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Don't hold your breath man. But if we lose the next game against Newcastle, I'd say the it's getting pretty high, the chances.... Just remember, King Kenny wasn't exactly Henry's first choice as the manager and say all you like but after investing more than 100 million on the club, I would expect he expected something better. Sure he didn't expect 1st place in the first year but we're at 7th place, 8 points behind Newcastle, and 2 points off Sunderland and our arch rival, Everton...

And you guys should check out the comments on LFC official facebook page. Everyone's calling for KK's head now...

Even I would like quality players straightaway but come on now, it's Kenny's first season so he has to get players for the near future in terms of fulfilling the homegrown quota and bringing in potential.

And honestly, Carroll and Henderson have not done much wrong. Overpaid, yes. Not enough goals, yes but they are just not contributing enough as of now but certainly nowhere near dreadful as Adam or Poulsen in the past.

You can't blame Kenny Dalglish when Carroll misses a penalty .. when Suarez decides to head the ball to Friedel's hands .. when Suarez decides to kick a low lame shot to the keeper in the early minutes of the game or when Enrique decides to sleep instead of defend, can you?

Yes, I agree that the problem has happened too many times over the past year and you know why? It's because there's so much instability in the club. Houlier had his fair share of flops in Salif Diao, Bruno Cheyrou and El Hadji Diouf to name a few. Then Rafa Benitez took over and he was in the process of rebuilding. He had his flops in Mark Gonzalez, Andriy Voronin and Robbie Keane. But like I've said, everytime a new manager comes in, they need time to build their squad. Then he gets fired and Woy Hodgson comes in to further the damage with flops like Paul Konchesky, Christian Poulsen and Joe Cole. Kenny, once again, need to rebuild the team and yes, maybe he has signed players who aren't good enough but I've seen enough of him and know enough about him to know that he can turn things around. Also let's not forget Rafa and Woy worked under two stupid clowns which in away, failure to give funds have led to the departures of Alonso, Mascherano and dare I say it, Torres.

We are not going to get anywhere if we keep switching managers every season. If Kenny is fired and another manager comes in, he'll want to sign players from where he knows most and then this process will keep going on unless stability is achieved in terms of manager's positions. The reason why Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson hardly get transfers wrong in the last many years is because they both have been in charge for 27 and 16 years respectively and they've probably made their errors at the beginning, only to achieve stability and trust and therefore only needed to add one or two players in comparison to the times we've changed many managers who needed to sign four at least and get rid of alot more.

I agree the British policy has not worked out but let's give Kenny the summer at least so see his next move. If he feels he isn't the man to take Liverpool forward, he'll step down because he feels no different from any of us do and in fact, he may feel even worse than what we feel because he knows he has the responsibility to us.

FSG themselves have not exactly put in alot of money to be honest. Yeah, 50 million is a decent amount but it's no where near what other teams can spend and have spent in the past. Let's not forget that Suarez and Carroll were bought from the money received from Torres so FSG did not exactly fund their purchases.

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From Paul Tomkins.

Andy Carroll

As noted by people on Twitter, Liverpool’s results in the last seven Carroll starts (after Bolton): WWDWDWW; but the last seven without Carroll starting (after Oldham): DDLLLLL. That’s quite some contrast.

TTT’s senior data analyst Dan Kennett posted some great stats on the eve of the Wigan game in the site’s comments section (which is worth the subscription fee on its own!).

(Even yesterday’s game, though not included, saw Liverpool do better with him on the pitch – ‘drawing’ 1-1 – than the 1-0 ‘defeat’ of the first half.)

Liverpool (All Comps): P40 Win%=50, Points Per Game = 1.78

Carroll starts: P22 W13 D5 L4, Win%=59, Points Per Game = 2.00
Carroll doesn’t start: P18 W7 D6 L5, Win%=39, Points Per Game = 1.50

Food for thought.

This post has been edited by Adryan: Mar 27 2012, 07:48 PM

True but you're just counting from the players alone. not the OVERALL spending on the club, Scouts, salaries, renovations, advertisements, etc... It's a lot more than that...


It is true that we get better scores when Carroll plays, but he hasn't been playing that well either. I think we can all agree the main reason why Liverpool does better when Carroll plays is because he gets the attention of the defenders and the keeper being the BIG guy on the field. That leaves rooms for Suarez/Kuyt/Gerrard to attack with less pressure. If we put say like Crouch instead of Carroll on the field, I think the result will be the same. All-in-all, Carroll needs to score MORE!!



I understand the Kopites wants Kenny because of his history with us. But can you honestly say that you'll back him as the club manager because he's a club legend? The answer would probably be yes but a manager needs to be in place based on reasons of the head not the heart. These past weeks have been hard for the club with straight losses but it's been only Kenny making excuses for the poor form and I don't see any players coming up saying their support for the King.. IMO, this situation we're in is just too personal for Liverpool fans. It is (was) one of the dangers when you employ someone with so much history to be the manager.

This post has been edited by bitebug: Mar 27 2012, 08:03 PM

madness, absolute madness.

I say it again, I was absolutely against rafa sacking then & as we should not entertain the calls for KD's sacking. It's so wrong. we stumble yes, but sacking is going 10 steps backwards.

As in tomkins scribe, Woy's boot was totally spot on. Anything else was not. Those calling for KD's head is no different from the devils themselves.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Mar 27 2012, 08:02 PM

Ummmm, you do realize that FSG bought Liverpool? And Torres is part of Liverpool's assets? So yea, FSG DID fund the purchase. It's very cute how you can see past this flaw.

for me, we should gv king 1 more season with the club. need time man to handle to club and make a very good team in 1 and half season.

like my mom once said to me " orang yang berjaya semua pernah gagal walaupun sekali"

ynwa guys

agreed with you labah2sejuk.

ever thot of buying out redknapp's contract in spurs and manage u lot?? he's done a significantly better job in rescuing spurs from relegation into a team challenging for UCL now. and he's got an eye for the players that he want compare to wat ur KK has signed thus far tho.

Honestly I don't see any problem with KD summer transfer coz I still think that Carroll and Henderson is still young and might turn out to be like Lucas in few years time. As for Downing, his last season was so damn good with lots of goals and assist but not sure why his form dipped after transfer to Liverpool. However his recently performance is getting better and might indicate that his form is coming back.

However, lot of time his selection of starting eleven of KD seem to be odd. He seem to like to select those player who is out of form (e.g. Adam, Carragher, Downing (during early season)) and not select those player who is on form (e.g. Maxi, Carroll, Bellamy).

KD tactic also is not working at all. I don't understand why every time we attack, our striker seem so be isolated by our midfield. The whole team was like hoping for our striker to be god-like mode and beat 3-4 defender and score a goal. I am not sure why our midfield are afraid to get into penalty box (except Gerrard). I am not sure whether is this is the order from KD or our midfield are lazy.

Nevertheless, I think that KD deserve another season as i believe that we had improved under him compare to last season. I think that if we keep on changing our manager, we will be heading nowhere like Chelsea.

I for one , am 50:50 on whether KD should leave or stay. The inner side of me, have two me fighting over each other .

In no doubt at all, our club is moving forward. Winning the league cup and progressing to the semi final of FA Cup with possibility of lifting another trophy surely means we are heading in the right direction. This is because just a year ago, we were so close to relegation zone that most of us cant believe it. The epic scene of Woy rubbing his face still vividly in mind. So much has changed.I don't really expect us getting 4th place immediately especially with the league getting harder and harder each year. We have to be realistic too, right? However, it only takes another second for one to realize that after all the money spent, it's only wise that we are somewhere around 5 than 8th.

Some of us keep repeating that the likes of Carrol, Adam and co are just to fill the void left behind by Torres and Meireles. I fully understand that but what I m trying to point out is that the gaffer made the choice to sign them. Let's not forget, he is also the one telling the world, the squad is good enough to compete and need no January signings. Turned out to be, our form recently was the worst in the last 12months or so. We clearly need someone come in but he refused to do so...We paid the price....

At times, I questioned his judgment. I cant understand the point of dropping Kuyt when he starts scoring like 2 goals in 3 games. I also cant understand the need of starting Henderson in most matches when he was clearly looked off pace and out of form. And someone please explain to me, why Carrol was dropped to bench just when he finally look like regaining his form of old? And maxi cant even make bench after that brilliant understanding and partnership build with Kuyt and Suarez. Again, more and more questions pop out....

If anyone understand this, please kindly explain to me.

Despite all this, some part of me still think that KD deserves to get another season. Not because he is the king or legend of our club, it's because we are definitely moving forward but perhaps in a wrong direction. (Cup > CL? seriously?)

I do agree a lot with question question and question - and i need answers! The sense of deja vu been with lingering for a very long time, like: why are we playing 1 striker at home, and and 2 strikers away?? (Carling Cup).....and why Carroll didnt play when he is afterall a 30mill player...i think the team should be built around this man...if put it simply: @ 30 million is hefty, and at 30 million, this guy must have certain quality, and why arent we building our team around such substantial investment?? really knock the sense out of me....granted he was injured for some time...but he is back and back for some time...perhaps suarez should be designate free role, or play in between the lines - like how Rafa once claimed Voronin to possess such quality, but the way i see things, Suarez knows how to work his way around.. he can create chance for carroll and contribute some goals as well...i think we all know the SG will not be scoring as freely as before,,,as such goals must come from somewhere.... and personally, if there is 1 person or 2 to get the sack - its Steve Clark and Comolli.. they are afterall credited with signings and credited with tactical contribution....if its not working then they are the ones you look for!!! this is not nostalgia whatsoever about KK, but some decisions are obviously dubious....like how can anyone not see downing not effective when move to the right, to accomodate Bellamy on the left...i mean WTF, most of the time i see Bellamy trying to cut in to use his right and downing need to cut in to use his left...not to mention whenever they cut -in, the opposition's full back can already anticipate cross and able to cut them out, which is the reason why we dont see many great crosses being put in for Carroll...in fact most crosses are coming from our fullbacks...what is happening..our play is so predictable, unless we start to involve carroll more, I dont see us going great guns towards the finishing line...

be patient guys. live the anthem.

we are in a storm now.
we shud hodl our heads up high.
dont be afraid of the dark.

we work. KD knows that. He is the last guy that will let the club down. Lets help him by giving him the trust. I know I am.

Every defeat and goal conceded is painful. But we go on. we walk on.

I said 'not exactly funded the purchases' because the 58 million spent on Carroll and Torres basically came from the sale of Torres and Babel. Not exactly FSG throwing their money like they did for Adam, Downing, Coates and Enrique.

I agree. Even I can't understand but in the past, I would argue that we play much better football WITHOUT Carroll in the side because his style doesn't exactly fit the way Kenny wants us to play but playing good football isn't anything without the points, which we have collected WITH Carroll in the side.

I get where you are coming from and yes, Kenny is not immune to criticism and I don't understand it as well but it's not the first time a Liverpool manager has done this. Rafa time and time again left out players like Benayoun and stuff and it's just unexplainable. Kinda like, makes me feel, regardless who is in charge, they will do the same!!!

And I have to disagree with the last part.

I don't think Kenny wanted cups over a champions league spot. Kenny, being Kenny, I'm sure he wanted us to do well in all competitions but unfortunately for him, the league season is a disaster and the best we can do at the moment is try to win another cup because honestly, the race for fourth for us ended a longgggg time ago.

Everton it is then for Fa Cup

merseyside derby part III

oh..thanks God
Adam out for rest of the season will give more chance for our youngster to shine and gain experience
for this time being, forget the UCL spot
just concentrate on the FA Cup and the remaining league games

We already have a ticket to Europa ain't it?
So having another ticket to Europa wouldn't matter, but challenging for the trophy does.

If by next season we can challenge for the Europa Cup champions, we'll also be allowed to fight against the winner of the UEFA Champions League Champion, in a showdown for UEFA Super Cup.

That for me is an incentive enough to have Liverpool to find a firm footing on the Europa League. That is a must.

I'm expecting KD giving more playing time for Shelvey & Sterling in the league, while resting some key players before the FA Cup semi in 2 weeks time.

I would be grateful if we can manage 2 draws vs Newcastle & Aston Villa & a win vs Blackburn, to gain back some momentum & confidence before taking on Everton in Wembley.

I advocate patience, yes. It does get to me when fans change their tune on a weekly basis. The saying that Rome wasn't built in a day seems lost on many. Will King Kenny ultimately turn us into a title winning side? It remains to be seen but a season and a half is hardly a fair amount of time given that we aren't attracting the top names in football and even if we do, we can't afford their wages. He has a 3 year contract and I think we owe it to him to see it through. Rafa and Houllier were in longer contracts and if we can afford them some patience, can we not afford the same to a man who is a living legend at the club? Yes KK has spent over $100 million pounds but his net outlay is just above $40 million. Why is this important? Simply because we didn't just add players to the squad, we lost two influential ones in the process. He's also had to clear out deadwood like Konchesky and Poulsen.

I stress again that both the owners and KK have advocated patience in that rebuilding process isn't going to happen overnight. Carroll and Henderson are seen as investments for the future and I suspect we'll see more young players being signed and ageing ones like Carra, Kuyt, Maxi, Stevie and Bellamy being phased out within the next 2-3 seasons. KK has already shown his desire to unearth young talent by playing the likes of of Flanagan and Robinson when we had an injury crisis in defence last season, instead of signing over on loan, something some managers may have opted to do. Jay Spearing and Martin Kelly have also racked up quite a lot of playing time under him. We used to ask why we never used our youngsters and when we do, fans now ask why we don't start Bellamy, Maxi and Kuyt every game? Which is it now? Young players need playing time. KK had said at the beginning of the season that we aren't going to win the title this season and if we challenge, it will be a bonus, yet fans expect instant results. So whose fault is it when we can't manage our own expectations?

I find it a little unfair that the blame lies solely on the shoulders of KK. It was NESV who decided to invest in young British talent was it not? It was NESV who imposed the new wage bill. This is of course in anticipation of Financial Fairplay and the 6+5 rule. Steve Clarke is also just as much to blame for tactics if the naysayers want to have a go. KK has had to work within certain constraints, unlike say Man City who have heaps of money to spend. Man City may win the league but they can just as easily end up with squadoosh this season while we have won our first cup in 6 seasons and may add another to that.

On a personal note, I have nothing but total respect for KK and I like him as a man. When we signed Hodgson I was baffled and after a few interviews where he even contrived to criticise the fans, I hated him with passion and wanted nothing more than for him to go. I'm completely behind KK not because of blind faith, but because he's been there, done it, loves the club, and I think he deserves to serve out his tenure before we judge him. If we listened to fans here, we would have had 20 managers since we last won the title.