're travelling in unless u look at the meter) wins high marks for me. I don't zip around in high speeds too much but it's good to know overtaking on B roads can be done confidently.

In summary:-

Peugeot 207 - space restriction, heavy steering
Vios J spec - compromised safety
Inspira 2.0 - arguably a good choice too but space and spec wise, Preve wins, not to mention a lot cheaper
Forte 2.0 - Preve trumps rear comfort and space
Myvi 1.5 - Not really a sedan so I won't consider this as an option
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if u want an inspira...u can take that as well
in paper, its more expensive than preve but inspira can get big discount from SA
making it somewhat very near price to preve
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post Apr 18 2012, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Apr 18 2012, 03:18 PM)
seriously that 1k rpm before turbo spools does it take that long to reach 2k rpm?  i haven't go test drive yet but based on my previous (10 years) experiences with turbo cars, 1k rpm of turbo lag / sluggishness isn't THAT bad.  but this is just my 2 cents, need to test drive first to see.  at least u won't have to suffer the crappy underpowered and unresponsiveness of the vios on ALL the rev range
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i think its different perception and how we all drive(all different style driving)
i haven't test drive this yet
but for newer gen proton, the min requirement for changing gear is 2k RPM...from what i heard from EB owner also keeping the RPM around 2k as well when pick up
i think its not a problem la..not sure abt others(i dn't see any EB owner complaining abt that also)
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post Apr 18 2012, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(0300078 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:20 PM)
my friends first batch Exora Bold first three months engine suddenly shut down.... send back to service center dunno what happen.... then he regreted.... he said he should not give Proton chance at all... should have listen to me to buy the later batch car instead of becoming the guinea pig or should i said QC OFFICER of Proton.
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thats NOT proton's problem
its your friend's SA problem...he didn't tighten the battery connector back(when its loosen back at the stockyard)
the fix is simple but mechanic in SC most dn't know how to fix cuz they're not trained to fix this
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post Apr 18 2012, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(0300078 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:38 PM)
he has already resolve the problem already.

I wont said this is not a problem of PROTON. First of all to us normal consumer will only think that those SA also work for Proton.... no way are they not related or responsible...

second is the SC does not have enough knowledge about the car.... and have no way to help check the problem which i cant accept. Sending a customer back and forth to the SC but cannot solved a small problem on a BRAND NEW car.
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the SA is suppose to check the car be4 they give the car to the customer(its their responsibility)
got a check list or not i dn't know but they should have 1 to keep everything in order
i still not sure why SC mechanic dn't know how to fix a simple thing..most probably they're not trained for that(cuz most of them are newbie afterall)...cuz proton mechanic are all newbie mechanic that just graduate if u know....after got experience, thn they jump to other more reputable company
my saga last time also got this problem....newbie mech there standing scratching head, manager came out...1 min done already
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post Apr 18 2012, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 03:40 PM)
Sadly, you are right. stupid SAs reflect poorly on Proton, but what can Proton do? all they can do is educate their customers.

Also, I am assuming your friend send to authorized SC instead of Proton Edar SC, because I think this is a common problem.
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authorized SC?...proton edar SC not authorized meh?
in my place proton edar SC have better service than their EON SC
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post Apr 18 2012, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 18 2012, 04:44 PM)
the cvt 'rubber band' feeling is no doubt. but the power is there..except the feel is no there. hehehehe. even established brand have problem with turbo lag. monstrous evo fq400 have problem with turbo lag. i'm looking fwd to drive a car with wide range of torque peak..sure nicee...  rclxm9.gif
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ya....some other car...their turbo only kick @ 3k RPM or higher which is quite bad
proton's set is @ 2k...consider very good already
if want faster thn can get VW....1.4K RPM already kick in..haha
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post Apr 18 2012, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(rockets @ Apr 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
On top of the turbocharger, VW adds a supercharger to 'fix' that lower end rpm. I tihnk if preve add something like that need to tambah another $10k and it's probably too high tech an undertaking for proton.
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that would have to wait until 2015 where proton introduce new engine
if not wrong...the campro cannot stand supercharger
they did buy a few unit to test previously and is supposedly for satria neo
but after that no news...i think fail
wait new engine better
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post Apr 18 2012, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 18 2012, 06:06 PM)
Is the "engine" reliability as good as the vios?

Is the resale value as good as the vios?

No, right? You do know that.
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u forgot something...fixed
the engine...not the car itself


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QUOTE(Johnix @ Apr 18 2012, 06:08 PM)
1st the buttons, now this? global car my a$s..
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haha...the welding is quite shitty but did u know that many other car also have weldings like that
lol...lol!

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post Apr 18 2012, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(alan1123 @ Apr 18 2012, 08:50 PM)
buying preve got present? if no, then maybe don need to consider d ....lol
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ahhh....have u bought a car be4?
newly released car always no present and discount one ...unless u personally know the SA la
then will have present but that present he use his money to buy....this one i know personally
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post Apr 19 2012, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(mikro @ Apr 18 2012, 10:01 PM)
For a near c-segment car at 73K i think can consider...

But test drive the car, feel it, like it, only order.

As MR_alien says, the downside is there no discount thou.
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go to preve club...theres is a certain SA there offering discount
ask the SA's details frm them
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post Apr 19 2012, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(kkljason @ Apr 19 2012, 01:03 PM)
Test drive the Preve last nite. Basically Proton still live up to its name as the worst car manufacturer .....

Below are my personal feel on the test drive;

Pros;
1. Looks original and considerably big for a compact sedan
2. CVT transmission is smooth
3. Big booth space
4. Value for money

Cons;
1. Steering too heavy for a car that size and weight
2. Pick up slow considering with CFE and turbocharged
3. Dash board and meters look cheap, like a slightly upgraded Proton Saga dash board and meter
4. Suspension too hard, maybe due to big rims and lower profile tyres
5. Internal finishing are cheap plasticky and too thin
6. Reliability of equipments are questionable. The test drive unit's traction control cannot be turn on. Only a few days after launching.... blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif

Conclusion definately not buying. Price and feature wise is very tempting but after trying out ..... very disappointed.
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talking abt your cons
no.1 it is suppose to be heavy...what?..u expect soft like toyota and perodua?...toyota and perodua's steering is too soft and bad
if u driven european car be4..you'll know their steering is hard compare to toyota...it provides stability..especially during high speed...if u move from toyota to proton...of course u will say why so hard cuz u dn't understand

no.2 pickup slow is be4 2k RPM or after 2k RPM rev?...as stated the turbo only kicks in after 2K RPM
and as said by other people, insulation is done well, so u would feels you're moving very fast
same with other european car like BMW and merc...u move 160KM/H but it feels nothing

others can't comment but the suspension part should be fine considering they're using kayaba absorber and multilink
and the traction control(correct me if i'm wrong)...u cannot turn on becuz its always ON...u can only turn it off

 

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