Waaaaa.....Preve also cut & joint. No good.

this answers everything and everyone learns something new today.

say thank you to mitsubishi for having this in user manual, and yes, proton is bad because they never include this in their manual, thus making TS very very concerned and confused.

u don cast a whole damn ship out, u still do welding, does it means that the ship have no structural intergrity shit? Who say welding= weak spot? it depends on application.

he is trying to be ironic

Shit, i'm driving potong. My car parts should fall off anytime now. Wait, no wonder this brand called potong. It's indeed potong car :angrybird:

HAHAHAHAHAHA

angrybird...

HAHAHAAHAHAHAH

kantoi big time!!!!

got ppl at kopitiam never read preve spec and compare preve with fiesta, i lol at malaysian intelligent now.

This post has been edited by ben3003: Apr 15 2012, 08:57 AM

I don't think anyone can judge structural integrity by welding without taking in the whole sum of things. For example the Evolution, Mitsubishi's top end has its roof joined by just plastic screws, stamps and holders, not even welds, because it is near impossible to weld aluminium to the main steel pillars. Doesn't make it an unsafe car.

Welds also can be stronger than stamping depending on the way they're welded. If you go for an interior + long fillet, the joint can take even more energy than a normally cast or stamped joint. It all depends on the design.

TL;DR : TS is a moron.

Mana gambar wei? Tok Kok only u. No kok maybe also

TS will call u an even bigger moron



True story bro

TS gone already after he found out his IQ is negative there is no wrong doing welding in engineering POV.. casting is not owes the best option.. duh.. if welding joint integrity is good enuf, it is same as 1 piece. As owes, u don rely on the sheet of metal to take care of impact, it is more on the impact bar in the door..

I get what TS is trying to say, he mean that the Preve welding joint do not welded properly until you can see tiny hole , which in welding field, when sending for x-ray check, those welding must be rejected, Proton can accept this kind of welding and call it as a global car. I think to be fair, we should go to Proton showroom to look at it ourself, rather than keep bashing TS when he is only trying to tell us something isn't right for the new model Proton, we can see the Inspira photo, those welding is the right one, won't have so call tiny hole. Any car, no matter it is from BMW, Mercedes..., there must some parts of welding joint for the car doors, just how they going to weld the joint, this is the matter most.

This post has been edited by feelfree: Apr 15 2012, 09:25 AM

LOL..epic fail thread..

u see the 1st thread what he is saying, he say he expect NO welding joints, period.

My 308T side panels are even better, made of plastic!!

He never meant that.

nope.. he was directly comparing Preve door with BLM & Persona. Meaning he was comparing the different door assembly type.
Saga + Persona got no welding line because its a 1 piece door panel. Meanwhile Preve & also the WAJA uses Door Lower + Door Sash assembly type.

Slightly off topic, does anyone know if it's possible to get preve's workshop manual?

eh no need the preve, my waja also home to cockroach and ants.