Realist?

I'm praying for them landing the FA Cup. Possible or ave to wait for many seasons?

obviously it is within our reach this season.

league is different story obviously

I think most of us here have not come to terms to what we really are at the moment. We are nothing more than midtable club, and has been so for the past few seasons.

Progression wise, we are more or less where Spurs was 4-5 seasons ago. We have a few good players and some promising prospects that needs time to mature. It's hard to say where we are at the moment, whether or not this new building block is going to work at all. At the moment, we have absolutely no football personality to show for other than the usual failures on the pitch.

I would give Kenny one more season to regroup and reorganize his team and see how he does from there. But if there's no hard evidence of progress by next January, then we need to really reassess our options and cut our losses. Because the reality is that other teams are not going to sit back and wait for us to improve, they will make their own progress and either we match their ambitions or we risk getting left behind further down the table.

puyol n co,
iniesta and xavi obviously didnt come good the first game their together rite?

so why expect henderson, adam and downing to right away plug n play?

Not in the first game no. But then again Iniesta and Xavi were part of a vastly superior team than ours and Downing and Adam has played enough games for us to make a sound critic. I think we will only set ourselves up for a major disappointment if we think the likes of Adam and Downing will suddenly transcend this team into an almighty Barca team. That transition depends on how well Kenny integrates Borrell's and Segura's hard work into the first team, which is why i feel Kenny deserves at least another season to oversee that transition.

I think the problem is with gerard
maybe kd didn't give him the permission to be more creative, to roam around the midfield
his playstyle was limited, sometimes I didn't even know what was his role in the midfield
they should use him as the main playmaker, and make suarez works with him
if kd cannot use him effectively, then there is no ucl/europa next season

That's all that we can ask, that we given him a chance and there's no one more deserving. I'd like to think what he's done for us in the past warrants it. I hope that everyone knows what he's done and how much he means to fans from those days.



Let's ignore the strides we've made off the pitch i.e. sponsorship deals, being debt free, planning a new stadium, etc. Here's how I would say we have progressed. Results have been poor especially on late so I'm not even going to go there. I just think that more often than not, we've tried to play positive football, something I personally like to see. Yes, maybe winning ugly e.g. Mourinho's Chelsea is more effective but having seen us play pass & move football back in the late 80s/early 90s, I welcome the fact that KK has tried to implement this again after some pretty negative football under Houllier, to a lesser extent Rafa, and of course Hodgson. We have to consider that the team is playing a different brand of football now and like I've reiterated many times, we've dominated teams most of the time although we haven't been getting positive results. This to me is an indication that we are moving in the right direction and I do hope that as time passes, we play good football consistently.



We did finish 2nd under Rafa once but towards the end of their Liverpool careers, we were out of the running by Christmas or they wouldn't have been 'released'. Alan Pardew is doing an amazing job at Newcastle but if you look at the other teams above us, how many have managers in the first year of their tenure? Not saying it's impossible for a rookie manager to win the league. Just saying that 3 years isn't a big ask.

We should hold high standards but it doesn't mean we cannot be realistic. We aspire to be back where we were but I don't expect it to happen over night. It's good to have big dreams and goals but we haven't won the league for over 2 decades. Do we really expect KK to lead us to the summit after just over a year at the helm, without the money the likes of Man City has? Even they haven't won the Premiership yet. We are a big club with a great history and a loyal fanbase. A lot of us who have been fans for over 2 decades want nothing more than to see us at the summit again. Given the impatience of younger fans these days, I shudder to think how many will choose to stay around if we don't win it for another 20 years? We are a fallen giant, we have been for over a decade and to expect any manager to turn this around in a year is ludicrous.

I said earlier that consideration must be given to the fact that we've trimmed our wage bill and brought in HG players. We are probably the most prepared of all teams when Financial FairPlay and the 6+5 rule comes into effect. Teams like Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and even Man Utd will struggle a little at least to adapt. Can you imagine City losing half their overpaid stars? Chelsea? We've already earmarked young English players who are breaking into the first team.

The damage done to LFC didn't just start with Roy Hodgson. It started back from when Souness was at the helm, making dodgy signings and selling players in their prime. It started back when Rick Parry mystifyingly sold us to sponsors on the cheap, and we failed to capitalise commercially from our large fanbase. Unless we inherit millions of pounds over night, we are going to continue to pay the price for those failings. Thankfully, under new leadership, we've finally begun to address those issues.

On a final note, I'm rather disappointed at people calling for KK's head. This is a man who stood side by side with supporters when they needed it the most, after Hillsborough. This is a man who loves Liverpool more than many of us ever will. He brought joy to us both as a player and as a manager and how do we repay him? By calling for him to step down in his first full season in charge without giving him time to right the wrong in the team? How many here love Stevie G with all their heart? If he manages us one day, will we forget the moments he's saved us from defeat? What about Carra? Will we forget the times he's paid for fans tickets to Istanbul, or the times he's put his body on the line for us e.g. When he pulled both groin muscles in Istanbul or refused to leave the pitch even after breaking his leg? Will it all mean nothing 10 years from now? I for one think KK deserves more respect than he's getting from some parties. He has the club's best interest at heart and even if he doesn't deliver, he doesn't deserves to be disrespected.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Mar 29 2012, 10:16 PM

i personally believe with time, and with milage our players play together, they will come good.
it is good for so many reasons.

potential is there. we wont be doing any good if we bash them everytime. We shud say tweet them and give moral support.
Even if everything fails, still we cant blame them. Football is such a game, its very hard to draw any conclusions...like ppl say, bola itu bulat.

Dude, for the UMPTEENTH time I hear forummers saying the Fabulous Four have potential, uncut diamond, young and hungry, Next Black Panther yada yada yada...Trust me, I want to believe it myself but my eyes don't. And I have yet to see neither glimpses of promises nor footwork of geniuses from them to support this notion. Not in a Liverpool jersey, at least.

Fans bashing under-performing players, no matter how you like it or not...is just the way of life in footballing world. If one can idolized a good player, why can't one vilified a player?

And NO, I refuse to believe that a player's ability to gel in a team is down to luck. The Fabulous four has to do a LOT MORE to convince myself and many other Pool fans that they deserve to be in this club.

For the record, I never call for KK to step down or to vacant the post, I'm merely rejecting the notion that we have made PROGRESS under KK. Like many others, I still believe KK have another season to restore our faith in him, and hopefully he will bring back the hungry beast in Liverpool when he first took over from Woy. That's what i want to see from him. Even if he got Liverpool relegated, he is still a Liverpool legend regardless.

If he persists on buying more British players for 20-30 mil, I'll start flipping tables. No joke.

Spend more time and read the article below. Soccernet normally produce trolling headlines, but Norman Hubbard gave us a gem today.

Liverpool's Flawed Four

I agree with that to a point. For the moment, I don't think we should jump the gun and start removing personnel needlessly. If one thing that the sacking of Rafa has thought us is that sacking for the sake of sacking can and has ruin us. I'm not willing to go down that road again and we should not repeat the same mistake - especially when that mistake is still fresh in memory. I think its wise to give Kenny at least another season to sort things out, but there will come a time where questions will need to be asked and answered. We either make history or be a forgotten history.

we've been proved wrong with Lucas. will we prove wrong again with Kenny dalglish? only time will tell

i dont think many of us are calling for KD's head. i just wish he dont be so stubborn and give chance to other players who are eager to play. drop those not performing. its only fair to the fans too. if he have the club first in mind, shouldnt he be doing what needed to be done rather than to keep his 'not winning' philosophy?

Today is kenny's turn.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...s-at-all-levels

Who will it be tomorrow?
Can't be adam,downing or enrique because they have already done it.I am guessing it's gonna be gerrard or carragher.

This post has been edited by Rotuham: Mar 30 2012, 12:02 AM

Lucas said this, in the tweet interview:


Lucas Leiva ‏ @LucasLeiva87 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@LFC @sam_jack_riley In England you dont use a Keeper to play 5 aside so my team is Alonso , Gerrard, Lucas, Suarez and Torres......

or he is just giving more play time for players he had bought?

we should aim for the future instead of instant success.

I don't get it... Is that his official twitter account? Too many fakes these days

1986-87. League 11th. FA Cup 4th Round. League Cup 3rd Round.
1987-88. League 2nd. FA Cup 5th Round. League Cup 5th Round.
1988-89. League 11th. FA Cup 6th Round. League Cup 3rd Round.
1989-90. League 13th. FA Cup Winners. League Cup 3rd Round.
1990-91. League 6th. FA Cup 5th Round. League Cup Runners-up. European Cup Winners' Cup Winners.
1991-92. League 2nd. FA Cup 4th Round. League Cup Winners. European Cup Winners' Cup 2nd Round.
1992-93. League Winners. FA Cup 5th Round. League Cup 3rd Round. Europe UEFA Cup 1st Round.

Above is Alex Ferguson's first seven seasons as manager of Manchester United. I'd like to think that many of us want Liverpool to be as dominant as him, don't we?

It took him FOUR seasons to win his first trophy and it took him SEVEN seasons to win his first league title. Some may and can ever argue that, maybe football was alot more 'easier' then. As it stands at the moment, we've cried for billionaire owners and we got one in October 2010 but unfortunately for them, Liverpool have got to compete with Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur in terms of finance and attracting player power.

Not to mention, it took Man City about 3/4 seasons to even qualify for a Champions League competition and 33 years to win their first trophy. Regarding Chelsea's back to back titles, I've already mentioned it in the past.

On Rafa and Houlier. Take a good look. The club was in a low point back when Graeme Souness was in charge. Before 2010, that remained to be the worst part of Liverpool's illustrious history. We fell into a similar situation under Woy Hodgson. Guess what? It took Evans (one League Cup) from 1994-1998, Evans-Houlier (trophyless) part of 1998, Gerard Houlier (one FA Cup, one UEFA cup, two League Cups) from 1998 to 2004 to rebuild the team. When Rafa Benitez came, the foundation was there in terms of the backbones of the club and owner's position. That is why we were still comparable to United, Arsenal and Chelsea. It took years after Souness' departure to rebuild the club back from being broken and Rafa was doing a good job, winning our 5th European Cup, an FA Cup and made us the number team in Europe. It was going well until H and G's damages finally took its toll in 2010 and when Roy Hodgson replaced him (that was one sonnaferbish decision), we went back so many steps.

Kenny has won his first trophy as manager in the Carling Cup 2012. He's brought us into a semi-final of the FA Cup, with a chance that we can win that one. He also won the double as a player-manager back in 1985/1986.

Kenny Dalglish had to take a club from ZERO confidence, morale, destroyed by Woy Hodgson and future of the club THIS close to administration under the ill-fated guidance of Dumb and Dumber. It was never going to be an easy task and even Rafa Benitez could not do anything. I love Rafa but in his last season, I felt he lost the backing of some of the more senior players of the squad and IMO, alot of fingers can be pointed towards certain players.

Kenny Dalglish, IMO, was the only man who could turn things around. Being a Liverpool legend and that no one understands th club more than he does at the moment, he's the man every player probably looked up to and by right, should.

The transition and process starts within the team, the owner and the fans. Everyone has to fight for the same cause. Then comes the investments and then comes the performances, the results and finally the future. Yeah, the investments have not worked out but Kenny Dalglish has to be given a chance to redeem himself, or at least, a chance to turn it around. For anyone who thought winning a league title in his first full season is a realistc target .. No. I agree that Champions Leauge was a priority but we can't get it, so move on, support the club and root for what is left, i.e. FA Cup.

Winning one trophy (I'll be even happier if we win two) is a start. I would love to be in the Champions League but at this stage, I don't mind a trophy or two over it. I'm not saying we forgo the Champions League spot every season and win the cups but we're not getting Champions League this season. I understand its importance but it is not the end of the world to be out of it.

Granted the league form is a disaster and no one disputes that but to call this an unsuccessful season isn't right as well. As long as Liverpool win a trophy, it's success. If finishing fourth but not win anything is an achievement or is to be considered success, well, f*** me, I don't know what of fans Liverpool's got.

Being out of the Champions League is indeed a disaster but at this stage last season, we don't have another League Cup in our cabinet, we were not in the FA Cup semi-finals (heck we were out of it in January) and we did not qualify for Europe. Even so, finishing top four does not mean we've done enough. We still need to play in the qualifying rounds and truth to be told, it only matters when you win it. We could easily also finish 3rd in the group and play Europa League next season so it is as bad as not finishing fourth.

A football club needs stability, in terms of manager's positions, owners and players. If we're going to keep changing managers, we won't be moving forward because we'll be back to the same stage every single time. Imagine if Man United had sacked Alex Ferguson when he went trophyless for his first three years ... they probably won't have 19 league titles to brag about and probably wouldn't have won another two European Cups. Too many fans nowadays wanting instant success. Think about it, in times like these, it's what being a football fan of a club, is all about.

Rome wasn't built in a day. I agree we were Rome before but we never remained as Rome since Kenny stepped down on that dreadful day in February 1991. If Manchester United took around more than 25 years to win their first title (1992/1993) and last title (1966/1967), our turn is only around the corner. While we may equal or surpass that lame record, it is worth remembering we also won alot of other trophies in the 20 years+ we've gone titleless.

I'd avoid media as well because most of the time, they just want a story and not everything is always true. Potentially, also possible that certain 'fans' come up with agendas. If we keep believing what we read, we don't need to be living in this life. There's a whole lot bigger picture than just believing what we read.

This post has been edited by Adryan: Mar 30 2012, 07:00 AM

taken from the star

so he expect KK to win EPL title in his 1st full season??..a cup in his 1st season as a manager is good enough for me..top 4 is a bonus!

even Insua can scored for Sporting, haiz Oh Carroll