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 Proton Preve is not a global car but cut cost car, You must read this before you buy Preve

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post Apr 15 2012, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Apr 15 2012, 01:31 AM)
You'd better go to Proton Show room to see it yourself.

My wira welding joint's workman ship is even better than Preve,

At least my wira's welding joint is welded completely and no
hole; but for Preve, the welding joint is not welded completely
and you can see the hole...very scary quality...

This means my wira is welded 100% and cover the hole (joint) completely;
for Preve, it is only welded 50%, so you can see the hole...

Added on April 15, 2012, 1:31 am

Because I am a serious buyer for Preve...
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are u sure it is a welding or whatever it is.
some panels has been 'welded' together using synthetic glue which is meant to join the panels together.

i believe preve will have a high edge in cost cutting, whihc is normal. but the welding alone wont cost too much. just for the joint itself i might be because of other circumstances it has to be done in this method.

u need to check other makes to prove the point.
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post Apr 15 2012, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(BridgestoneRE711 @ Apr 15 2012, 02:06 AM)
are u sure it is a welding or whatever it is.
some panels has been 'welded' together using synthetic glue which is meant to join the panels together.

i believe preve will have a high edge in cost cutting, whihc is normal. but the welding alone wont cost too much. just for the joint itself i might be because of other circumstances it has to be done in this method.

u need to check other makes to prove the point.
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Boss, you'd better go to Proton show room and check it with your own eyes.
The Preve's cut cost welding joints and holes are very obvious there.

At the same time, check also Persona and Saga BLM that do not have
welding joints on doors, then you will know the difference..


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post Apr 15 2012, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Apr 15 2012, 01:43 AM)
There are only very few people will notice on this thing....
when they open the door, they will look to the interior only...

The next issue is front and rear reinforcement bars...which
almost nobody will pay attention to this...


Added on April 15, 2012, 1:45 am
It is your money... you can buy any cars you like, this has nothing to do with me..


Added on April 15, 2012, 2:01 am

This is not what you so called "bashing".


I just pointed it out that nobody will notice this welding joint issue.
And this is the fact happens on Preve as so called "global car".

Please go to Proton show room to check it out yourself.
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it is if u don't know what the hell u r talking about sweat.gif no offense
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post Apr 15 2012, 02:15 AM

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Its just another stupid car build by them, lets boycott for our safety and stop the blood sucking of imported cars!
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post Apr 15 2012, 02:15 AM

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Mind asking does the BMW 3 series has world class welding as well? rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 15 2012, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE(HanzoRacing @ Apr 15 2012, 02:15 AM)
Mind asking does the BMW 3 series has world class welding as well? rolleyes.gif
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I know Proton Gen2 exported to China does not have welding joint on door..


Added on April 15, 2012, 2:20 am
QUOTE(stormlcc @ Apr 15 2012, 02:14 AM)
it is if u don't know what the hell u r talking about sweat.gif  no offense
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No matter you like it or not, at least you know there are welding joints that have
not welded completely on Preve's door side.

This post has been edited by DiamondBar: Apr 15 2012, 02:23 AM
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post Apr 15 2012, 02:25 AM

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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Apr 15 2012, 02:17 AM)
I know Proton Gen2 exported to China does not have welding joint on door..


Added on April 15, 2012, 2:20 am

No matter you like it or not, at least you know there are welding joints that have
not welded completely on Preve's door side.
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U not answering my question pal sweat.gif
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post Apr 15 2012, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(HanzoRacing @ Apr 15 2012, 02:15 AM)
Mind asking does the BMW 3 series has world class welding as well? rolleyes.gif
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Then what do you think about BMW...???



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post Apr 15 2012, 02:32 AM

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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Apr 15 2012, 02:29 AM)
Then what do you think about BMW...???
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Coz I have no idea how the BMW welding is like. That why i ask u. rolleyes.gif

While munching my garrett popcorn.....
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Apr 15 2012, 02:32 AM)
mana gambar, pondan.
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Go to see it yourself lah...agua...
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QUOTE(wordtalks @ Apr 15 2012, 02:15 AM)
Its just another stupid car build by them, lets boycott for our safety and stop the blood sucking of imported cars!
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WTF? I am certain the Preve will be safer than most Japanese ASEAN spec cars (the Avanza does as bad as the Gen2/Persona). Who cares about the welding joints in the door. To me that's just cosmetic, thus irrelevant. Will the car do well in crash tests? That's what counts. How are the materials they have used? You can't see that.

Of course if you can explain to me WHY visible welding joints are of any importance then I may change my mind. The welding can be of good quality (and how else are you going to connect the parts? You wouldn't want to use the same steel for the whole door, because you'd either use low quality materials which won't withstand anything or you'd use high quality steel, which probably has other problems, such as costs or weight. It seems like they have added a side impact bar to protect the passengers).

Seriously, chill and wait for ANCAP results. Then we shall see if what Proton promises is true. smile.gif
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Bro, u trying to say there is a spot weld on the door that is weaken the door rigidity??
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Apr 15 2012, 02:50 AM)
WTF? I am certain the Preve will be safer than most Japanese ASEAN spec cars (the Avanza does as bad as the Gen2/Persona). Who cares about the welding joints in the door. To me that's just cosmetic, thus irrelevant. Will the car do well in crash tests? That's what counts. How are the materials they have used? You can't see that.

Of course if you can explain to me WHY visible welding joints are of any importance then I may change my mind. The welding can be of good quality (and how else are you going to connect the parts? You wouldn't want to use the same steel for the whole door, because you'd either use low quality materials which won't withstand anything or you'd use high quality steel, which probably has other problems, such as costs or weight. It seems like they have added a side impact bar to protect the passengers).

Seriously, chill and wait for ANCAP results. Then we shall see if what Proton promises is true. smile.gif
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Very simple mah...

If this welding joint is acceptable for you, then this Preve is ok for you loh...

But I am a bit worried small cockroach can go in to build their house there..


Added on April 15, 2012, 3:01 am
QUOTE(punkLOL @ Apr 15 2012, 02:53 AM)
Bro, u trying to say there is a spot weld on the door that is weaken the door rigidity??
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Please go to check Persona or new Saga first, then you will know the difference...
you will know which one you prefer..




This post has been edited by DiamondBar: Apr 15 2012, 03:01 AM
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post Apr 15 2012, 03:04 AM

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Hahahahhaha so takut welded parts kah?

if you strip down the car and look at how many parts of your chassis are welded together, you will probably never want to sit in a car ever again.
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QUOTE(punkLOL @ Apr 15 2012, 02:53 AM)
Bro, u trying to say there is a spot weld on the door that is weaken the door rigidity??
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Very simple mah...

2 pieces of short broken steel bars welded and joined together, versus
one original no broken steel bar, which one is more solid?


Added on April 15, 2012, 3:07 am
QUOTE(dares @ Apr 15 2012, 03:04 AM)
Hahahahhaha so takut welded parts kah?

if you strip down the car and look at how many parts of your chassis are welded together, you will probably never want to sit in a car ever again.
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I expect Preve is like Persona, but not like wira...understand...???

This post has been edited by DiamondBar: Apr 15 2012, 03:07 AM
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post Apr 15 2012, 03:10 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Apr 15 2012, 02:50 AM)
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oh god, its you again. BAN PROTON!!! ANTI PROTON!!! RAKYAT SUFFER ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
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post Apr 15 2012, 03:16 AM

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This is the reason why Australian can get 6 air bags;
while Malaysian can get only maximum 4 air bags....

Because Malaysian are not demanding for high quality products...


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post Apr 15 2012, 03:16 AM

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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Apr 15 2012, 03:04 AM)
I expect Preve is like Persona, but not like wira...understand...???
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And you based that on what? A welding seam?

Have you personally measure the chassis stiffness of both cars? Did you exert 10'000Nm of force on they B-pillars and saw which one buckled first?

Just for your info, the Waja had the stiffest chassis in proton's line of products, more than a volvo S40. The preve chassis is specced to be even stiffer than the waja.

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