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post Apr 25 2012, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Apr 25 2012, 10:53 AM)
they jus dun want people lugging a dirty and drippy bike into the office... sometimes you have to be on the other end to view the problem as well...

bringing the bike into the office is actually not the best of ideas... storage space being a problem and cleanliness being the other... imagine someone rode his bike over a mud puddle or a pool of dog shit... you wouldn't like to seat beside his bike...

i use service elevators too.. but sometimes, it is just too much of a fuss waiting for people to be unloading and loading off the lifts which could take some time, especially when you are in a hurry...

best if the building has a dedicated bike parking slot outside of the building to encourage people to commute to work and this will solve the problem for both sides...

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Cleanliness & storage no prob. We even have our own car wash at basement FOC. My division area gud enuf to hide my hybrid ride. My work area is also secured to the division ppl only, no other staff of the company has access & CIA allowed me to so long not during ofc hour and got approval from building mgmt...
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hence the answer is no mad.gif
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post Apr 25 2012, 04:26 PM

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it's understandable... you are putting more than 1 party in a tight spot for making the decision...

unless your company owns the building and the top level management condones this.. then it's not a problem... ground rules have to be set though for lugging bikes into the office...

i trust it is just better to leave the bike outside of the building, less problems for all parties... maybe only the bike owner might not be that happy with that decision...
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post Apr 25 2012, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Apr 25 2012, 04:11 PM)
hahha... he already posted here to declare he was selling adi la.. getting foil...

i did read some reviews about the belgian lube... there are a number of high profile riders and teams using it... mark cav. among them...

but, i am interested in the drip ones... i saw the spray lubes before...
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oh... Scoot FOIL...

i saw 1 @ KH Cycle Malaysia yesterday !!!
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post Apr 25 2012, 04:42 PM

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mention Foil is enough, no need brand name... if not, after this idiot hianboy will come and give you the
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act again...

KH is the taikor for those bikes... it is no wonder that they have the full range there.. their Look also quite complete...

Lightweight, Mavic, Xentis, Campy wheels... mavic shoe lineup and some very rare stuff like the ee brakes and effetto mariposa carbosaw...

it is the first time i came in close contact with Campy Hyperon and Neutron climbing wheels and that is in KH... before this, never even seen it once in KL before...

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post Apr 25 2012, 05:04 PM

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nearly got the scott cr1 team from KH, quite light and well equipped for the price.
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QUOTE(butthead @ Apr 25 2012, 04:42 PM)
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mention Foil is enough, no need brand name... if not, after this idiot hianboy will come and give you the
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act again...

KH is the taikor for those bikes... it is no wonder that they have the full range there.. their Look also quite complete...

Lightweight, Mavic, Xentis, Campy wheels... mavic shoe lineup and some very rare stuff like the ee brakes and effetto mariposa carbosaw...

it is the first time i came in close contact with Campy Hyperon and Neutron climbing wheels and that is in KH... before this, never even seen it once in KL before...
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Thank god that i'm dont know any of them as you mentioned above...

you were at KH yesterday? hehe...

btw, was told by friend that Bon Foo have new wheels, weight less than 1,000 gram...
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QUOTE(gsrturbo @ Apr 25 2012, 05:04 PM)
nearly got the scott cr1 team from KH, quite light and well equipped for the price.
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why didn't you? or rather, what did you get...

wife pulled you out of the shop by your ear blush.gif

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Apr 25 2012, 05:05 PM)
Thank god that i'm dont know any of them as you mentioned above...

you were at KH yesterday? hehe...

btw, was told by friend that Bon Foo have new wheels, weight less than 1,000 gram...
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there is lots of wheels under 1000 grams nowadays... it is no longer the holy grail of light wheels... $$$ is the issue...

now the target for being labeled crazy light is set at sub 800 grams per set...

1000 grams is called consumer acquirable... rich bike geeks don't like as it is not exclusive enough...

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post Apr 25 2012, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Apr 25 2012, 04:42 PM)
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mention Foil is enough, no need brand name... if not, after this idiot hianboy will come and give you the
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act again...

KH is the taikor for those bikes... it is no wonder that they have the full range there.. their Look also quite complete...

Lightweight, Mavic, Xentis, Campy wheels... mavic shoe lineup and some very rare stuff like the ee brakes and effetto mariposa carbosaw...

it is the first time i came in close contact with Campy Hyperon and Neutron climbing wheels and that is in KH... before this, never even seen it once in KL before...
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post Apr 25 2012, 05:50 PM

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Am I the only one with Merida bike in this thread?

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post Apr 25 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(hianboy @ Apr 25 2012, 05:27 PM)
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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Apr 25 2012, 05:50 PM)
Am I the only one with Merida bike in this thread?

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what's wrong with a merida???

it's a reputable bike... and always remember (or you can hypnotize yourself) that merida owns 49% of specialize... so, they are in some way un-related brothers...hahahhaha...
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post Apr 25 2012, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Apr 24 2012, 09:57 AM)
reach adjustment is available on the 105 too... you don't get the adjustment shims because your 105 is OEM based.. if you bought 105 in retail form, you get 2 plasticky or rubbery tabs to shim your lever closer to your drops... SRAM on the other hand requires only a tool to rotate the small cam to adjust the shift pedal and a hex key to adjust the brake lever.. both are individually adjusted...

like so...
SRAM TECH UPDATE – setting reach adjust on Rival, Force and RED

as for shifting feel.. i personally think that the SRAM lever throw is even smaller than Shimano ones, i am not sure how you can actually mis-shift 2 cogs at one go as that is very hard to mistakenly do it as the lever throw is larger when downshifting... upshift, it is possible since the shifts are relatively quick and easy to hit...  15 degree for upshift and 30 degree for downshift 1 cog...

lever force on the SRAM i deduce it to the fact that it requires very good and smooth cables... lousy cables will let you feel a very rough or stiff shifter pedal (maybe due to 1:1 ratio)... which is why i am still experimenting to see which set of cables is best and lasts the longest... i am now using the SRAM Professional sealed cable set made by gore... smooth action initially but also degraded after a while... next one would be interested to try aligator mini i-link to see how it goes...

as for the front end shifting, i think a lot of people will tell you SRAM front mech is shit... but i have no problems so far as long as i mate the front FD with SRAM cranks... maybe it is the shifting ramps and pins on the chain ring or maybe it is just something else... i have no problems so far... i was previously on SRAM FD mated to FSA and also Token compact cranks before... those shifts did hesitate a bit and sometimes there is unsucessful pickups going to the big ring and it drops and rubs against the big ring for a bit before it moves up....

there is no perfect group set and i think there is nothing that says SRAM has the stuff to beat Shimano in the drivetrain race... it is all down to personal preferences and for me, i chose SRAM due to the hood shape which i liked, and double tap for introducing a brake lever that never swings... yes, campy also has a brake lever that does not swing but i dislike the hood shape and the elephant ear shift levers which is very annoying sometimes...

best to try it to make sure that you like it... i know some people are forced onto SRAM as Shimano replacement parts are sometimes hard to come by....
i believe it is a case of adjustment on your FD... get your bike shop to give it a quick tune up and it should do fine... remember to take it out for a ride check before you close case as what works well on the stand might not work well on the road... they'd know what to do... just trust them...

as of now... tiagra is not much difference to 105.. they've reduced much of the gap.. other than aesthetics and feel of the components... the differences are negligible.... previously tiagra was on 9 speed and upgrades to tiagra was a futile step as you obviously need to chuck it out of the window again if you decide to go 10s...

105 is the workhorse groupset of Shimano... you get the best value for money on 105, that is no mistake.
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oops missed this reply. thx..haha I didn't plan to upgrade to Sram, I'm pretty much satisfied with my 105..there are however some things that irks me everytime it happened..as I mentioned before..but it may need a little adjustment on the cabling etc..

in terms of performance upgrade maybe there will be very minimal feeling should one upgrade to a better groupset..I believe what will change is the experience of shifting..am I right? hmm.gif

I tested tiagra before on my friend's bike..I don't know but the shifting feeling is kinda plasticky..the cassette feels plasticky...I don't know how to described it lah. tongue.gif

105 is good..105 is goooood...i don't need a better groupset...i need a better legs...yea..legs thumbup.gif


Added on April 25, 2012, 7:07 pm
QUOTE(butthead @ Apr 25 2012, 05:53 PM)
what's wrong with a merida???

it's a reputable bike... and always remember (or you can hypnotize yourself) that merida owns 49% of specialize...  so, they are in some way un-related brothers...hahahhaha...
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merida is good..i've no complaint at all with my bike..but seems like I'm the only one here with that brand..or maybe there are others silent reader that is a merida owner rclxms.gif Only issue at the moment is the BB is making a nyek2 sound (normal riding is ok..but when pushing hard on a very steep climb than can hear that sound). I can send it for free service at my LBS but damn lazy to bring bike over there..the mechanics told me greasing it might solve the issue hmm.gif

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post Apr 25 2012, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Apr 25 2012, 07:04 PM)
oops missed this reply. thx..haha I didn't plan to upgrade to Sram, I'm pretty much satisfied with my 105..there are however some things that irks me everytime it happened..as I mentioned before..but it may need a little adjustment on the cabling etc..

in terms of performance upgrade maybe there will be very minimal feeling should one upgrade to a better groupset..I believe what will change is the experience of shifting..am I right?  hmm.gif

I tested tiagra before on my friend's bike..I don't know but the shifting feeling is kinda plasticky..the cassette feels plasticky...I don't know how to described it lah.  tongue.gif

105 is good..105 is goooood...i don't need a better groupset...i need a better legs...yea..legs   thumbup.gif


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merida is good..i've no complaint at all with my bike..but seems like I'm the only one here with that brand..or maybe there are others silent reader that is a merida owner  rclxms.gif  Only issue at the moment is  the BB is making a nyek2 sound (normal riding is ok..but when pushing hard on a very steep climb than can hear that sound). I can send it for free service at my LBS but damn lazy to bring bike over there..the mechanics told me greasing it might solve the issue  hmm.gif
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haha... SRAM is SRAM... not a lot of people might fall in love with it... it is not like the passionate and ever lovable brands like campagnolo where they have their loyal tier of users... well, each to their own is all i can say...

of course, feeling wise there is something different.. but not to the point where i would say it improves real world performances... manufacturer would have built subtleties into their higher end group that lets you feel the worthwhile of having to pay extra for it... for instance, if you compare your 105 to a DA drivetrain, you can notice things like... a 105 RD and cassette under full load upshift will produce a loud "klunk" when the chain engages to the sprockets while DA gets more of a muted "thakk" when engaging.. it is more apparent on carbon frames... even the feeling of the shifter engaging gears is a more crisp and accurate feel when comparing top tier to lower end...

you can read on first impressions like the Campy Super Records EPS and you noticed how they mention things like the crisp clicking dome like buttons of the EPS shifters that lets you feel that you have engage a shift compared to the electronic feed backless buttons of the Di2... it's sometimes the finer details that differentiate this groups and i think it is more apparent in Campy followed by Shimano... SRAM feels much alike across the board.. maybe someone might think differently...

i can assure you are not the only merida owner here in LYN... at least there are some MTBer in the MTB thread.. i saw some pics...

yeah... grease it and it should go away... creaks are the hardest thing to solve on the bike... sometimes where you suspect is actually not the culprit... they might try to convince you to change to a Chris King ceramic BB... this i foresee tongue.gif beware brows.gif

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Few of my friend rides a merida..

btw.. first time using a cadence/speed meter.. don't know how to interpret it.. got it for $40 USD, sensor only.

http://www.trainingpeaks.com/sw/GNWW5NVOAKMKAPETF3P4DYXK2Y
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QUOTE(butthead @ Apr 25 2012, 07:40 PM)
yeah... grease it and it should go away... creaks are the hardest thing to solve on the bike... sometimes where you suspect is actually not the culprit... they might try to convince you to change to a Chris King ceramic BB... this i foresee  tongue.gif  beware  brows.gif
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haha well how good is that Chris King ceramic BB? tongue.gif

BTW which bike shop around KL selling this FSA Omega Compact Handlebar? only 45USD...should be less than RM200 here in Malaysia...hopefully flex.gif

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http://www.competitivecyclist.com/product-...-4583.28.1.html


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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 25 2012, 10:26 PM)
Few of my friend rides a merida..
cool..and they are not in this thread? biggrin.gif

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think GH has em... saw they had quite a lot of FSA cranks, stems and posts last time... should be relatively cheap, but call to ask first..


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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 25 2012, 10:26 PM)
Few of my friend rides a merida..

btw.. first time using a cadence/speed meter.. don't know how to interpret it.. got it for $40 USD, sensor only.

http://www.trainingpeaks.com/sw/GNWW5NVOAKMKAPETF3P4DYXK2Y
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the ride is too short to produce any patterns...

but you can see within the first 5 minutes that you had a lot of coasting (blips) as you are heading down a slope most probably... varying around 75 to 80rpm on the up slopes from minute 5:45 onwards...

try to ride longer efforts (flats and downhill won't tell much) and keep the yellow line flatter if you are concentrating on cadence pedaling styles... don't look at the blips, too much fluctuations either means that you are not changing gears enough on gradient / slope changes to keep your cadence within the same zone or your legs are tired from spinning too briskly... you'll have to recall base on your experience with the recorded data...

the missing link here is the relation of your HR to the cadence as that tells a lot on whether you are stressing yourself running higher cadence or lower... to do this, you have to do multiple runs of the exact same route around the same speed with ample recovery in the middle to find which cadence produces the lowest heart rate... this would be an easy way for you to find a more natural cadence for yourself and work from there upwards on increasing it... a more stable climb that does not change gradient too much will help as well...

flats in comparison are easier, but you have to time your efforts as it is easier to coast on flats and mess up the graph unless you mentally note your interval timings down..

didn't know they calculate vertical ascent meters for you.. quite nifty...

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nearly got the scott cr1 team from KH, quite light and well equipped for the price.


why didn't you? or rather, what did you get...

wife pulled you out of the shop by your ear
Hehehe, fell in love with the italians and bought a willier trestina.

wife vmad.gif but wat to do, sold my ol bike dy..

Just to ask if we r climbing is't better to keep a higher cadence or lower cadence is better, possibly at wat range?
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QUOTE(gsrturbo @ Apr 26 2012, 10:52 AM)
Hehehe, fell in love with the italians and bought a willier trestina.

wife  vmad.gif  but wat to do, sold my ol bike dy..

Just to ask if we r climbing is't better to keep a higher cadence or lower cadence is better, possibly at wat range?
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Nice2 Italian design..hehe how much bro your trestina costs? smile.gif
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QUOTE(gsrturbo @ Apr 26 2012, 10:52 AM)
Hehehe, fell in love with the italians and bought a willier trestina.

wife  vmad.gif  but wat to do, sold my ol bike dy..

Just to ask if we r climbing is't better to keep a higher cadence or lower cadence is better, possibly at wat range?
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I think cadence could be personal and no such thing as ideal.. I think maintaining the cadence so your effort of pedalling doesn't differ too much is more important
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any brand would do la .. as long as u use it to kayuh ..
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QUOTE(gsrturbo @ Apr 26 2012, 10:52 AM)
Hehehe, fell in love with the italians and bought a willier trestina.

wife  vmad.gif  but wat to do, sold my ol bike dy..

Just to ask if we r climbing is't better to keep a higher cadence or lower cadence is better, possibly at wat range?
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who doesn't like the italians... they have flair and flamboyance... the americans have beer and cheese burgers...(sorry, lousy and pointless comparisons)

wife's are like that... that is their primary role in a marriage and if they don't do it... they lose all purposes... as to my friends expert recommendation (if you'd like a divorce in my personal opinion) is to b**** slap that co.. ...... (sorry, don't want to finish that last 2 words or i will get permaban, you get the idea)... i doubt he did it anyways, since he is still pretty much tied to and nagged by his "beloved" wife everyday...

cadence have many factors, it depends largely on the type of muscle fibres you have and you will train for... and largely due to your cardiovascular capabilities...

there is scientific ways and not so scientific ways to find out... you can use a more capable computer that has HR and cadence or you can just do it how your grand-daddy did it... by feel..

QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Apr 26 2012, 01:50 PM)
I think cadence could be personal and no such thing as ideal.. I think maintaining the cadence so your effort of pedalling doesn't differ too much is more important
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seconded... best to watch your efforts with some data monitoring tools if you cannot feel it with your jedi force... or the dark side is clouding your mind...

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QUOTE(noprob @ Apr 26 2012, 02:01 PM)
any brand would do la .. as long as u use it to kayuh ..
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like that, those from carrefour and tesco count or not? hahaha

but it is true... if you are just going out for fun and enjoying the scenery... having any bike will do, as long as there are no nails on the saddle threatening to stab your fish balls and stuff like that...

people like us is the reason why the term "bike geeks" exists..

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