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 Proton Preve is not a global car but cut cost car, You must read this before you buy Preve

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post Apr 15 2012, 03:17 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Apr 15 2012, 02:38 AM)
cakap banyak tapi takde gambar sudah fail teramat besar.

an empty can makes the loudest noise.
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hope proton car no more like milo can
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post Apr 15 2012, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 15 2012, 03:16 AM)


Just for your info, the Waja had the stiffest chassis in proton's line of products, more than a volvo S40. The preve chassis is specced to be even stiffer than the waja.
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I hope so... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Apr 15 2012, 03:23 AM)
I hope so...  biggrin.gif
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hope is for ppl that duno how to read spec sheet, fact is for those who do.
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post Apr 15 2012, 04:08 AM

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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Apr 15 2012, 03:16 AM)
This is the reason why Australian can get 6 air bags;
while Malaysian can get only maximum 4 air bags....

Because Malaysian are not demanding for high quality products...
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Don't just blame Proton. 4 airbag for RM72k car price in Malaysia is too good already.
Why you not blame people that still support empty car like Vios J.
Many international car manufacturer not bother to put much safety features on their car because many Malaysian think it was not necessary. They rather take high profit margin rather than reduce their profit by putting unnecessary stuff like airbag.
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post Apr 15 2012, 04:08 AM

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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Apr 15 2012, 02:59 AM)
Very simple mah...

If this welding joint is acceptable for you, then this Preve is ok for you loh...

But I am a bit worried small cockroach can go in to build their house there..


Added on April 15, 2012, 3:01 am

Please go to check Persona or new Saga first, then you will know the difference...
you will know which one you prefer..
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Which hole? there are holes to flow out excess rainwater and debris from the window. Btw, if i'm not mistaken, the panels are pressed. That's why they're welded together.
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post Apr 15 2012, 04:18 AM

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So.... In order to be acceptable, all car bodies should be cast iron. No welding joints, no bolted parts whatsoever, no hinges, no bends etc.. Because having any of those will just make the entire structural integrity shit. Amirite?

Go learn some f***ing physics.
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QUOTE(kelvinftg @ Apr 15 2012, 04:18 AM)
So.... In order to be acceptable, all car bodies should be cast iron. No welding joints, no bolted parts whatsoever, no hinges, no bends etc.. Because having any of those will just make the entire structural integrity shit. Amirite?

Go learn some f***ing physics.
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because car doesnt run on physic... it is made from hopes, dreams and magic, and power by smiles and babies laughter...

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post Apr 15 2012, 04:42 AM

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QUOTE(wordtalks @ Apr 15 2012, 03:10 AM)
oh god, its you again. BAN PROTON!!! ANTI PROTON!!! RAKYAT SUFFER ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
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@DiamondBar: Toyota is a much bigger offender. And so is Honda etc.

In a making off video for the new BMW F30 I think I could see very clearly visible welding points. They were later hidden, but they are still there.

Btw., the first ASEAN NCAP crash test is set to happen on the 24th of May. I wouldn't be too surprised if it is the Preve that is going to be tested. Hopefully they'll quickly test all cars on the market, although I don't think Toyota will be very happy about that.
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post Apr 15 2012, 06:19 AM

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Left side drive?? Where is this?? England? Or its just me?
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post Apr 15 2012, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(hafizola86 @ Apr 15 2012, 06:19 AM)
Left side drive?? Where is this?? England? Or its just me?
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China bro..
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post Apr 15 2012, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Apr 15 2012, 12:47 AM)
Yesterday I went to check out Proton Preve (Premium Spec) in a proton show room.

I got a shock when I noticed Proton Preve has welding joint on the
door side. Please see picture for the location of the welding joint.

A good quality and solid car should not have any cut cost and less safety
welding joint on the door side.

The car in the picture is Proton Gen2 (in China) that does not have any
welding joint on the door side.

The Proton SA and I checked Proton Persona and Proton Saga BLm in the show
room, we did not see any welding joint on Persona and Saga BLM.

My Wira has welding joint on the door side which I do not blame because
I understand Wira is an old model of proton car

Do you think proton Preve is a global car??    sweat.gif
I doubt it...   hmm.gif
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lol...those are safety features la..even the mitsubishi lancer has it. it is the part where 2 different metal strength are used.


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post Apr 15 2012, 06:49 AM

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simple thing to do.

Don't like it don't buy it, simple as that.
Don't like it don't judge it like you are the expert in this field.
Don't like it keep the bias to yourself, no technical proof no talks.
Don't like it go drop your feedback at Proton website, not spreading lies.
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post Apr 15 2012, 07:15 AM

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Ts you are just benefiting proton by showing that critics on the internet are fools

Just stop
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post Apr 15 2012, 07:19 AM

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halo brader. it's just different in manufacturing process.

there's two ways to make the doors.
either stamp the whole door outer/inner shape in one piece (BLM, Persona, Exora)..or
only the bottom lower part + door sash, which require welding during assembly (Waja, Preve)
go learn about manufacturing first la before trolling preve buyers with this ridiculous issue.

both of this assembly process doesn't affect safety. because the main point on safety is the impact bar inside the door panels. All this already done simulation la bro and also crash tested in Spain.

btw, the one cck125 highlight in the Inspira is called TWB panels.
Tailor Welded Blanking. Proton started using that method since BLM for the front and rear door panels. Also in Exora & Preve. This method is used worldwide to reduce process cost because less welding process required at assembly line. The panel already came welded by the steel supplier before stamping. Widely used in Honda, Toyota and also european car makers.



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post Apr 15 2012, 07:25 AM

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LOL LOL LOL. thanks from cheering up my morning TS! Love your sense of humour.
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post Apr 15 2012, 07:31 AM

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so based on TS superior knowledge on door welding points + safety...
i guess this car also not safe..because no door sash.... langgar terus mati.. doh.gif

maybe TS should organize demo to Mansuh welding point! laugh.gif
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post Apr 15 2012, 07:33 AM

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TS must be driving cars with an open door...
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post Apr 15 2012, 07:36 AM

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bodoh TS...
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post Apr 15 2012, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(mr_boonez @ Apr 15 2012, 07:19 AM)
halo brader. it's just different in manufacturing process.

there's two ways to make the doors.
either stamp the whole door outer/inner shape in one piece (BLM, Persona, Exora)..or
only the bottom lower part + door sash, which require welding during assembly (Waja, Preve)
go learn about manufacturing first la before trolling preve buyers with this ridiculous issue.

both of this assembly process doesn't affect safety. because the main point on safety is the impact bar inside the door panels. All this already done simulation la bro and also crash tested in Spain.

btw, the one cck125 highlight in the Inspira is called TWB panels.
Tailor Welded Blanking. Proton started using that method since BLM for the front and rear door panels. Also in Exora & Preve. This method is used worldwide to reduce process cost because less welding process required at assembly line. The panel already came welded by the steel supplier before stamping. Widely used in Honda, Toyota and also european car makers.
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Can close thread.
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post Apr 15 2012, 08:07 AM

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nice try justin bieber fan....

eh wait..

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

i really want to see the TS in person... some people are just plain-plain dumbfecks....

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