QUOTE(mr_boonez @ Apr 15 2012, 07:19 AM)
halo brader. it's just different in manufacturing process.
there's two ways to make the doors.
either stamp the whole door outer/inner shape in one piece (BLM, Persona, Exora)..or
only the bottom lower part + door sash, which require welding during assembly (Waja, Preve)
go learn about manufacturing first la before trolling preve buyers with this ridiculous issue.
both of this assembly process doesn't affect safety. because the main point on safety is the impact bar inside the door panels. All this already done simulation la bro and also crash tested in Spain.
btw, the one cck125 highlight in the Inspira is called TWB panels.
Tailor Welded Blanking. Proton started using that method since BLM for the front and rear door panels. Also in Exora & Preve. This method is used worldwide to reduce process cost because less welding process required at assembly line. The panel already came welded by the steel supplier before stamping. Widely used in Honda, Toyota and also european car makers.
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Apr 15 2012, 09:24 AM)
I get what TS is trying to say, he mean that the Preve welding joint do not welded properly until you can see tiny hole , which in welding field, when sending for x-ray check, those welding must be rejected, Proton can accept this kind of welding and call it as a global car. I think to be fair, we should go to Proton showroom to look at it ourself, rather than keep bashing TS when he is only trying to tell us something isn't right for the new model Proton, we can see the Inspira photo, those welding is the right one, won't have so call tiny hole. Any car, no matter it is from BMW, Mercedes..., there must some parts of welding joint for the car doors, just how they going to weld the joint, this is the matter most.
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QUOTE(mr_boonez @ Apr 15 2012, 03:16 PM)
Penat aku explain door sash + door panel punya assembly...TS ni malas nak baca ke. BMW pun pakai door sash la weh
Teringat cerita sang kancil dengan monyet lak
QUOTE(mat79 @ Apr 15 2012, 03:38 PM)
cooldown ts. Yup,since u mentioned solid door corolla seg 1994, so, with side impact crash test, which side is better u think? Maybe u shud google how much stars yhe corolla seg 1994 manage to get n how it scores in side impact crash. If the side of corolla is better than preve, than u win hands down, ur theory is correct. Speaking about theory, of course, some using diff metals and thickness, coz only need reinforced important parts or the weight will be too heavy.
Any other cars also they have it, but it not that appaprent coz they polish it. For cosmetic, yes, it gives some impact, crash worthiness, no, polish vs non polish, merely the same, only polish cost higher. But since its inside, like somebody said, just need to cut cost for overspend which not really part of crashworthiness, performance n etc.
I think ts shud wait for ancap when prtn start selling preve in au. Then u can start buy, but i think if u rip off the whole car, or any car in the world, unless use aluminium bonded such lotus or audi, u will be scared coz weld spot is all over the car :-).
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I'll try to be fair here.
1. TS: The onus is on you to provide picture. You cannot just say "go see for yourself" because you decided to make a thread called "Proton Preve is not a global car but cut cost car". People have the right to hentam you kaw kaw cause you say something without proof to back your words. Also, you are seeing something that technically is not released yet, so not everyone can see. If you started a topic with showing a picture, asking people is this quality defect, with arrow than surely you will not be hentam kaw kaw.
2. Where is sleepwalker/moderator? This thread should be relegated to Kopi Tiam and not F&F or closed altogether. People who viewed (and agree with TS) cannot show proof also baffles me. I think better close thread. Next time you have a picture, then start new thread bring back your case. What this thread has manage to create is a space for proton bashers to take one side and pro proton to have other side. I'm surprised it has gone 10 pages without any picture to the original discussion. Its more of a flame thread now. No point adding the image in the 11th page since it no longer is discussing the main point.
I'll be frank here, TS you have poor net etiquette for essentially starting what essentially is a flame thread. You want people to take you seriously, but the way you do it (language) is aggressive without taking into account of your words. If you want to bring a breathtaking point (door assembly) do it in a respectable way which not only validates your point but also increases your LYN forum "respectability aura". You now manage to do both opposite items. You have to remember that whatever bad points you bring up after this will not be treated seriously by other LYN members (with long term memory).
Due to these, all kinds of trolls come out without adding any constructive points to the original discussion.
Apr 15 2012, 12:47 AM, updated 14y ago
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, i doubt it basher will find any single thing, even this. 
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