I've been talking to Kyre Drums about some custom work
Probably going to spring for a Maple 13 x 6 snare with wood hoops. I'm looking for something punchy which I can tune up high and dry, while retaining maximal sensitivity. Thoughts or suggestions?
Thick ply hoops only change the body of the drum sound (i.e. striking the centre of the head with no rim involvement) by virtue of the change in mass they bring to the party. The reason being, is they bring so little resonance of their own into the mix. Ply single flange wooden hoops with claws however are a bit different, but I assume we're talking about Yamaha style chunky hoops here? Those thick ply hoops will offer a different rimshot & cross stick sound though, although typically, quite dead.
Solid segmented or solid steambent 1 or 2 ply hoops are a different animal. Especially if made from the same wood as the shell, they add a considerable degree of voice to the sound. Essentially, they reinforce the shell fundamental. The reason being is they resonate far more readily, they're much easier to excite, despite their bulk.
Tight and Punchy? Sounds like a head and tuning thing
Since your gonna do some custom work, why not try out other woods such as Bubinga, Oak, Ash, Walnut, Purpleheart? Unless of course you like the sound of a maple one.
Remember that you should buy the drum because of the sound alone, not because it's "custom" and you'll feel all giddy about owning something with a custom label thrown onto it.
Seriously Isaac, you should check out some Guru Snares since your into the custom route. They're top notch. Watch the recording, as it's a honest audio captures - no EQ. Two overheads & kick, compared to close mic's.
HAHA. Yes, the thick wooden hoops. I actually like the sound of the wooden rim shots and cross stick tones, having used DWs with wooden hoops previously. I'm getting rounder, 60 degree bearing edges for my batter side, and sharp 45 degree cuts for my snare side, for a more focused tone.
As for the tight and punchy one, it is a head and tuning thing, but of course, the shell does make a difference. But speaking of that, I'm probably going to go for an Evans Black Chrome top over a Hazy 300. I love that combination. A 13 x 6 is deep enough for versatility, while still being able to provide a nice pop at the top.
I've considered Oak, as I was really close to buying a Mushashi, and I've used it several times before. (: But I'm looking for a slightly brighter fundamental tone. Ash would be too bright. I've considered Bubinga, but I won't get the chance to play the snare first, and I've never played a pure Bubinga snare before. The closest I've come is the Starclassic Bubinga/Birch, which sounds good.
Honestly, I'm buying a custom snare for the sound and the looks. I'll get to customize it how I want (: the design and the tone.
I am considering a couple of alternatives if it doesn't go through though, like the Ludwig Supraphonic for general all around goodness, or an acrylic Spaun, for kicks. The one I'll most likely get if I don't go for the Kyre is probably a DW Maple or a Mapex Black Panther Maple/Walnut. . HAHA.
I was actually talking more about what size of snares you guys like, and why? (:
Currently using a 14 x 5 DW birch snare. But very interested in Gavin Harrisons' Protean 12" snare drum, has a nice crack to it and playing a 12" would give a totally different feel.
How much is the Kyre snare gonna set you back?
How is the DW? (: I love smaller snares, but I've used a lot of piccolos, and now I'm looking for something that Is be able to use for recording more, cause the engineers ive worked with don't really like the piccolos I've used, and I have to agree with them regarding the tone, especially while recording. HAHA. Live tones are amazing though. Been using a brass Yamaha and a Steel Pearl. So, I'm going for something a bit more all rounded now.
QUOTE(Party2DMax @ Mar 7 2013, 11:25 AM)
Nice nice, that's a working man's kit!
I'll always get a 14x6.5" because I started with this size so I want to keep at least one variable constant. Too many variables to play with. I also like the "big" sound for a drum of this size, for lack of a better word to describe it. It's not only the sound, the feel when you play it too. I have no idea why it feels bigger, maybe because my eyes tell me it's bigger haha.
Punchy, high and dry... first thing on my mind is Stewart Copeland. He uses a metal snare drum but I think stave shells can do that just as well but with more meat. Wood shells sound more meaty to my ears.
What's the pricing like on the Kyre drums? More value for money than assembling it from pre-cut (bearing edge included) shells and hardware?
HAHA. I see. I like the Stewart Copeland Yamaha. (: precisely. I've used mostly metal snares prior to this, but I've recently acquired a taste for warmer snares.
I'm still not sure, we've been talking about specifications, but no exact figure has been mentioned yet. HAHA. I'd do it, if I could find someone to help me with the woodwork, and the designing. HAHA.
This post has been edited by isaacmiranda7: Mar 7 2013, 11:45 AM
The DW is a really versatile snare, heavy and solid and responsive. I have it tuned tight so that it gives a sharp crack and since birch has a higher pitch than maple, it really does cut thru the music.
That's nice. I've played a Yamaha Birch Custom kit before, and I like the tone of birch, especially for the toms. HAHA. How sensitive is it? In terms of ghost notes, etc.
QUOTE(5p3ak @ Mar 7 2013, 12:42 PM)
Black Chrome? Haven't tried it yet...
Oak and Ash? Custom mah.
Yeah The BP is good, really dig the sound. Can make it to a Phat sound too.
Since you're gonna be recording...Ludwig Supraphonic will fit the bill nicely.
HAHA. Again, my budget isn't exactly unlimited, so yeah. I'm waiting for a possible sale of my drums this weekend. If it goes through, I'll get it. (:
I like the Supraphonic, but I looking for something a bit more unique.
It's really sensitive, i even use it for jazz (caveat: Not really a jazz cat) . And ghost notes sound...well...ghostly...haha. Really nice and responsive.
How much did it set you back? (: Do you guys notice differences in sensitivity in different depths of drums?
It's really sensitive, i even use it for jazz (caveat: Not really a jazz cat) . And ghost notes sound...well...ghostly...haha. Really nice and responsive.
How much did it set you back? (: Do you guys notice differences in sensitivity in different depths of drums?
Hahaha...dont remind me...more than RM2k it cost me.
The Kyre snare, with the specs I told you about, cost just over RM1k. Now I'm seriously thinking about adding some exotic wood finishes. HAHAHA.
QUOTE(OH- @ Mar 7 2013, 04:33 PM)
Today I feel regret. After 5 years of playing drums, I never tried to consistently play and practice with a metronome. And today I realize my timing sucks so bad
Ohhhh, that sounds reasonable. Haha, i may consider asking them to make a 12" snare similar to the protean snare.
If you do get the Kyre snare i think it's your obligation to post a recording of it...haha
HAHA Most probably getting it, if I manage to sell my Ludwig Epic kit this weekend. Would anyone here be interested? I could probably get an extra crash or so as well, or, another Kyre. HAHAHA. 10 x 3 popcorn snare.
Currently I'm still using the snare that came with my kit 14x5.5 Mapex M Birch Snare. Haven't really tried all the head and tuning possibilities yet though.
Wait so your snare is gonna be in a Ply wood form not Stave or steam bent?
Not ply wood, but wood plies, yes. HAHA. In the designing stage now. HAHA.
currently im using DW Collectors Maple VLT 13 x 6.5....love the warm and crack of it...
QUOTE(5p3ak @ Mar 9 2013, 08:29 AM)
Yeah I meant to say wood plies
Ehh, lots of people here using DW orh. HAHA. I'm having a hard time designing the snare. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO PUT. HAHA. It's almost confirmed I'll be getting it. I'll also probably get another dozen Heartbeat sticks and a case from New Folder Cases. HAHA.
I've got a couple of shows coming up shortly. Both at the Paradox Art Cafe, on the 24th, and the 27th. 24th is an open mic event, from 3 onwards, and the RAWR!!! Acoustic Sessions will be from seven till late next Wednesday night!
Which drummers have influenced your playing the most? (:
In there past year or so, line would have to be Mike Johnston, and Travis Orbin. Travis, for his style of ghosting, and polyrhythms, which I've started to incorporate into my playing, and well, you can learn something new from every Mike John Aston video. (: HAHA.
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