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TSeverling
post Aug 27 2012, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Aug 27 2012, 06:26 PM)
thx for the info.. was thinking to get wd red but many said that in NAS they would perform.. if only for single home use better try seagate 3tb... but 3 years warranty scheme would buy me in...
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For single home use, high performance HDDs are also unnecessary for a few reasons.
  1. SSDs are far better performers and the capacity/price has become fairly affordable; 120 GB should satisfy most users.
  2. Even if you do not want to buy an SSD for some reason, the average performance HDDs of today are still plenty fast.
  3. You are likely to be bottlenecked at 1 Gbps Ethernet (125 MB/s), USB 2.0 (30MB/s), 100 Mbps Ethernet (12.5 MB/s), 5 Mbps Unifi (0.625 MB/s) and so on.
  4. With multiple internal HDDs or external USB 3.0 HDDs that have similar performance, you could transfer at full speed but you will rarely do it nor need that kind of performance.

The three years warranty and out-of-the-box compatibility for (potential) NAS usage (which is not the average home use) are fair reasons to buy the WD Red. The only remaining issue is the cost.
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post Aug 28 2012, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 27 2012, 07:17 PM)
For single home use, high performance HDDs are also unnecessary for a few reasons.
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[*]SSDs are far better performers and the capacity/price has become fairly affordable; 120 GB should satisfy most users.
[*]Even if you do not want to buy an SSD for some reason, the average performance HDDs of today are still plenty fast.
[*]You are likely to be bottlenecked at 1 Gbps Ethernet (125 MB/s), USB 2.0 (30MB/s), 100 Mbps Ethernet (12.5 MB/s), 5 Mbps Unifi (0.625 MB/s) and so on.
[*]With multiple internal HDDs or external USB 3.0 HDDs that have similar performance, you could transfer at full speed but you will rarely do it nor need that kind of performance.
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post Aug 28 2012, 04:52 PM

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hello all sifu here.
just wanna ask, is Seagate Barracuda 2TB (ST2000DM001) is better than WD 2TB Caviar Red?


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post Aug 29 2012, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(-bLiZZarD- @ Aug 28 2012, 04:52 PM)
hello all sifu here.
just wanna ask, is Seagate Barracuda 2TB (ST2000DM001) is better than WD 2TB Caviar Red?
What do you want to use it for? Using it as a single disk or using it for NAS? Do you know that one is with 1 year warranty and the other is with 3 year warranty?

Outright speed, the Barracuda is slightly faster.

Which is better? You need to weight the pros and cons and choose it yourself.
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post Aug 30 2012, 08:55 AM

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nice. the chirping is gone. before this i heard every several minutes!

the new firmware only programmed into a chip, data is inside a platter, so this procedure won't harmed your data.
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post Aug 30 2012, 01:26 PM

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Hi, does Toshiba DT01ACA Series suitable for NAS and which is better when compared with WD red.
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post Aug 30 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(-bLiZZarD- @ Aug 28 2012, 04:52 PM)
hello all sifu here.
just wanna ask, is Seagate Barracuda 2TB (ST2000DM001) is better than WD 2TB Caviar Red?
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The Seagate HDD isn't designed for NAS usage.

QUOTE(marck @ Aug 30 2012, 01:26 PM)
Hi, does Toshiba DT01ACA SeriesĀ  suitable for NAS and which is better when compared with WD red.
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The Toshiba HDD isn't designed for NAS usage.

If you want to buy a HDD for NAS, the WD Red is better. The WD Red also has better paper specifications than Toshiba's HDD.

Funnily enough, the WD Red is also superior to the WD Green in all respects, including power consumption, on paper. Maybe it is due to the platter technology used in the currently available models.

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post Aug 30 2012, 05:38 PM

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hi all hard disk enthusiasts,

i saw the price of HDD online at hardwarezone malaysia (viewnet pricing)...comparing the price of WD Cavier black 1TB which is RM319 and the hitachi 1TB is also at RM319, which would be the better buy?

preferably a reliable internal hard disk for replacement as my WD passport (the one with dock) died on me...
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post Aug 30 2012, 07:11 PM

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guys need your help.
my Dell V13 cannot detect my HDD in BIOS.
the error show when boot from HDD

PXE-E61: Media test failure. check cable
PXE-M0F: Exiting PXE ROM.
Operating System not found

i try to replace my HDD with a SSD i just bought. same error appeared.
and cant detect SSD in BIOS also..

could it be my BIOS need updated?
or mobo / bios is damaged?
or the SATA cable is damanged?

appreciate sifus help
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post Aug 30 2012, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 30 2012, 02:41 PM)
The Seagate HDD isn't designed for NAS usage.
The Toshiba HDD isn't designed for NAS usage.

If you want to buy a HDD for NAS, the WD Red is better. The WD Red also has better paper specifications than Toshiba's HDD.

Funnily enough, the WD Red is also superior to the WD Green in all respects, including power consumption, on paper. Maybe it is due to the platter technology used in the currently available models.
That's true but the Toshiba HD that is trickling in slowly from the old Hitachi factory in Shenzen are actually based on Hitachi design. When Hitachi was Hitachi back then, they were reliable and they had one of the faster drives out there. They ran fine in RAID. I hope they come back in a big way through Toshiba. At the way its' going, there's too few players in the market that consumers get played out and bullied by WD and Seagate.

Anyway, Samsung hardisk were also not specifically for NAS but runs reliably in RAID.

QUOTE(KayK @ Aug 30 2012, 05:38 PM)
hi all hard disk enthusiasts,

i saw the price of HDD online at hardwarezone malaysia (viewnet pricing)...comparing the price of WD Cavier black 1TB which is RM319 and the hitachi 1TB is also at RM319, which would be the better buy?

preferably a reliable internal hard disk for replacement as my WD passport (the one with dock) died on me...
WD bought over Hitachi and perhaps WD is controlling Hitachi prices?

I was also tempted to get the Hitachi 7200rpm 2TB drives and they cost the same as the 2TB WD Red. But then again, I wanted the higher capacity 3TB and the only one available is the WD Red.

Anyway, back to your question... If the Black is the same price as the Hitachi, I would go for the Black because of the longer warranty.


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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2012, 10:20 PM)
WD bought over Hitachi and perhaps WD is controlling Hitachi prices?

I was also tempted to get the Hitachi 7200rpm 2TB drives and they cost the same as the 2TB WD Red. But then again, I wanted the higher capacity 3TB and the only one available is the WD Red.

Anyway, back to your question... If the Black is the same price as the Hitachi, I would go for the Black because of the longer warranty.
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thanks for the feedback...perhaos i should go for black then...
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2012, 10:20 PM)
Anyway, Samsung hardisk were also not specifically for NAS but runs reliably in RAID.
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They might run reliably enough, but they also aren't designed for RAID.
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post Sep 1 2012, 03:53 PM

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guys, can u tell me for 2TB range, is hitachi the most reliable brand after wd's black?
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QUOTE(turion64 @ Sep 1 2012, 03:53 PM)
guys, can u tell me for 2TB range, is hitachi the most reliable brand after wd's black?
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from my research, that seems to be true in terms of reliability..but the stock for 2TB 7k3000 drives are very rare already since WD took over..u can try to search for it in LYP though..
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About Seagate Momentus XT 320gb... don't see it in any price lists. Seems like not very popular but I'm interested in getting one for my laptop. 120gb SSD is too small and I feel 500gb Momentus XT is too big.

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post Sep 3 2012, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 30 2012, 02:41 PM)
The Seagate HDD isn't designed for NAS usage.
The Toshiba HDD isn't designed for NAS usage.

If you want to buy a HDD for NAS, the WD Red is better. The WD Red also has better paper specifications than Toshiba's HDD.

Funnily enough, the WD Red is also superior to the WD Green in all respects, including power consumption, on paper. Maybe it is due to the platter technology used in the currently available models.
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Well, in terms of performance Green should be still better. The reason why Red is better in power consumption, temperature, life time is due to NASware. Don't forget you are paying an extra RM50 on top of the Green drives, and most of the time the Red will spin at 5400 rpm (which contribute to lower power consumption as well)..

Lowest price i manage to find in Penang is RM379 at official WD outlets. For some reason, other distributors and computer shops are selling at a higher price. hmm.gif
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post Sep 3 2012, 11:28 AM

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RM379 is for what capacity? I just bought a WD red 3TB for RM549 at queensbay mall.

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post Sep 3 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Sep 3 2012, 10:11 AM)
Well, in terms of performance Green should be still better. The reason why Red is better in power consumption, temperature, life time is due to NASware. Don't forget you are paying an extra RM50 on top of the Green drives, and most of the time the Red will spin at 5400 rpm (which contribute to lower power consumption as well)..

Lowest price i manage to find in Penang is RM379 at official WD outlets. For some reason, other distributors and computer shops are selling at a higher price.  hmm.gif
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Greens spin at 5400RPM too, but WD won't tell you that. smile.gif

And the platter data density has a very strong effect in sequential read/write performance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/red-wd...nas,3248-4.html

But I didn't know that it had worse access times than the Greens. sad.gif

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I guess that is how WD intends to keep the Greens more attractive for non-RAID use. When the Greens gets updated with the same platters that the Reds are using now, the Greens should have better performance than the Reds.
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Sep 3 2012, 11:28 AM)
RM379 is for what capacity? I just bought a WD red 3TB for RM549 at queensbay mall.
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RM379 for 2TB.

RM549 for 3TB abt just right. Sigh, I'm still waiting for my stock to arrive at QBM. They only have 1TB stock left yesterday sad.gif.

everling : i thought Green spins variably, can hit 7200 rpm if needed. Yeah when they get updated with platters in Red they should perform better than red. but i dont expect them to get the same firmware as the ones in Red smile.gif
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QUOTE(Fjive @ Sep 2 2012, 11:55 PM)
from my research, that seems to be true in terms of reliability..but the stock for 2TB 7k3000 drives are very rare already since WD took over..u can try to search for it in LYP though..
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oic. thanks for that. anyone knows does 7k4000 (4TB) out in local market d ?

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