Perhaps they want to push and market the Lumia's, as it's their core and primary OS, they need it to be successful.

PureView even if they don't market, it will still sell? Symbian owners waiting to upgrade their Symbian device will be waiting for the 808 PureView, especially since there's no other high end good Symbian available for quite some time already? Imagine how many are there, these people don't need marketing campaign to know about the 808 PureView, plus the previous news and award already promoted the PureView so much.

Secondly, even non-Nokia owners, those which given up with Nokia and moved on, or those who never like Nokia, the 808 PureView already captured their attention, without Nokia need to do any marketing campaign.

Not really, from the response I get, although it's Symbian, they're relief it's not Windows Phone. Of course, they would prefer Androids, and most of these Android owners want flexibility and customization, they just can't bear the limitations and restrictions on Windows Phone.

There're those which can, but the question is, how many. Very little, people choose Androids because of the flexibility, customization, freedom. It's they don't mind the restrictions and limitations, they might/would've gone for the iPhone, which is similar like Windows Phone. Then again, iPhone have jailbreak.

Worth issue is hard to judge. Sometimes you may see people say a product that is complicated, requires many skilled expertise to design, build, technology, etc. as expensive and not worth the money, but they can say a simple, easy to make, price few thousands, they claim as worth it (not to mention the cost to produce is sooo sooo sooo much lower, it's all because of the BRAND, which they don't even really know who the hell is it but because people "say" it's BRANDED and FAMOUS).
A similar category product, that comes with protection, weather sealing, water proof, security, damage protection, anti-theft feature, etc, all the expensive material and features, which still cost few times cheaper than the said product, they can say it's expensive and not worth it.

So, how does one judge as worth or not worth? For most people, it's simply not valid, it's more like depending on the person, if the person LIKE the product soooo much, suddenly, it will become worth it. So, just let these people be, you can't satisfy and make everyone understand.

The 808 PureView have 3X Zoom which is similar to 3X Optical zoom quality (but without the bulky lens and zooming in-out, thus no worry of lens damage). If you read and understand the technology behind it, it's similar quality, unlike digital zoom.
As a plus, it's gives CONSTANT APERTURE of f/2.4. You don't get this with normal digital camera. Normally, digital camera when you use the optical zoom, the aperture stops down, means you loss more light, and to compensate for the loss of light, you need to decrease shutter speed and/or increase ISO.
For those who're into photography, will truly appreciate this constant aperture optical quality zoom, as normally, to get this feature, you need to spend so much more for the lens alone.

Anyway, expensive or not, it's individual. Those that feel it's expensive, then just don't buy, simple; Hehe. If the rumors of limited units is true, then I believe, it's no harm got people feel it's expensive and decided not to buy. I believe there're already many N8 owners waiting to upgrade to these, and there should also be many other Symbian users who STILL want to use Symbian, will be looking forward to these. Even my friends who already not looking at Nokia and those that already dislike Nokia, is opening their eyes for this 808 PureView.

Not sure if it's possible for it to be limited, but seeing how Nokia prioritizes and pushing Lumias, it's possible they're not really keen on the 808 PureView, probably just to cater for the "current" Symbian market demand. Plus, there're still many Symbian owners that dislike the WP, you can clearly see an Anti-WP group consist of Symbian owners, and they're also on Nokia Malaysia Facebook; So, I doubt these people will switch to WP, and might one day switch to Android; For now, at least they still have a good Symbian they can go for.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 4 2012, 11:55 AM

So far got any handphone camera that let us adjust aperture?
If not wrong, for N900, even with FCam, we only manage to manually adjust Shutter Speed and ISO (way exceeding the default of 400 (I think) --> extended up to 6400 lol)

Yes, I said it achieve quality LIKE Optical Zoom. It's still Digital Zoom, but not the same which what people used to know or understand.
In PureView mode (e.g. 5MP), with or without zoom, the picture you take is still 5MP. Without zoom, you get oversampling technology and it reduces as you zoom due to less sensor size is used. So at 3X zoom, you still get the TRUE 5MP quality, just like a digital camera with optical zoom.
The extra added benefit is, there is no bulky lens that's moves in out and no risk of damaging it either, and best yet, you get constant aperture zoom.

41MP is the total sensor size. Nokia has develop a new kind of sensor, which is ROUND, instead of the typical rectangular shape sensor. The purpose is to get best of both 4:3 and 16:9 crop factor mode.
So effectively, if you shoot in FULL RESOLUTION mode (without PureView), you get 38MP or 34MP depending on which ratio you choose.

Ranger seems no news for 808, seems like Nokia is concentrating, pushing and emphasizing hard on Lumia.

But I think 808 will be the hot topic during the Lumia event instead? lol

Cannot fight with last time N8, lol, that was the Crazy one, extreme...

General term; How do you define good.

Everywhere has good programmers. How good is good. I deal with programmers who were from India.
When he explain his codes...
The technical manager said this: I have no idea what he's talking about, so complicated = good?
The thing is, when it's hard to understand and it looks like complicated, people usually say conclude the person it's very skilled.
But remember, many things, a solution can be made very simple, 1+1 = 2, don't complicate things like 1+1-1+1-1+1=2 (or more complicated). Don't go around your face to touch your nose. Many programmers tend to code and make very complicated process, when all you have to do is just a simple task.

LoL, I'm actually curious why people need to specify drop until what amount only buy?
It can be within very short period it drop, or it can be after a long period. Whatever it is, by the time it drop, 1,499, will the person expect RM1.4K buy it? There will reach a point where the price may stay longer, so if it's stays at RM1,499 for long time, so wait? After wait longer, then drop RM1,450 and stay there again. Wait?
Finally drop RM1.4K, will the person buy? I wonder, by that time when wanna buy, see market, wah, so many more high end phones with 16MP or higher, and crazy ads and selling for say maybe RM1.8K? Extra RM400, then say 808 RM1.4K not worth, wait till drop to RM1.2K?

In short, I'm not sure and curious why people tend to specify drop until what amount ONLY will buy. No, there's nothing wrong with it, but just feel very weird with the statement because it's unpredictable of how long it will take and as I mentioned, it may drop till a point where the price maybe more stable and also that time, more choices available or some new phone announced coming soon. It's just so many possibilities, so I don't get the point, really.

Not to offend anyone, but it's a curiosity and I still cannot get the point.

Price sure will drop, especially drop from the launching price. Usually the launching time, the price is high, then it will drop until certain amount and the price will be more stable. Then again, there is RRP and Street Price. If you want to buy from Nokia Store, you'll be paying for the RRP and usually the price don't drop so fast or as fast.

Then there's also second hand, some rich people may buy it because they heard it's so good, but later use time, feel not much difference, or they don't like Symbian or the look, actually they want to look cool, more class, sell off and get the latest HOT phone.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 7 2012, 09:38 AM

They need to push Lumia here... see Lumia thread, hardly move, and seems many people selling Lumia too. I'm not sure how well it's received by public, but sad to say, most (if not all) of my friends are not interested in WP (and they're non-IT people). WP restrictions and limitations is basically killing it badly, although the Metro UI is nice to some, but it's flat 2D look, not everyone will like... many people actually prefers more 3D look, most people commented "dull and plain".
It will be tough to push Lumia moreover, HTC and Samseng have their own WP alternatives and with Samseng brand gaining popularity, it's gonna affect Lumia.
Moreover, Symbian users will more likely be comfortable with Android as it's the closest alternative.

How's your sales on Lumia anyway?
Any demand for 808?

Yup, hang and lag is normal, even PC got hang and lag. It annoying but still bearable and usable, just how serious and how often. Using low ram Android and installing/running many services, that's the real lag and hang. Like a PC, it also depends on how the person use lo, make it simple and run little service, then less problem. I got friends and colleagues who don't really install those apps and services, they seems didn't complaint about lag and hang.

Without flexibility, customization, and freedom, then the device/OS become less interesting, less appeal, less feature. With flexibility, customization and freedom, user have choice, to keep it simple or customize to their liking. There's a big different when you HAVE and DON'T HAVE, but too bad, MS choose no to give it to their users.

My cheap 2 cents, and back to 808 lol,

Darn, really silent launch...

Even the PR company have no idea or news on 808. Nokia really not keen on selling this.

No Launching but start selling already? No media launch? No news also?


WAH, today this thread so active and moving so fast.

Keep it coming. MOAR!!!

I don't think will get. The PR company also no idea about this phone, not information at all... only got Lumia. As I sai, they're pushing and full focus on Lumia.

808 already sold silently without launching, not even have media launch, means the media also don't know. LYN also don't know, bloggers also don't know.

But no news at all?

HOT and ITCHY and faizal is not telling the price despite few person asked =P

Avaxx confirm got limted units for first batch of stocks.

Silent Launch, but HOT TOPIC!

Need to sleep.... lol