SHUTTER?

Has anyone seen this? Uploaded since end of Feb 2012

What do you mean?

If you mean Windows Phone OS:
1. You cannot send files via Bluetooth.
2. No file manager, you cannot browse the files in your phone.
3. No mass-storage mode, you cannot access your internal storage of the phone from your PC. You need to use ZUNE to transfer, and only allow you to transfer PHOTO, VIDEO, MUSIC and PODASTS, nothing else.
Zune requires Windows XP SP3 or later.

If you're just going to use to upload to facebook, then you don't really need PureView? Well, maybe if you want to take better quality for self satisfaction. When you upload, the photo "probably" will be processed and reduce in size and quality.

If you take a group photo say during dinner, people want the photo, ask you to send to them. You can't, cause no bluetooth file transfer capability. Send email? Download from SkyDrive? What about people who doesn't use these stuffs.
Bluetooth file transfer is the most common and widely used transfer method, and for Nokia users, they have no such restrictions or limitations before.

Similarly, mass-storage mode is also a common feature.
If you want to transfer to PC, you need to first transfer through Zune; If you're at some other people place, they don't have Zune, then you can't transfer to them.
Some office don't allow installation of softwares, so you can't install Zune. Some office also restrict or block websites, so even if you upload you can't download.
Look at all these, just to TRANSFER 1 FILE, you can't do it.

So, what's a smartphone?
What's the purpose of a smartphone?
What's the meaning of "Putting People First"? (This is a slogan for Windows Phone).

They can still develop PureView for Windows Phone of course; there will be people who will buy it and use it.
Windows Phone have potential and it has really amazing Social Networks Integration feature, but the limitations and restrictions can be a deal breaker for many.
Some people may not bother or can live with the limitations and restrictions, but why restrict and limit and risk loosing customers? Can Nokia afford to loose their customers?
I can only wish Microsoft will change their mind and actually "Putting People First".

Also, for their Sharing feature, currently, it's too plain, simple and basic. They should improve it like what Maemo5 and MeeGo Harmattan has done. Check out below videos for the Social amazing social networks integration and sharing feature:

Windows Phone Amazing Social Networking Services (SNS) Integration:


MeeGo Harmattan Social Networking Services (SNS) Integration and it's amazing sharing feature:

808 is Symbian
Seems this will not be available for US Market

They will make PureView technology available on Lumia, means Windows Phone version.
But not sure what sensor, could be the same based on the leak device photo, seems like having a big sensor too.
It should be, since they most likely using back same algorithm, etc.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 9 2012, 11:10 AM

Actually, WP main issue is the restrictions and limitations only. If they make it open like how they used to be (e.g. Windows Mobile), then many problems will be resolved. Just don't understand what MS doing.

Just because iPhone is famous, doesn't mean you copy everything. Take the goods and drop the bad. Don't take everything.
What they did is like some manager who have no knowledge, they see the market, iPhone best seller, so we FOLLOW, and follow blindly.

Where got smartphone or computer or pocket PC that need a software to transfer file and somemore restricted to media files only.
Wait, Media Files only? Restriction? Aha! That's the MP3/Media Player right?
Wait wait, isn't this a smartphone? or is it a media player phone?
What is MS doing?

The weirdest part is, Windows Phone is about "Putting People First".
But do they?

Just Bluetooth File Transfer itself, has been requested/suggested MANY times and so many support. This suggestion is by a Mobile Guru or Admin himself/herself. Why no ACTION until today? What about Putting People First?
http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/1...h-file-transfer

It's just a simple thing can be implemented easily. It's just a matter of they want to allow or not, or they want to control like Apple.
Being a Mango, doesn't mean it has to do what Apple did, even the Berry (Black Color one) also didn't follow.


There will be people prefers one another. But as I've mentioned above, the main issue is the restrictions and limitations.

So, why not reach out and please more users/customers, than have people who hate and doesn't like it. A product should try to suit more customers. Honestly, have no idea or logic why MS have to implement those other than follow blindly what Apple did; as with many company, the management decisions may just be looking at the surface or statistics, but then, what about the suggestions and request send in? Is that really being acknowledged? Or it's just for user to feel good that they have a place to write in their suggestion?
Really no idea, it's been so long and yet still no action taken, and this is actually not good for Nokia. They're making Nokia loosing its customers.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 9 2012, 03:01 PM

Belle is pretty good already, but people already jump ship.
When people jump, it's hard to win back, especially when they already given up, disappointed, annoyed, angry, etc.

That's why it's important not to make the wrong move, and if it does happen, they have to quickly find solution for it.

Now they choose WP7, but WP7 have many restrictions and limitations; Many Symbian owners may not be able to accept these restrictions and limitations; If they have to bear with these, they might just go with the iPhone? If they want flexibility and power, there's Android. So, it's important for Nokia and Microsoft to solve this as soon as possible before more Nokia loses more customers... when people jump ship, it's hard to win them back. If they start buying apps and games on other platform, it'll be even harder because their purchases cannot be transferred to WP7.


Because WP7 UI is 2D Flat Look and Feel. You will notice everything is 2D flat look and feel.
If you explore more, you will see or have some familiar feeling... it look and feel like Web Page style.

For programmer or web developer, they maybe more familiar with the look and feel.


Well, there is more customers there. I mean, much much more. You see Draw Something, how much earnings in just a short time?
People use Android and iOS mostly. So these 2 platform will be the 1st choice.
As for other platforms, the manufacturer have to make effort to help bring those apps over to their platform.

Now, apps and games are important; So having apps and games, the platform can be more successful.
In this case, can apps and games change WP7? Yes and No
Why No? App and Games, also available in Android and iOS, so why choose WP7 when it comes with many restrictions and limitations?
For those people who can live with it, they will choose WP7.
But how many people can live with it and still choose WP7 instead of iPhone?
WP7 needs to break this barrier on restrictions and limitations, to gain more customers, instead of driving more customers away; This indirectly affecting Nokia since Nokia is adopting WP7 as it's primary OS.

Branding matters to many people, especially newer generations. No longer like last time people, where they look for quality, experience, expertise, etc.
CrossRoad MyLar One, pass to GaGa and rename to some GaGa style naming, the value will go up double/triple or more instantaneously.

See iPhone, many people buy because of it's brand and it's famous, a must have, once you carry, you become high class instananeously. It's like carrying a branded bag.
See car, many people buy Perodua because of Daihatsu-Toyota. Back then, BEFORE Myvi launch, I told my colleagues and show them the leak pictures, their first impression is ugly, not good, etc. Later, got news about it's a Daihatsu model, then their impression suddenly change, etc.
My friend at first didn't even bother to look at Myvi when he's looking for cars, then suddenly he go buy, when ask why, he said "I found out the engine is from Toyota". What? Since when Perodua manufacture own engine?
See how a branding can make people decision and mindset change. Just like bags, people see in pasar no brand, wil say ugly. BUT if it's a LV brand, they will say it's DIFFERENT, UNIQUE, VERY NICE.

More like the other way round? Haha, they don't dare to release 808 to US.

True, before Apple introduce iPhone, there was no such thing. All thanks for Apple who wouldn't want to make a proper smartphone OS, but a media OS which was meant for media player like iPod Touch, then add in phone features and call it a smartphone. Hence, why many "profesionals" out there never considered iPhone as smartphone.
But for general users, they don't care or don't need to know, it's all about apps and games, and also the brand.

Not true. Symbian browsing experience is not good, but Maemo (Nokia N900) was the best, even up till today. It may not be up to par with today's performance, but it still gives the best browsing experience closest to having a mini laptop in your hands.

If you tried Windows Phone, the browser is amazing as well, but similar to iPhone there's no flash. For general users, it's enough. For me, I prefer to have choice, say I'm using Android, if I want simple and fast browsing, I'll use Opera Mobile, if I want to have Flash support, I will use Dolphin HD or Firefox with Flash on Demand. The thing here is, I have a choice. That's what smartphones should do, give user choice.

If you only care about smoothness then iOS and Windows Phone browser is very good.
But web browsing is not all about smoothness only; as I said, with Android, I have choice to use different browser, if I want lightweight, smooth and fast, I use opera mobile, if I want better web browsing experience, I go for Dolphin HD or FireFox; but even with these, nothing beats the experience of Maemo5 default web browser. I can activate mouse cursor with it (can also right-click), I can easily select and copy any part of the text with CTRL+C and paste with CTRL+V or select all with CTRL+A, I can mouse over dynamic content for drop down menu, I can drag and drop, I can organize photos in Facebook albums, I can do almost (if not all) every operation that your PC web browser can do... even Android with all types of browser can't do that. With Maemo's TRUE multi-tasking, I can easily switch between different applications easily and very fast, I can copy a part of text, quickly switch to my SMS, paste there, send, then switch around. In short, many things can be done very fast, smooth and easily. That device comes with only 600Mhz and 256MB RAM, it's capable of doing very well job, it's just too bad there were no better hardware which runs this OS.

See how easy it is to switch between apps:


And with Adobe Flash + qwerty keyboard + mouse cursor + right-click, you can:


Is there any smartphone can do better? I haven't found one, honestly speaking.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Apr 15 2012, 05:21 PM

Lack of good hardware. With 600Mhz and 256MB ram only, the performance is already very good, way better than many other OS with much higher spec. Plus, it support TRUE multi-tasking.

It depends what you're looking for actually, if you want a simple phone and works, iPhone and Windows Phone is great.
If you want something more, Symbian and Android.
If you want something that works like a mini laptop in your palm, the N900 is the closest thing; but this phone is already outdated and the specs is so low compared to nowadays phone and there isn't much apps and games available. I still keeping it, it can do way much more than any other phones.
Nobody care about it because:
1. It's Nokia
2. There's too little apps and games; Honestly speaking, most people are looking for apps and games
3. It's bukly
4. No 3G calls and no official MMS support (got 3rd party MMS app)

Hardware wise, Nokia N900 is one very complete device, you hardly get these from Nokia, it comes once in a while. The N900 have stereo speakers, Nice Qwerty, Lens Cover, Infrared. You hard find a device with such complete hardware, it's either missing this, or missing that.

This is a good video review on Nokia N900, it's also mentioned it's not suitable for everyone.

An Apple fanatic?

The problem is, Nokia could've easily make a come back IF they listen to their customers.

Look at what happen to Samseng and HTC? Look at these 2 company last time.

Look at Nokia, when it was struggling to make a come back, people been asking for an Android Nokia phone; there're many potential customer for Nokia here.
Instead of grabbing these market, they decided to go for, well, you know what... which at the same time, make their reputation worst.
Wait... so what IF they decide to go for WP? They can still go for Android? Even Samseng and HTC did the same, they have both WP and Android.

Imagine if Nokia have Android phone as well. Today, it will one of the major competitor in the market, they want to adopt Windows Phone also no problem, they can grab more customer. Which means, they can have different customers. Now? They're loosing Customer everyday and hopping to gain back their Customer by hoping these Customer will switch to Windows Phone. Can it work? I'm no business man, but I think this is exactly like what Apple wish to do.

I can only say, usually for business strategy, people do this open 2 tap water strategty, see which one flows more before deciding; but Nokia-Microsoft or Elop, I don't get their strategy, perhaps it's a new kind of business strategy, or there's something behind it.
MeeGo was declared dead before it was even born, and all the work just go into rubbish bin.
Symbian was declared to be executed soon before Windows Phone was even available, not to mention, can it sell?
So, it's like killing your own product FIRST, while waiting for your new upcoming product to be available... which also means, they will start loosing customers already even before the new product is available.
Is this some sort of new business strategy?

Yup, they should do multi-platform.

They will have Symbian customers, Android customers, Windows Phone customers, MeeGo customers.
And they will be the only manufacturer with so many platforms? If they decide to reduce the platform, that time they can decide which platform is not doing well, then slowly switch, and the customer can still maintain since they got other platforms available.
Many people may still want a Nokia phone, but there's no Android, so what happen? Nokia just lost these customers.

Now the market all taken by Samseng and HTC.

My understanding is very simple:
If you open a restaurant that sells Porridge. Will you sell ONLY porridge? Or will you sell variety of foods?
If you only sell porridge, and if got let's say 3 friends want to have lunch, IF one of them don't want to eat porridge how? You lost not 1 customer but ALL 3.

Well, that's the "rumor"; We'll just have to wait and see, but honestly hope it won't happen.

Rumor has it...

Sadly, the article doesn't sound right. It sounded like protecting MS?
I think it is MS needed Nokia not Nokia need MS.
It should be Nokia drop MS. Nokia have other choice like Android, Symbian, MeeGo, etc
MS? Their OS didn't do well in Samseng, HTC and LG. So, they find Nokia.
And why Nokia can't continue their Symbian? MeeGo? and why they cannot adopt Android? Why must they declare MeeGo and Symbian's death? It's more logical to think that it is MS requirement that they drop everything and only use Windows Phone as fear it will affect Windows Phone sales, just like what happen with Samseng, HTC especially.
Windows Phone doesn't do well, so obviously Samseng and HTC will invest more on Android. It's simple business concept of running 2 tap water, which one flows more, then you concentrate on that one.

But Nokia didn't follow this simple concept, instead it declare it's current OS dead or soon to be executed, while the new product isn't even available yet. So they started loosing customers, trust. Why? Rumor has it...
Ok, let's be good and try to look at it positively, the CEO want to be an honest person, so he decide to tell people first that they will be dropping Symbian soon, so these customer don't get shock later and say why the CEO cheat them. So, the CEO think about the customer, let's the company bear the losses and then try to gain back the customers trust because he is honest, so when his new product launch, he hope these customers will be happy with him because he is honest with them. *coughs* *coughs*

There're still many using Symbian smartphones.

The question is:
Can they accept Windows Phone?

Imagine if Nokia start to loose these Customers (and it's A LOT). It'll greatly impact Nokia.
These are the LOYAL LONGTERM customers, and they can live with Symbian; BUT can they accept Windows Phone?
If they have to change (forced to when no more Nokia Symbian devices), I strongly believe, they will jump ship.
I feel Nokia dropping Symbian is a big mistake, unless they have a OS that is good enough OR better than Symbian that can attracts most of its current users.

For now.... if they go Full Force WP, Nokia may high possible to loose even larger market share there.

It's not hard to say, it should be the other way round, and Microsoft is dragging Nokia down together.

Let the figures talk. There maybe people who like Windows Phone, but if we're talking about Nokia, can Nokia gain back all their Symbian owners, where all their's money are?
Can Windows Phone replace Symbian? I strongly doubt it.
As of current, it can't attract even half of Symbian users, and Symbian users are already leaving Nokia and aboard other.
For Windows Phone user, it may not concern them, but to Nokia, it will greatly impact the company. As of now, Nokia is already loosing greatly.

The people still loyal and staying are actually those Symbian owners, and those waiting for this 808 PureView running Symbian to replace their N8.
If this is WP, how many will buy as compared to those Symbian? I doubt WP can make any close figures at all.
Even current Lumia phones, it isn't doing well, sad to say. Their biggest problem is the restrictions and limitations, if they don't get rid of it, it will be dragged down by it. A smartphone that isn't smart, how to be a smartphone.

This post has been edited by Andy214: May 3 2012, 12:57 PM

Some still love the Lumia.