that's why i'm asking, tuah tail light can cost a difference of 25k from 75k?

as long as proton find the right manufacturer for mass production, i don't see why expensive to produce.

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Added on February 22, 2012, 1:17 pmmass production products is cheap, and safety not an issue, as long as the parts install properly, it will hold.

if you have been in the manufacturing industries, and had been in china before, u know what i'm talking.

Edit: led suppose to be reliable, as long as there is no hanky panky deal

This post has been edited by stargate8: Feb 22 2012, 01:18 PM

here http://paultan.org/2012/02/22/yes-4g-proto...online-contest/

it's not car for sale, but car for their online winner

This post has been edited by dadurtyz: Feb 22 2012, 01:25 PM

You'll care when you need to replace them because they were poorly made.

Also, changing one part also affects other parts, ie: in order to make a lamp on the bootlid, you will have to design the bootlid with mounting points for the lamp, as well as places to route the wiring which may interfere with other parts on the bootlid, or even on the chassis itself, and then you have to worry about water leaking into the boot or the lamp because of gaps etc.etc. Of course, this is just a hypothetical example of how one minor thing can cause alot of headache.

So in the end it's not only about manufacturing one part, but a design choices that could cause the overall production cost to increase because of a fancy lamp.

But I'm not an engineer, so what do I know?

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Added on February 22, 2012, 1:33 pmI am having some brake and door rubber problems with my brand new Saga, and I'm seeing lot's of niggling QC problem with Proton's current line of products eg. rattling interiors, bootlids that are hard to close etc. etc. which you will no doubt see when you visit their SCs.

So I am talking about Proton, not China.

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 22 2012, 01:34 PM

yes, simply put, proton does not have the R&D capability to make anything further than an entry level car.

we have gone pass the age which function over form. design and practicality can come together.

your point on the second paragraph is all about ----------> industrial design/ car design.

no, in modern world, designer doesnt just use a pencil to draw it out. they use computer programs, and they work with engineers to make it happen, thats why we no longer have boxy cars. if we're still worrring about boot lit and lamp will cause water leakage, means proton wasted 25 years doing nothing.

thats why, if wanna buy, buy rebadge car, jap thought of everything already.

but still, i think this p3-21 looks quite good, and the rear light, lets wait until the actual car comes out.

That's why I say, it's a Proton car, hard to expect both form and function that satisfies all of us. If they gonna choose between form and function/reliability, I'd rather they choose the latter. Italdesign can come up with the most outrageous design money can buy, but Proton perhaps is not capable of engineering a practical and reliable car out of those design within reasonable cost.

EDIT: I actually thought the rear lamps as it is to be OK

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 22 2012, 01:56 PM

+1.

if proton wanna really become a world class player with this new car, they shud hav learn from hyundai / kia. their cars that once became joke to us but now juz look at their car and build quality. learn how they managed to improve a lot in shorter time than the proton itself. juz my 2cents.

the side tail light with the ones attached to the boot of the P321A is a line of running Led light at the top, and a normal,round shape brake light below the LED light..

sorry to hear that your brand new saga got QC problem, lets hope proton improve their QC and assembly skills.

i'm also talking about proton, and i dont really agree on the expensive tail light to produce and affect the overall production cost.
parts can be produce in china cheaply, parts quality is not a problem, just pay a little bit more.

its all about the skill of worker that assemble those parts, and QC.

dont tell me that after 25yrs, proton still having trouble in precision.

well no hard feeling, just my POV.

also agreed wit this. btw back to the topic. the p3-21a hav a headlight buzzer? woww... my 2001 waja also hav that...

hmm, tail light not led ke?

Edit: donno if its me only seeing, some cars tail light led but 3rd brake light not led.




This post has been edited by stargate8: Feb 22 2012, 02:45 PM

No worries Just sharing.

I agree that QC problem stems from the assembly line, but don't forget those lousy vendors.

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 22 2012, 02:39 PM

Cheers

what to do, proton not being strict with them... mentality "ini bukan duit saya, duit grandpa mar", we the consumer suffer lor.

Cronyism la. That's why la I say different from China. Malaysian vendors pay them more money also same quality wan.

copy from the original design but proton's banyak fugly

PROTON!!! Y U NO COPY CORRECTLY

hi bro mat...any idea / clue about this car ?

Hiding a Myvi in a Proton showroom!!!

look at the shape
look more like a hatchback/MPV

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Feb 22 2012, 03:21 PM

lolx..look like a savvy.. -.-!!! R3 version?

savvy has been dumped/discontinued