haha if the thing is useless no point i tell you it's umph la. afterall i'm not the one making the money but from the sales of this air charger thing it seems like other cars are getting quite alot of good feedbacks. hurmmm maybe can plug into my new forte and try.. but i want to keep it stock.

minor mod only Plonk in turbo is big story though

Sabby tered less active, less people, easier to control. People tend to be real and honest here

normally it "worked", money already paid. It has to be some improvement, be it in the mind or on the butt. We call it butt dyno instead of wheel dyno horse power

so davidke, how do u find d slut bar? haha

i did find it provides a slightly more responsive front end, which i'm looking for. also i added a pair of spring buffer at d rear d same evening n d effect on handling is even greater. =)

Lotsa lotsa lotsa vibration In my opinion, does not help much. Steering feels heavier than usual, especially doing hard corner, feels secure and lots of feedback. Going over speed bumps can feel the front end rigidity improved. Last time senget go over bump can avoid sagat, now kenot ady

HAha i think so. eh your open pod not gonna cover it up? when you splash water then the filter will be in deep shit. haha

do ARB as well. then that would be the best!

Open pork ar? Been open on my any other cars for so many years, never had problem splashing water on them. I'm rather worried on exhaust. Besides, if water kena that part kaw kaw, I supposed the 1st thing gone will be the ECU

No tengkiu If you have any idea what is a real anti roll bar, then you'll agree not to put that thing on a torsion beam. Sorry drex. I will never do that, but I won't stop others to do it

If only I have half of David's knowledge about all these

This is an ANTI ROLL BAR

The piece of metal between the lower arm braces each other together, reinforced the entire rear movement by limiting each side of the wheel differ from each other. For example during a right turn, left wheels taking more force, your right wheel tend to lift your car and terbabas to the left. With ARB, your car will glue to the ground. With ARB, it reduces bodyroll during extensive corner/rapid sway roads. However, wrong size of ARB installed may cause fracture to chassis work or may tear your lower arm apart. ARB strength on the same car shall never exceed 10% then the spring (which we have absolutely no idea how to calculate)

This is NOT anti roll bar.

Torsion beam itself is an anti roll bar already. Whatever ARB do to multilink, torsion beam does the same with much more strength. By adding a piece of metal to that already strong torsion beam simply implicate it reinforce the torsion beam's rigidity.

REAL ANTI ROLL BAR for TORSION BEAM
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This post has been edited by davidke20: Nov 26 2012, 07:15 AM

Slut bar is more important in my opinion

David I gotta not agree with you on this. you need to know we put ARB on not because we want to sapu corner 24/7 @ high speed just more towards stabilizing the car when we are really into a deep shit situation. If ARB really do that much harm those existing cars with ARB on the road will be in deep shit ady. Well if you really do take corner @ 100km/h for example.. you might have been dead before anything happen to the car.

Chill bro. I was saying that thing ULAR selling is NOT a real anti roll bar. If it has to be a name on it, let's call it a "torsion beam reinforcement bar". Feel free to consult drex regarding this matter. I also commented, "anti roll bar" should not exceed 10% of suspension strength. Assuming soft spring is applied with an ultra thick ARB, during hard corners ARB will force the inner wheel down, which will result extreme tension to the mounting point. So, let's assume 19mm ARB u installed on ur Sabby has not exceeded 10% spring stiffness, by right it will not do harm to the suspension/chassis work.

By default, chassis rigidity were fully balanced by the engineer in Plotong. I believe our tofu beam is strong enough to take on hard corners whilst keeping the ass on the ground. I do not install such bar simply because I do not enjoy the INflexibility. I bearly discouraging anyone to install that "torsion beam reinforcement bar". With that bar on your torsion beam, it can strengthen your torsion beam rigidity further, not surprise it brings more stability, but surely it is NOT an "anti roll bar".

I seldom corner at 100kmh, mostly 60-80kmh only. Tayar mahal bang. Again if my comment butthurt, I'd like to apologize. Pls don't curse me go dai

davidke,

ur car has lotsa vibration after installing strut bar? (maybe u always tink she's a slut who likes to use huge vibrator??) LOL...

mine dun hv tis issue wor. just SLIGHTLY better steering feedback n a SLIGHTLY more responsive front end when cornering. but other than tat not much other effects. suspension firmness also no change at all when going tru bumps or uneven roads.

kidmad,

davidke is right, it's actually not an ARB. just some genuis at UR branded it tat way. it's a 'torsion beam reinforcement bar'. however i gotta agree with u tat it does give quite a significant effect on handling as i'm using one on my BLM plus a set of rear spring buffer plus front strut n front lower bar.

but on my savvy i dont think it's needed so i just add rear spring buffer plus front strut n i can corner faster n flatter than my BLM liaw despite skinner tyres.. hehe.

Exactly, slut bar is more important

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Added on November 26, 2012, 12:30 pmExactly, slut bar is more important

This post has been edited by flex3x: Nov 26 2012, 12:30 PM

and by default, all cars are tuned to understeer (stiffer front end, softer rear end) as it's easier to control (for beginners) by just lifting off d throttle when d front tyres lose grip.

but for us slightly above beginner levels, we prefer a more balanced handling while cornering. thus d strenghtening of rear end is a common way to do it. but overdo it is a no-no as it will turn into a drift car n it's very dangerous to drive especially on wet roads!

my 2 cents. hope this helps.

Haha to be honest the naming of the product doesn't really matter. There much more wrongly use technical term in the IT world but the main important thing is that it fits its purpose. Yea I had it in my blm as well all I can say the cornering was great. Ihave not tested it though in my savvy.

What I wanted to refer is not about ARB, Sifu Dave. It's all the switch and technical knowledge you have

Vibration as in tremendous steering feedback. Hitting a stone, potholes, even squash an ant also can be feltnow

You don't feel it bcoz u didn't pay attention to your steering work BEFORE installing slut bar. My car is even more obvious bcoz my tayar already sagat, so now it sagat even more often

Fren,

Torsion beam reinforcement will increase torsion rigidity, meaning less flex for our tofu beam liao. If less flex means both tayar akan stick on the ground. When that happened, you have more room to play with your front wheel's grip, either choose to continue attack corner kaw kaw until overspeed, or lift off understeer. It provide stability & secure the rear end during action.

It has more effect on BLM simply bcoz both our Sabby & GaGa share the same platform, whereas GaGa has a huge ass. With the extra weight BEHIND torsion beam, it will result in more lateral force when attacking corner compare to Sabby. Therefore installing torsion reinforcement in GaGa can actually help to reduce lateral force by strong torsion beam pulling the inner wheel down during corner.

However, my concern is not on the reinforcement torsion. The more I worried is on the chassis itself. Like kidmad said, if I everyday 24/7 go attack corner 100kmh, before the car I probably dai 1st. I feel my tofu beam is fine, I don't feel changing it. However, the rear lower bar is my concern. Our Sabby got a small tail, doesn't have strut at the back. On top of the cute ass is our pretty tail gate. Imagine during corner, where does all lateral force compressed into? That's right! Front the rear storage area all the way u to roof without anything to support!!! Chassis flex happened on the car before the torsion beam itself being bent.

My next target, rear lower bar. Instead of reinforce the tofu beam, might as well brace the member to increase chassis rigidity These are my personal opinion, until I find my tofu beam not sufficient then I will reconsider to strenghten the beam But probably before that will but sport abs & sport spring first

Pls bear in mind fellas, David corner his Gaga til his rear wheels kangkang. An ARB will mosdef destroy his tofu beam / trailing arm

Woi I drib gently wokeh

great sharing there bro.