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hahli9
post Apr 3 2012, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 11:31 AM)
There is a closure, the "reset" thingy that i mentioned before. The problem is the players do not accept it. So now we are playing a players driven story game?

Like said, respect the makers decision and appreciate it.
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...That was no closure. If you consider that closure then I'm not sure what game you played lol. What happened to all the races in the end? With the Mass Relays gone, how did galactic civilisation fare? What happened to the Quarians? After all without the Mass Relays, all of their fleet is stuck in front of the Earth, it would take many, many generations to reach back to their homeworld.

There was no closure at all. The whole universe reset? Really? Is that what happened? If so, then I'd like to see how it turned out. How are the races now? Why the hell does EDI who already is a synthetic, have the synthetic skin thing that's present on organics if you choose the Synthesis option?

http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/2...-mass-effect-3/
This guy explained it best. It was not a closure, it opened up more questions than it closed, if it even closed any.
Respecting the maker's decision and appreciating it is rubbish. You certainly as hell would not appreciate shit music or shit art. If some guy came on stage and started playing music that's shit, would you respect his decision and appreciate the music that you so undeniably believe is shit? Look, they are selling a game, they are not making it to please themselves, they are making it to please an audience. If your audience thinks it is shit, then it is shit. Period.
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 11:51 AM)
...That was no closure. If you consider that closure then I'm not sure what game you played lol. What happened to all the races in the end? With the Mass Relays gone, how did galactic civilisation fare? What happened to the Quarians? After all without the Mass Relays, all of their fleet is stuck in front of the Earth, it would take many, many generations to reach back to their homeworld.

There was no closure at all. The whole universe reset? Really? Is that what happened? If so, then I'd like to see how it turned out. How are the races now? Why the hell does EDI who already is a synthetic, have the synthetic skin thing that's present on organics if you choose the Synthesis option?

http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/2...-mass-effect-3/
This guy explained it best. It was not a closure, it opened up more questions than it closed, if it even closed any.
Respecting the maker's decision and appreciating it is rubbish. You certainly as hell would not appreciate shit music or shit art. If some guy came on stage and started playing music that's shit, would you respect his decision and appreciate the music that you so undeniably believe is shit? Look, they are selling a game, they are not making it to please themselves, they are making it to please an audience. If your audience thinks it is shit, then it is shit. Period.
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The blast of all mass relays literally "wipe out" all races aka the whole galaxy, that's why I'm saying its a "reset" .

EDI represents synthetic while Joker represents organics, and you cant expect to synthesis both of them in 5 minutes, right?

I judge ME as a whole game, not only looking at the ending and certainly its one of the better games that i had played so far. Again, i prefer the makers original idea than any "fan services" that they put up just to "pleases" the fans base.
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:16 PM)
The blast of all mass relays literally "wipe out" all races aka the whole galaxy, that's why I'm saying its a "reset" .

EDI represents synthetic while Joker represents organics, and you cant expect to synthesis both of them in 5 minutes, right?

I judge ME as a whole game, not only looking at the ending and certainly its one of the better games that i had played so far. Again, i prefer the makers original idea than any "fan services" that they put up just to "pleases" the fans base.
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If you're talking about fan service, there's already plenty of it in this game. tongue.gif
Really? So you united the whole bloody galaxy just to wipe it out at the end? WHOOP-DE-DO! WOW!
I, the Catalyst, created the Reapers to annihilate advanced organics before advanced organics creates synthetics so advanced they wipe out all organics. But obviously since you're here this won't work any more, therefore, I will let you... DESTROY ALL THE RACES YOURSELF! OH MY GOD SHEPARD YOU ARE BLOODY BRILLIANT. Also, your "wipe out" makes no sense. If it was a total wipe out, then why are the Humans and whoever came out of your ship still alive? Please. If anything, a total galaxy wipe out would destroy everything. Like the big bang all over again. Also, yes, I do in fact, expect them to synthesise in 5 minutes because that's what the Catalyst was supposed to bloody do. It was supposed to send out a chain reaction of events that changed everything effectively immediately. It was not an over time effect otherwise the Reapers would destroy everything anyway. But that's not the point, and that was not what I was getting at. I never expected them to do a Dragon Ball fusion. I'm just wondering why in the Synthesis ending, Joker got that synthetic look but EDI doesn't look any more organic. Makes no sense. Yet more proof to add to the pile of BioWare rushed this ending out.

Be it as it may, my experience of Mass Effect is brilliant but in my memories, it will be the game that had the shit ending.

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post Apr 3 2012, 12:49 PM

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That's why you see the scene where Normandy is escaping the blast.

As for EDI, maybe she can start pour out juices from her body? tongue.gif You cannot say she remains as synthetic just because her exterior didn't change much. Eg Reapers are synthesis beings yet they have machine body smile.gif

The wipe out ends the Reaper cycle and provides a zero start for the synthesis group (Joker and Co).
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:49 PM)
That's why you see the scene where Normandy is escaping the blast.

As for EDI, maybe she can start pour out juices from her body?  tongue.gif You cannot say she remains as synthetic just because her exterior didn't change much. Eg Reapers are synthesis beings yet they have machine body smile.gif

The wipe out ends the Reaper cycle and provides a zero start for the synthesis group (Joker and Co).
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They didn't escape the blast. You quite obviously see the blast catch up to them at the end. doh.gif
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 12:54 PM)
They didn't escape the blast. You quite obviously see the blast catch up to them at the end.  doh.gif
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Err, the crash landed scene?
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 11:51 AM)
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 12:16 PM)
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Hey thanks for the link Hahli ^^
Hmm. I think the fan base is now split into a couple of groups -
  • Fans who take the ending at face value and absolutely abhor it
  • Fans who take the ending at face value and are actually happy with it
  • Indoctrination Theory subscribers
  • others


I am a firm believer of Indoctrination Theory, so yeah.

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So here’s what I think happened. I think the writing team at Bioware originally had the indoctrination theory in mind, and the game designers were diligently creating all the subtle clues, preparing to pull of the most brilliant narrative effect in recent memory. Then they hit the wall…the wall of a looming deadline and rapidly shrinking money pile. Mass Effect 3 had already been delayed by three months, and properly incorporating the Indoctrination Theory into the game would have resulted in another delay. So someone without a shred of artistic integrity saw the ending sequence of the indoctrination and said “why not just make this the ending?” so they whipped up a half-baked closing cinematic, slapped it on the end and called it a day.


[WARNING: The Prestige references ensue]
Ahah. But we haven't seen "The Prestige" yet. We have seen "The Pledge" (Mass Effect - your everyday ordinary RPG game), "The Turn" (Indoctrination Theory - take the ordinary something and make it do something extraordinary) but not "The Prestige" (that is why everyone's still baffled).

Quoted for reference -
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PAX Friday April 6th? brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif




Or maybe I'm just over-thinking things. Perhaps BioWare is not that awesome?
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:03 PM)
Err, the crash landed scene?
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Yeah, the blast caught up, hence crash. Otherwise there's no other reason they would crash amirite? ~_~
Unless you know, you thought Joker thought it would be a good idea to crash the Normandy on some planet in the middle of nowhere just because he felt like it.
And in the end the Synthesis option still makes the least sense. In Mass Effect, you helped the different races see past their differences and unite for a common cause. Then you go LOL LET'S MAKE EVERYONE THE SAME. HURHURHURHUR! Stupid.


QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 01:09 PM)
Hey thanks for the link Hahli ^^
Hmm. I think the fan base is now split into a couple of groups -

  • Fans who take the ending at face value and absolutely abhor it

  • Fans who take the ending at face value and are actually happy with it

  • Indoctrination Theory subscribers

  • others



I am a firm believer of Indoctrination Theory, so yeah.
[WARNING: The Prestige references ensue]
Ahah. But we haven't seen "The Prestige" yet. We have seen "The Pledge" (Mass Effect - your everyday ordinary RPG game), "The Turn" (Indoctrination Theory - take the ordinary something and make it do something extraordinary) but not "The Prestige" (that is why everyone's still baffled).

Quoted for reference -
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


PAX Friday April 6th?  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
Or maybe I'm just over-thinking things. Perhaps BioWare is not that awesome?
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Maybe we're overthinking things. Maybe we're not. But I really hope we are not. I really do.
But the sad part is, no one wins in the end.

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post Apr 3 2012, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:10 PM)
Yeah, the blast caught up, hence crash. Otherwise there's no other reason they would crash amirite? ~_~
Unless you know, you thought Joker thought it would be a good idea to crash the Normandy on some planet in the middle of nowhere just because he felt like it.
And in the end the Synthesis option still makes the least sense. In Mass Effect, you helped the different races see past their differences and unite for a common cause. Then you go LOL LET'S MAKE EVERYONE THE SAME. HURHURHURHUR! Stupid.
Maybe we're overthinking things. Maybe we're not. But I really hope we are not. I really do.
But the sad part is, no one wins in the end.
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Said many times, those choices you made are the paths towards the ending. They don't really affect the endings.
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:15 PM)
Said many times, those choices you made are the paths towards the ending.  They don't really affect the endings.
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...And that's the problem isn't it?
Also, they do affect the endings. They might not have major cinematic differences but they do affect the endings. I have no idea whether you've even played the game at this point and are just a massive troll.

If you choose to Destroy then no more synthetics, no more reapers. Only organics.
If you choose to Control then everything is as it was, except Shepard is now Lord High Executioner (+1 to those who get reference) of the Galaxy.
If you choose to Synthesise then you just... Went against all you've accomplished in Mass Effect lmfao.

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post Apr 3 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:10 PM)
Maybe we're overthinking things. Maybe we're not. But I really hope we are not. I really do.
But the sad part is, no one wins in the end.
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My crazy thought is Hudson intentionally cut out the Destroy ending (hence leaving players in the dark) just to incite all these reactions. They are uncharacteristically calm and that's quite suspicious.
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 01:18 PM)
My crazy thought is Hudson intentionally cut out the Destroy ending (hence leaving players in the dark) just to incite all these reactions. They are uncharacteristically calm and that's quite suspicious.
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Argh that's what I think too. They intentionally cut it out so that people would buy the DLC true end later. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Unless it's free. And they just needed the post-game release time to complete the true ending. In which case everyone would be happy and BioWare would retain it's reputation.

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post Apr 3 2012, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:23 PM)
Argh that's what I think too. They intentionally cut it out so that people would buy the DLC true end later.  (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Unless it's free. And they just needed the post-game release time to complete the true ending. In which case everyone would be happy and BioWare would retain it's reputation.
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I doubt they (BioWare) would charge for it. That would be prepostorous. Now EA on the other hand...
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:16 PM)
...And that's the problem isn't it?
Also, they do affect the endings. They might not have major cinematic differences but they do affect the endings. I have no idea whether you've even played the game at this point and are just a massive troll.

If you choose to Destroy then no more synthetics, no more reapers. Only organics.
If you choose to Control then everything is as it was, except Shepard is now Lord High Executioner (+1 to those who get reference) of the Galaxy.
If you choose to Synthesise then you just... Went against all you've accomplished in Mass Effect lmfao.
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For a while we are discussing the synthesis ending, right? How come suddenly out of it? sweat.gif

The IT does look interesting, although will feel kinda sad since all these while we are wandering in Shepard's mind laugh.gif
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:29 PM)
For a while we are discussing the synthesis ending, right? How come suddenly out of it? sweat.gif

The IT does look interesting, although will feel kinda sad since all these while we are wandering in Shepard's mind laugh.gif
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:29 PM)
For a while we are discussing the synthesis ending, right? How come suddenly out of it? sweat.gif

The IT does look interesting, although will feel kinda sad since all these while we are wandering in Shepard's mind laugh.gif
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Huh!? Then why suddenly talking about your choices don't affect the endings, as in plural?
Whatever! Join the Indoctrination Theory!

Now let us discuss the significance of the Mass Relays exploding in terms of Shepard's mind.

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post Apr 3 2012, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:39 PM)
Huh!? Then why suddenly talking about your choices don't affect the endings, as in plural?
Whatever! Join the Indoctrination Theory!

Now let us discuss the significance of the Mass Relays exploding in terms of Shepard's mind.
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I'm just saying they didn't play a major role since 3 endings are very much the same tongue.gif

I wish they could let us play as Reapers though, Harby is fun since he can jump around controlling tongue.gif
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post Apr 3 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(hahli9 @ Apr 3 2012, 01:39 PM)
Huh!? Then why suddenly talking about your choices don't affect the endings, as in plural?
Whatever! Join the Indoctrination Theory!

Now let us discuss the significance of the Mass Relays exploding in terms of Shepard's mind.
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QUOTE(Cyrus2k @ Apr 3 2012, 01:45 PM)
I'm just saying they didn't play a major role since 3 endings are very much the same tongue.gif

I wish they could let us play as Reapers though, Harby is fun since he can jump around controlling tongue.gif
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For me they're not even the endings actually laugh.gif.
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Apr 3 2012, 02:21 PM)
For me they're not even the endings actually laugh.gif.
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So, you're okay with EA selling you a game with no endings?

I am honestly curious.


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QUOTE(Grif @ Apr 3 2012, 02:35 PM)
So, you're okay with EA selling you a game with no endings?

I am honestly curious.
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As long as they release it later (for free). I'll keep my rage until then.

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