More expensive isn't always better.

i dont like T and H, drove T before and never like it.

sorry its only my personal comparison for my new ride. wanted to get sportage but no longer can afford it.

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Added on March 31, 2012, 6:35 pmthats what i explained to them. those born in 80s still got this perception that T n H is better.
but still i believe this preve is value for money. i can save the top up for investment.

This post has been edited by stargate8: Mar 31 2012, 06:35 PM

Guys, quick question:

Are the showrooms open on Sunday? Wanna go book mine, but really don't have time liao

To be more specific, is the showroom in Ampang open on Sunday?

still got Kia forte.

campro cps 125 hp 6.5k rpm 150nm 4.5k rpm, for at, powerloss on transmission 20%, manual, powerloss on trnasmission 12%

campro iafm+ 108hp 5750 rpm, 150nm 4krpm, for cvt, powerloss on transmission 6%, manual, powerloss on transmission 5%.

Count it urself how much hp n torque loss.

Normally, for any car, rule of thumb they need 80bhp pertonne minimum,higher the better. Thats why exora dont use iafm+ coz not enough hp even torque is better coz pulling power is enough, but will suffer at high speed. But for p3, it is sufficient enough. Of course, not as powerful as flx se, but for cvt is minimal coz infinite ratio. Only manual will suffer if they introduce flx se manual coz flx se manual can do around 10 scnd. P3, 12 scnd, but cvt flx se, 12 scnd, p3 cvt, 12.5 scnd, not much diff.

Thats why they choose cvt over conv at, not only for better fc, but easier for the engine to generate power coz the engine power is at ur right foot, always optimum according to the input. Example, need full torque, press pedal at 4k rpm from static, full torque is available all the way without any decrease of torque. While in at, even when u press 4k rpm on 1st gear, the next gear, the torque is reduce due to shifting n rev drop, n need to rise again to 4k rpm to achieve the full torque, it will happened,all the time, if have 6 speed, 6 times torque decrease n increase. If 4 speed, 4 times.

Not comparing with elantra pwrtrain. Just cps n iafm+.

ya i checked kia forte 2.0 sx, look good, but i wonder why their official didnt update the sport edition, the one comes with touch screen HU and bodykit.

what people think about flx 1.3 n flx se? Is it underpower badly? If u r ok with flx 1.3 n think flx 1.6 is better, then, preve n/a is ok. If not ok, just opt for cfe

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Added on March 31, 2012, 6:49 pmah forget to mentioned, why compare to flx 1.3 n flx se, coz preve iafm+ 1.6 sprint better than flx 1.3 n not that far from flx se.

This post has been edited by mat79: Mar 31 2012, 06:49 PM

The bolded part suprised me

If the CVT power loss is so little, then the IAFM+ variant whp may well be on par with the Elantra 1.6 Gamma. Plus the CVT have the advantage of efficient power delivery

Another nice one, mat79.

so lesser power loss = better FC?

elantra 1.8 power output is not 201hp... it is 148hp... but that is nu engine... i dont know what is inside the malaysian version elantra... refer here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Nu_engine

You can book, but cannot view car yet.

somebody mentioned elantra 1.8 has 201hp? Is it true? As i know, it is 150hp n 178nm@4700 rpm.

Did i miss anything?

why dont yall discuss about Lamborghini Aventador powertrain here ?

dont like to compare too much with other makes, just comparing with cps coz need to clear why cps is not the choosen one due to many reason, not only eu emission, but also due to other reasons.

But i have to say that, if u r used to 1.8@2.0 cars, then iafm+ feel underpower. But for 1.6, it is sufficient. N i know somebody will compare it with b16 vtec engine :-)

B16B is just WOW!!!

ah sorry, use the wrong converter. ya its 150ps = 147.95hp

Difference is that B16B cannot meet emission standard of current days.

yup, b16b just wow, but then, it has to be discontinued.
But they have the new 1.6 soch i-vtec(1.5 ivtec in city seems a bit better in term of output perdisplacement, but, the city, eu4, the new soch, eu5.)
they also has the new 2.0 soch i vtec for civic.

powerloss at cvt 6%? are you sure? how do u even determine that? as u said, the cvt is variable and it'll never get an accurate reading

how about inspira's cvt?

he is an engineer working for proton lol