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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Carling Cup Winner,FA Cup Runner Up 2012

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Rotuham
post Apr 26 2012, 08:38 AM

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i really miss the CL.This season shall be the last for the cup run excuse.
Next season if same nonsense happens again,there shall be no room for sentiments.No man is bigger than the club.
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post Apr 26 2012, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 26 2012, 08:30 AM)
They may still aim for the posts regardless!  shocking.gif
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i'll personally fly to Melwood with a rotan and whip each and every1 of them.
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post Apr 26 2012, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 26 2012, 08:30 AM)
They may still aim for the posts regardless!   shocking.gif
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i jokingly said after we hit posts few times in the first few match of the season (never thought this problem will linger....)

aim for the post...and you'll score....


Added on April 26, 2012, 8:58 am
QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 26 2012, 08:38 AM)
i really miss the CL.This season shall be the last for the cup run excuse.
Next season if same nonsense happens again,there shall be no room for sentiments.No man is bigger than the club.
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every Pool fans will. The European Cup or CL...is magic for us. We used the league titles to dominate and establish our reputation as a top club. but it was really those magical Euro nites that translated Liverpool into another realm.

and now, we can't, CANT even qualify for the competition....not easy being a Pool fan sometimes but this is where we stick with the club thick and thin...

yeah, you're right...we need to rebuild quickly for CL...

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post Apr 26 2012, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(nando @ Apr 26 2012, 08:56 AM)
i jokingly said after we hit posts few times in the first few match of the season (never thought this problem will linger....)

aim for the post...and you'll score....
Methinks Nandos cicken will do the trick! laugh.gif
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post Apr 26 2012, 09:08 AM

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Kuyt going home?, Aquaman coming?

Feyenoord Offer Kuyt ‘Now or Never’ Contract: Soccer Roundup
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post Apr 26 2012, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 26 2012, 09:04 AM)
Methinks Nandos cicken will do the trick!   laugh.gif
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like one comedy i saw lol..the phyton was coiling around the hero...he ask his girlfriend to help..use stick and aim to hit snake's head....twice the girlfriend hit his head..

then he said...try aiming for my head...and the girlfriend did the job.... doh.gif

Can someone please check how many times Aquaman and J Cole have hit them posts in Spain and France?

on a more serious note, yeah, Kalou leaked out the hint that Dirk wants to go back Feyernoord...

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QUOTE(nando @ Apr 26 2012, 09:24 AM)
like one comedy i saw lol..the phyton was coiling around the hero...he ask his girlfriend to help..use stick and aim to hit snake's head....twice the girlfriend hit his head..

then he said...try aiming for my head...and the girlfriend did the job.... doh.gif

Can someone please check how many times Aquaman and J Cole have hit them posts in Spain and France?

on a more serious note, yeah, Kalou leaked out the hint that Dirk wants to go back Feyernoord...
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Kalou? How would he know?

But there has been rumours of this AND for 1MIL! mad.gif
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post Apr 26 2012, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 26 2012, 09:29 AM)
Kalou?  How would he know?

But there has been rumours of this AND for 1MIL!  mad.gif
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they are both alumnis of Feyernood...
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...yenoord?cc=4716
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On an unrelated note, I wonder what Ramos was aiming for.

Credit to Chelsea for hanging in there but I would have liked to see Barca play in the final. Heck, I like to watch Barca play on any given day. I see posters disecting what they did wrong but in the end, they get most things right. The first leg in particular were theirs for the taking. As Liverpools fans, we should be able to empathise - dominating the game, having the lion's share of possession, chances and yet getting sucker punched in the end. I almost fell off my chauir laughing when I read and article the next day depicting how Chelsea got their formation right. Well if you ask me, their formation had little to do with their escape. It was more about Barca scuppering their chances. When you play a team like Barca, you know they'll create chances. All you can do is to minimise the amount of opportunities they get. It's kind of like guarding Michael Jordan. You know he'll score 30-40 on any given day and if you limit him to below 30 points, you've had a good day. You'll never really stop Barca. The understanding between their players is almost telepathic having played together since their youth days. You just do all you can to limit their opportunities and hope they miss them.
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QUOTE(ftptwistedclown @ Apr 26 2012, 09:08 AM)
Kuyt is already 31. For some industry, 31 is where u hit yur prime. In football, 31 is the start of sunset. I'm not surprise if he decide to return to FEyenoord.

Aquaman have been an enigma. Came to LFC injured. Never really make his mark (though we can argue he never realy given the chance). Flourish on loan and kept going on loan. I think he remember his best time in LFC being loan out to the Italian. I doubt Aquaman will come back for long.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 26 2012, 10:45 AM)
On an unrelated note, I wonder what Ramos was aiming for.

Credit to Chelsea for hanging in there but I would have liked to see Barca play in the final. Heck, I like to watch Barca play on any given day. I see posters disecting what they did wrong but in the end, they get most things right. The first leg in particular were theirs for the taking. As Liverpools fans, we should be able to empathise - dominating the game, having the lion's share of possession, chances and yet getting sucker punched in the end. I almost fell off my chauir laughing when I read and article the next day depicting how Chelsea got their formation right. Well if you ask me, their formation had little to do with their escape. It was more about Barca scuppering their chances. When you play a team like Barca, you know they'll create chances. All you can do is to minimise the amount of opportunities they get. It's kind of like guarding Michael Jordan. You know he'll score 30-40 on any given day and if you limit him to below 30 points, you've had a good day. You'll never really stop Barca. The understanding between their players is almost telepathic having played together since their youth days. You just do all you can to limit their opportunities and hope they miss them.
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A joy to watch is Barca.

Barca's weaknesses were

a) Defence
b) Inability to change their strategy mid game- No Big No.9 centre. They sorely miss a predator
in Villa -similar to our situation

R madrid and chelsea set up for that. Like you mentioned

limit their opportunities and hope they miss them.

AND counter strike them with Ronaldo or Drogba to snatch a SUCKERs goal.

Formation 6-3-1
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post Apr 26 2012, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(demio121 @ Apr 26 2012, 11:02 AM)
Kuyt is already 31.  For some industry, 31 is where u hit yur prime.  In football, 31 is the start of sunset.  I'm not surprise if he decide to return to FEyenoord.

Aquaman have been an enigma.  Came to LFC injured.  Never really make his mark (though we can argue he never realy given the chance).  Flourish on loan and kept going on loan.  I think he remember his best time in LFC being loan out to the Italian.  I doubt Aquaman will come back for long.
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At least give Aquaman another season to prove himself, most of us had seen what he can do in pre-season and we desperately need player like him to open up defense. I just dont understand why Italian clubs refuse to sign him when he's so cheap compare to the fee we pay for him
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Apr 26 2012, 11:49 AM)
At least give Aquaman another season to prove himself, most of us had seen what he can do in pre-season and we desperately need player like him to open up defense. I just dont understand why Italian clubs refuse to sign him when he's so cheap compare to the fee we pay for him
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i agree Aquaman should be given a chance at this rightful home club. He came during the last year of Rafa and he is injured. Under Hodgson and Hodgson, he's been away all the time. I suspect Aquaman himself prefer the Italian league.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 26 2012, 10:45 AM)
On an unrelated note, I wonder what Ramos was aiming for.

Credit to Chelsea for hanging in there but I would have liked to see Barca play in the final. Heck, I like to watch Barca play on any given day. I see posters disecting what they did wrong but in the end, they get most things right. The first leg in particular were theirs for the taking. As Liverpools fans, we should be able to empathise - dominating the game, having the lion's share of possession, chances and yet getting sucker punched in the end. I almost fell off my chauir laughing when I read and article the next day depicting how Chelsea got their formation right. Well if you ask me, their formation had little to do with their escape. It was more about Barca scuppering their chances. When you play a team like Barca, you know they'll create chances. All you can do is to minimise the amount of opportunities they get. It's kind of like guarding Michael Jordan. You know he'll score 30-40 on any given day and if you limit him to below 30 points, you've had a good day. You'll never really stop Barca. The understanding between their players is almost telepathic having played together since their youth days. You just do all you can to limit their opportunities and hope they miss them.
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I'd like Barca to be the ones getting to the Final, but were they the better team over the 2 legs? I personally don't think so. Chelsea did everything right when it comes to playing against Barca. As you said, you can never completely shut down Barca and better teams have faltered when they think they could outplay them offensively. But you can contain Barca to the point of making them tumbling over on their own feet and this is exactly what Chesea accomplished. They kept it it tight at the back and were clinical when it mattered. I could see us doing exactly that under Rafa and we would be calling it a heroic victory. But Chelsea exudes certain arrogance and unoriginality that some of us cannot give them credit even when its due. I still don't like them at a personal level but in terms of football, they are doing everything right and credit to them for rising to the occasion.

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aquaman loves to spend summer in england. he will back to italy once season start.

kuyt is 31. not too old for italian league or feyenoord. they will accept him.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 26 2012, 11:46 AM)
A joy to watch is Barca.

Barca's weaknesses were

a) Defence
b) Inability to change their strategy mid game- No Big No.9 centre. They sorely miss a predator
in Villa -similar to our situation

R madrid and chelsea set up for that. Like you mentioned

limit their opportunities and hope they miss them.

AND counter strike them with Ronaldo or Drogba to snatch a SUCKERs goal.

Formation  6-3-1
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Yeah they could do with a little more depth in defence. Playing Masch in the heart of defence may work in countries who don't rely on big no.9's or keep the ball on the deck most of the time. In England however, you need bigger central defenders to deal with aerial threats. They miss Pique in this aspect. In terms of having a big no. 9 of their own, well some teams don't really use targetmen. Arsenal would sometimes use Henry to lead the line. Rafa played Mista alone when he was at Valencia. In the past, you'd visualise a big lumbering bloke when I mention, "central defenders". They needed to be big and tall against similarly large strikers like Duncan Ferguson, Carsten Jancker, Les Ferdinand, Niall Quinn, Jan Koller and so on. In today's game however, mobility is becoming a neccessity. It's something Carroll is having problems with. He doesn't get into good positions often enough and doesn't attack crosses well enough. Now, forwards are becoming smaller and quicker as route 1 football is becoming a thing of the past. Defenders have to this adapt and you now see smaller centrebacks who are quicker like Collocini, Cardoba, Milito, Puyol, Vermaelen, Jagielka, Richards, Ayala and Cannavaro, all of whom are under 6' tall. This a big no.9 isn't compulsory. Best have a Tim Cahill who is mobile and has the leap of a Kangaroo.
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next season just qualify for the cl!
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Apr 26 2012, 12:49 PM)
At least give Aquaman another season to prove himself, most of us had seen what he can do in pre-season and we desperately need player like him to open up defense. I just dont understand why Italian clubs refuse to sign him when he's so cheap compare to the fee we pay for him
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His salary, probably up there with the lfc seniors.

KD has mentioned that aquilani isn't in his game plans early this season and shipping him out (loan) might be best then to have an expensive bench. sad.gif probably thinks it might be detrimentral to his form if all he does is to peck behind Henderson & adam. (I guess)


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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 26 2012, 12:06 PM)
I'd like Barca to be the ones getting to the Final, but were they the better team over the 2 legs? I personally don't think so. Chelsea did everything right when it comes to playing against Barca. As you said, you can never completely shut down Barca and better teams have faltered when they think they could outplay them offensively. But you can contain Barca to the point of making them tumbling over on their own feet and this is exactly what Chesea accomplished. They kept it it tight at the back and were clinical when it mattered. I could see us doing exactly that under Rafa and we would be calling it a heroic victory. But Chelsea exudes certain arrogance and unoriginality that some of us cannot give them credit even when its due. I still don't like them at a personal level but in terms of football, they are doing everything right and credit to them for rising to the occasion.
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Some time last season I believe it was, Jose Mourinho's Real Madrid played negative football and walked away 1-0 winners in a game largely dominated by Barca. Negative football is indeed the most effective form of strategy against a team like Barca. We did the same and came away with all 3 points at the Nou Camp in the Champion's League. Who was the better side? Well we all have our own opinions. To be fair, teams who do play negative football seldom get credit especially from neutrals who want to see a positive and entertaining match. Here are some interesting stats though. I'll let everyone interpret it in any way they see fit.

http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/statszone/arc...creengrabs.aspx
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QUOTE(4ddict @ Apr 26 2012, 01:21 PM)
next season just qualify for the cl!
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thats a wrong aim.

the aim should be to play better football and better results will come.

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