your links explain nothing.

Oh?
If not wrong, there is even an animation vid on how Stiff Rings help...in mass production vehicles.
Or similarly, pls Google for Rigid Collars by Spoon for videos of similar nature.

For a more direct approach, perhaps yu can try email yr queries to : info@stiffring.com

Or even call Chin @ 012-670 5167 for a more personal communication?

Best wishes & Good Luck!

ps. Juz wanna make it very clear that me hv nothing to do with Stiff Rings except as a satisfied customer...

This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 28 2012, 12:08 PM

ok lol

Hi the_catacombs was enquiring about how stiff rings in crossmember can improve handling , we all know stiff rings are fitted in subframe ... but crossmember is different ... hope this help u understand whats going on

yes i would like to know too

stiff ring/mr chin any comments just to clear our doubts?

OIC...ok...
Me not know/realise the diff there...paiseh...
Sincere apologies, Bro...

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Added on February 28, 2012, 3:05 pmSincerely hope Mr Chin/Stiff Ring ppl do come in here, read yr posts soon & can kindly clarify....

This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 28 2012, 03:06 PM

Hi all,

Sorry for the late respond.

For more efficient communication, contact us via info@stiffring.com / our facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140

FYI,

Crossmember/Subframe at some points is used to support the car engine/transmission/steering rack and it's also used to hold and give support to the car suspension setup. It's tighten directly to the car chassis to suppose maintain the car geometry setup.

The imperfect is happen in this situation where the crossmember/subframe is able to move and not perfectly align to the car chassis due to the big bolt hole. A small position shift occur on the car crossmember/subframe during a stress situation will cause a big compromise on the suspension setup.

Thus, eliminating this problem will helps on the car handling.

Hope this helps.
Thank you,
Stiff Ring
www.stiffring.com

subframe yes, how about specifically cross member where it is supposedly bolted tight and supposedly would not move?

if the subframe and the bolt totally no gap, then there is 100% no movement....if the bolt n subframe got minimal gap, then there is where u need to instal stiff ring to seal d gap in between

correct me if im wrong

This post has been edited by huakenny: Mar 1 2012, 12:01 PM

that is what we can understand, what about cross members where supposedly there isnt any gap for movement? i did noticed that the holes are bigger than the screw itself though, that consider gap? though that is within the screw position, not so much gap between the cross member and the main chassis

Please.. i did mention in my earlier replies... CrossMember and Subframe are totally 2 different things... please understand the latest up-to-date discussion here tqvm .

show photos here la to make things clear bro. alot of ppl not sure which is subframe and crossmember

http://www.google.com.my/search?q=car+cros...zL8nmrAex_bitDQ

this is what old cars (like our iswara) has.

while newer cars:
http://www.google.com.my/search?q=car+cros...iw=1280&bih=679

we all on same page now?

Your fast... Btw doing the rings later ?

stiff ring dude havent contacted me le, not sure if the new bolt fabrication/production takes long or something, or maybe still headaching how to make the cross member being effective with stiff ring installed? (wouldn't want a dissatisfied customer now do we? )

the subframe should be seen in some cars like myvi, while crossmember is the thing in kancil? not really go n look onto it...my shops got alot

crossmember got gap o not, i hv to really dismantle one and check if got time later

This post has been edited by huakenny: Mar 1 2012, 12:39 PM

in general, yeah, subframe for new cars, crossmember for old/legacy cars.

and from what i can see la, no gap wo.

i try to snap some photos la when my men got dismantle later

thanks bro

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Added on March 1, 2012, 6:03 pm
LOL i just called chin from stiff rings and he said 3-4 weeks.

so confirmed that we wont be seeing stiff rings in action at dato sagor lo

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Mar 1 2012, 06:03 PM

3-4 weeks for...custom production?
Or...?