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intothefantasy
post Oct 19 2012, 10:14 AM

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ok so can i confirm my list here just incase any modification can be told here to prevent getting wrong stuff

raspberry pi
http://my.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspb...12mb/dp/2191863

micro usb power
http://my.element14.com/pro-signal/rpusb1-...1-8m/dp/2115733

SD card (samsung comes with debian)
http://my.element14.com/samsung/raspberry-...-4gb/dp/2113756

hdmi cable 2m
http://my.element14.com/pro-signal/rp007/l...d-2m/dp/2113609

black casing
http://my.element14.com/multicomp/mc-rp001...lack/dp/2113798


with the SD card comes with a debian OS...can i uninstall it and install other OS?

This post has been edited by intothefantasy: Oct 19 2012, 10:15 AM
skywardsword
post Oct 19 2012, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Oct 19 2012, 10:05 AM)
Quickstart guide at Raspberry pi foundation.
Check this list of verified gears which you may already have to save on buying additional stuff
If you already have a pc<with keyboard and mouse>. you can SSH into the pi to work on it.
so just a ethernet cable+ usb powered cable, + sd card
if you dont have access to ethernet port and only have wireless internet and feel generous, get wifi usb adapter... but in those case you need low powered ones or another usb hub to connect it and to connect any peripheral that draw more power then the "usual"<150mA>
IF using as a xbmc/multimedia player, you can even skip a dedicated remote controller as pi now have CEC support, which will allow a TV with HDMI 1.4(i think) to provide commands to the pi via the hdmi cable. So you contol you pi with your existing TV remote. simple.


Added on October 19, 2012, 10:12 am
what are you trying to do?
If just playing with xbmc/multimedia stuff. Just put a hook on your hd tv and hang the pi off the connected hdmi cable? Pi being so light will probably not tear your pi's pcb apart. Just find a cool spot, or find some plastic container-slice it open, photoframe stand, router stands, ect ect just prop it up.
no spare monitors, can use tv. or just ssh in. then dont even need mouse and keyboard.
I use this Putty ssh program

I use this putty ssh program - navigate to download urself
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if you need a graphic interface connection to your pi. Use ultraVNC.


step by step infor on setting up ultra VNC. you might be able to skip some since the pi's distro have been improved
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post Oct 19 2012, 10:16 AM

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i'm not familiar with unix command nor linux environment.. although i did before, i mostly forgotten..

ssh allows me to connect and directly see the debian gui ?

i do not have any network connection for this baby.

right now, im just wonderin what this baby can do with electronics.. or how to interface with basic electronics.
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post Oct 19 2012, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(unrealweapon @ Oct 19 2012, 09:03 AM)
anyone know how to use the pi to control leds and stuff via the GRIO ?
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You can start with controlling it via a web browser.
Google Search Result
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post Oct 19 2012, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Oct 19 2012, 10:14 AM)
ok so can i confirm my list here just incase any modification can be told here to prevent getting wrong stuff

raspberry pi
http://my.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspb...12mb/dp/2191863

micro usb power
http://my.element14.com/pro-signal/rpusb1-...1-8m/dp/2115733

SD card (samsung comes with debian)
http://my.element14.com/samsung/raspberry-...-4gb/dp/2113756

hdmi cable 2m
http://my.element14.com/pro-signal/rp007/l...d-2m/dp/2113609

black casing
http://my.element14.com/multicomp/mc-rp001...lack/dp/2113798
with the SD card comes with a debian OS...can i uninstall it and install other OS?
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hmmm, dont need to get the SD card from element14. You have sd card reader at home? Buy sandisk ultra mobile class 6 32gb microsd with adapter for +/-110shipped.
<SOS is garage sale--- if you donnu which vendor... i donnu how to endorse...find the ones with lots of trade and respond well loh,,,, just not the cheapest with 0post 0 history one lah>


Your hdtv already got hdmi cable mah... you really need to buy another? If on budget just skip it and SSH/ultra vnc into your pi and control it like a champ.




intothefantasy
post Oct 19 2012, 10:24 AM

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ermm i am ok with the extra hdmi cable since the price is low...but only the sd card cost abit...so this means i can buy any sd card brand outside? the 4gb looks quite small the size...perhaps i can source a bigger size in lowyat then...so the rest of the checklist is ok? the micro usb power should be correct right from what u mention previously
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QUOTE(unrealweapon @ Oct 19 2012, 10:16 AM)
i'm not familiar with unix command nor linux environment.. although i did before, i mostly forgotten..

ssh allows me to connect and directly see the debian gui ?

i do not have any network connection for this baby.

right now, im just wonderin what this baby can do with electronics.. or how to interface with basic electronics.
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The steps i do.


1. plug ethernet to the pi. insert SDcard that I loaded the eg Xbian distro
2. plug in power micro-usb
3. wait like 20seconds then on my PC connected to same network, run Advance IP scanner to get raspberry pi's IP on the network(required just for first time usually)

4. use putty to ssh into the pi. <by default most distro enables ssh on pi to run on startup>
<at this stage you can run command line stuff, sudo apt-get ....>

5. if you require UltraVNC, then follow all this sos from myraspberrypiexperience- set up on ur Win pc and usually just one time.


Added on October 19, 2012, 10:29 am
QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Oct 19 2012, 10:24 AM)
ermm i am ok with the extra hdmi cable since the price is low...but only the sd card cost abit...so this means i can buy any sd card brand outside? the 4gb looks quite small the size...perhaps i can source a bigger size in lowyat then...so the rest of the checklist is ok? the micro usb power should be correct right from what u mention previously
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recommendation is dont buy those super cheap SD card. this page got horror story of countless SD card not working... to get a picture of what dont work.


I can only attest that my Sandisk ultra mobile class 6 32 gb work very nicely for the past 4-5months.

And it is a reasonable price at 100+ compared to a rip off I received for buying locally at a cellphone shop for 8gb RM$60

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intothefantasy
post Oct 19 2012, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Oct 19 2012, 10:24 AM)
The steps i do.
1. plug ethernet to the pi. insert SDcard that I loaded the eg Xbian distro
2. plug in power micro-usb
3. wait like 20seconds then on my PC connected to same network, run Advance IP scanner to get raspberry pi's IP on the network(required just for first time usually)

4. use putty to ssh into the pi. <by default most distro enables ssh on pi to run on startup>
<at this stage you can run command line stuff, sudo apt-get ....>

5. if you require UltraVNC, then follow all this sos from myraspberrypiexperience- set up on ur Win pc and usually just one time.


Added on October 19, 2012, 10:29 am
recommendation is dont buy those super cheap SD card. this page got horror story of countless SD card not working... to get a picture of what dont work.
I can only attest that my Sandisk ultra mobile class 6 32 gb work very nicely for the past 4-5months.

And it is a reasonable price at 100+    compared to a rip off I received for buying locally at a cellphone shop for 8gb RM$60
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u brought is the microsd one right? using the adapter?
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post Oct 19 2012, 06:31 PM

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Element 14 Malaysia habis again.

Can I still place order now to get free shipment later when available?
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post Oct 19 2012, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Oct 19 2012, 06:25 PM)
u brought is the microsd one right? using the adapter?
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yes microsd, put into adapter.
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post Oct 20 2012, 07:18 PM

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Do be careful with the microsd cards.. sebab beli yang salah, most probably it wont boot... i bought one kingston 16gbC4, it didnt boot. but another sandisk 2gb boots perfectly..
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post Oct 20 2012, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(satz @ Oct 20 2012, 07:18 PM)
Do be careful with the microsd cards.. sebab beli yang salah, most probably it wont boot... i bought one kingston 16gbC4, it didnt boot. but another sandisk 2gb boots perfectly..
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Why is it like that?
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post Oct 20 2012, 09:23 PM

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depends on the compatibility...

for some other cards :
the 2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian version didnt work out well..
tried fedora remix worked.. arch worked too..

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post Oct 20 2012, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(satz @ Oct 20 2012, 09:23 PM)
depends on the compatibility...

for some other cards :
the 2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian version didnt work out well..
tried fedora remix worked.. arch worked too..
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I think fortunately, I applied Gui lin gao within 1-2minute. So now I can type.



Regarding the SD cards. It is really hard to endorse one specific card. But if you see the list in elinux's list of verified peripheral. I think the list of SD cards not working or working has not grown. So Can be pretty safe to say, you would not get a handicap sd card that easily. Working cards probably out number eg

for Sandisk 16gb - 9 working
for Sandisk 16gb - 2 not working. (previously 3... but one got sorted out?)

I am thinking about splurging on a 64gb sandisk ultra mobile class 6. <got evidence that it works>


Also, I am exploring NFS for streaming 1080p files from a win 7 ult pc to the rasp-pi xbmc.

*initially I tried Xbian- I think it has much lesser lag via the Samba stream, once every 30 second for very brief

*then I tried Raspbmc - I think the lag is more visible. once every 8-10seconds??


1080p is not my main stable of media.... so in some sense not very urgent.


Xbian's samba share is so easy to setup

Raspbmc samba share, for each subsequent folder, it will hang/restart or something like that. weird, it may be doing a specific auto-mounting that results in that.



So, I might switch back to Xbian yet again.







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post Oct 21 2012, 01:06 AM

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well, this is what i tried,

used thin eraser to rub on the pins of the microsd n sd adapter...
den used a ciplak reader and did the copying job..

it works out well after all.. smile.gif

If anyone faces frequent reboot, get a better power supply.
If hdmi flickers too much, try to boost hdmi using config.txt

just to inform if in case its not discussed here.. smile.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 05:16 AM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Oct 20 2012, 11:43 PM)
Raspbmc samba share, for each subsequent folder, it will hang/restart or something like that. weird, it may be doing a specific auto-mounting that results in that.
So, I might switch back to Xbian yet again.
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I can't see contents of subfolders on recent builds of raspbmc. 1080p is smoother than before with no lag (tested UPNP playback via LAN, have not tested on wifi yet). And I still cannot display subtitles on MKV files. Airplay can stream audio/video from videos on my ipad, but only audio is streamed when viewing youtube. Overall usability of raspbmc is getting worse, I'm also switching back to xbian.



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QUOTE(nyem @ Oct 21 2012, 05:16 AM)
Airplay can stream audio/video from videos on my ipad, but only  audio is streamed when viewing youtube. Overall usability of raspbmc is getting worse, I'm also switching back to xbian.
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Wow! Until now I didn't know XBMC does Airplay.
Did a little googling and found out you can Airplay from Android devices too (for streaming media only. I think)
And now got new industry standard called Miracast that will be more powerful than airplay.
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Oct 19 2012, 06:31 PM)
Element 14 Malaysia habis again.

Can I still place order now to get free shipment later when available?
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dude update here if got can?i wonder y no bulk? shakehead.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(apihblind @ Oct 21 2012, 04:41 PM)
dude update here if got can?i wonder y no bulk?  shakehead.gif
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No price advantage?

Can I order now to lock in free shipment later when new stock arrives?
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post Oct 22 2012, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Oct 21 2012, 05:37 PM)
No price advantage?

Can I order now to lock in free shipment later when new stock arrives?
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So you tried it yet? I think if you order and it is out of stock, element14 will call you. So you can ask them direct.


Yesterday, I "hack" a old usb port and a old creative media player's 5v 1.5A adapter to connect to the pi. I think I "aced" it. Pi is running fine now with 5.1V*idle 700mhz. I overclock it to 950mhz using Raspbmc's settings.(I had stability problem which I blame Raspbmc, but now resolved after couple of restarts and letting Raspbmc update itself.
Edit: while playing 1080p, and the clockspeed running at 950mhz, the voltage at T1 and T2 drops to 4.73V. (surprising but I wonder how many ampere is it pulling. Seems stable enough streaming from pc samba for more then 1hr.)
I wonder should I use a 5.4v 2.5A dell pocket pc adapter. surely if it does not break lower then 5V under intense overclocking.

(one time before the self update, even samba transfer to my win 7 pc... the speed was like only 300kB/s(and it hang the machine after a while cant even complete a 300mb test file, while now its 7MB/s---- so much faster)


B4 manual overclock = 850mhz dynamic the frame stutters every 8++ seconds.

Now with 950 mhz = only lag very minimally. Almost non-noticeable.



Caution: I added passive aluminiun heat sink to the 3 hottest chips/power regulater<the component beside the capacitor C6. It was running at 50celsius before heat sink addition. Now overclocked under load = 46.5

Idle temp with heat sink = 40celsius.

Overall a mini-success, my artic thermal adhesive that dried up, I was feeling too cheap/didnt wanted to buy additional thermal stuff. So I bought superglue, and use the technique I read on internet.

Put in the center and spread the "old""semi-spoil" artic thermal paste(non-adhesive tube), leave some space between the corners and the edge, careful not to overload, just a thin spread will do,Use toothpick, dab the four corners of the chip you want to fix the heat sink on, the amount is very minute, you put the glue on a seperate plastic or surface, then with the tip of tooth pick, you dab just very small, I reckon 0.5-1 microliters. on the four corners, then press the heat sink on the chip and press with "significant" pressure. (I am not that accurate maybe half or 1 pound pressure?)

(very important, really dont pull too much thermal paste and too much superglue, you dont want it seeping out.) I think this works well enough, it is not the bestest best, but the result I see is 10degree difference.)



So for RM$111, + 200-300, a computer that can overclock like crazy... may we get more of this!!!!


(I saw on raspbmc... now got option for 1.5Ghz overclock? I hope those are not like nitrogen cooled... perhaps fan cooled?)

Super long thread 30plus page. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopi...cking&start=125

I have yet to find the command to print on screen the core freq, sdram freq and gpu freq. Anyone?

found it
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cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm  
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock h264
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock core
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock isp
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_volts core
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock V3D
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock vec
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock pwm
/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock emmc



seems like ram freq isnt dynamic? or cannot read... no command for it...

I checked my 1080p file only max up to 17MB/s.<it plays with no lag!!! so it works, OC with samba>

<what is the biggest file you guys played? >




This post has been edited by skywardsword: Oct 22 2012, 04:16 PM

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