currently running my AMD X2 3800+ @ 2430MHz 1.6v (stable for more than 24 hours prime and memtest), and the motherboard is Gigabyte K8NS Ultra 939.



with my current water cooling set, prime for 24 hours and the temperature is maintain about 54C, without aircond, if i on my aircond, the temperature is about 48C.

i was told that gigabyte is not good for OC, I am planning to get a DFI NF4, and a new 7800GT PCI-E. I am wondering, will this new motherboard can help me OC more with lower voltage?

I had tested so many combination of the BIOS configuration, and my RAM for sure can do DDR520 2.7v 3-4-4-8-1T, i just dont know why my CPU can't OC more....

need your guru suggestion, will the new DFI NF4 help? and which model should I go? I will buy a 7800GT PCI-E at the same time, but my budget for the mobo is around RM600 only.

that vcore's pretty high for a 3800+ to get 2.4ghz

what's the steppings of your cpu?

the stepping is as show on my first attachement.

but the CPU is actually a Toledo 512KB version, which is 1MB disabled unit.

babyelf means the stepping code on top of the IHS of the CPU.

if you haven't checked the steppings how'd u know?

Wat's a safe voltage for a processor actually..?

The CPU-Z dispaly the proc as Manchester, but, how do you know it is Toledo? is it CDBOX and BVBOX thingy? I've heard somebody told me the same thing too, which the CPU-Z display the wrong info. By the way, here's mine, donno Manchester or Toledo screen shot @ 2500MHz @ 1.39V, Currently priming at 1.38V. water cooled with homemade water block Max load @ 43C, at sunny day and non-air conditioned room.


This post has been edited by Lemon: Nov 6 2005, 08:29 PM

latest everest ultimate edition reported Toledo-512, and the batch is something end with AA5CD, and forumer from Anandtech said ending with CD usually is a disabled toledo.

can anyone tell me will the DFI NF4 have a better oc than my current mobo?

why not use 10x multiplier? with w/cooling i suppose u dont need to drop the multiplier.... or maybe the HT multiplier?

1.392v voltage only... Impressive.. My Athlon64 3000+ over 1.5v adi.. =\

CD is E6

my experience.. DFI will give better overclock and will have a higher HTT limit..

NF3 Ultra Chipset might have problems reaching too high of a HTT for you to clock it too high with a 9 multiplier..

and i do'nt recall gigabyte giving the option of increasing the chipset and ldt voltage to gain more mhz..

it could very well be your HTT holding you back.. and pumping more vcore won't get you any further

This post has been edited by babyelf: Nov 6 2005, 09:17 PM

But if you upgrade to DFI, then you need to upgrade your RAM as well, because AFAIK, DFI NF4 LP not friendly with CT or BT-d43.
Haha... quite happy with it, i'm now dual priming at 1.375v for almost 9 hours now.. hope can pass 23-24 hours.

babyelf, ok, thank very much for your suggestion, i will go for DFI!

Be careful as I see you are using D43 RAM. It is known to usually have problems with our el cheapo D43 RAMs. That was the reason I didn't get the DFI in the first place.

Secondly, HTT normally works upto 1GHz. So please check if your HTT multiplier is dropped to 4x instead of the default 5x if you raise your HTT beyond 200.

my HTT now is at 3x for 270MHz.

what about the Abit Fatality you are using? good oc?

talking about OC, i will prepfer DFI, but i dont know which model to go, can somebody tell me? thanks.

Not sure whether it is good or not but it is quite stable so far. But there are a lot of people here who would swear by DFI if you are talking about overclocking.

For Abit, it is more tolerant of cheap RAM and recently I tried even 2 pcs of 512MB and 2pcs of 256MB RAM and it worked although it has to run 4 pcs at 2T. Other than that, it has front cmos reset which is really convenient for overclockers to OC a bit too much.

just got my DFI LP UD, and a 7800GT.

i decided to go for UD instead of SLI-D because some one told me UD is confirm modable to SLI-D, and i will mod it one year later, since modding will void warranty!

going to assemble it now, hope can get better result.

The bridge will cost you at least RM50 and last time I checked, it's not easily available locally while a conductive pen from Jalan Pasar will cost you RM100+. At the end of the day, it is not cost effective at all buying an Ultra-D to mod it to SLI-D.Then there's also the risk that the mod will not be successful.

I'm having problem overclock my AMD Athlon 64 3800x2....

Here's mY Computer tech:
1. CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ x2
2. Harddrive: Western Digital Cavier 250GB Sata 2
3. Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Premium
4. GPU: 1X MSI Geforce 7800GT TD256
5. Memory: Kingston 1GB DDR400 Dual Channel(Double Sided)
6. Disk Drive: Lite-On Dvd Rewriter
7. Speakers: Creative 5.1 surround speaker Model 5200
8. Power Supply: Cooler Master 550watt PSU
9. Fans: 1x Cooler Master LED Fan 120mmx120mm, 1x I-cute LED Fan 120mmx120mm



By adjusted the CPU Voltage from default 1.3v to 1.4. From 2.0GHZ to 2.15GHZ. Everything seems ok. The idle temp is around 40c and load temp is around 52c. But after i adjusted the CPU voltage ffrom 1.4 to 1.425 watt. And CPU frequency from 2.15ghz to 2.2ghz. The system just crash and show that i need to insert XP cd's coz some files are missing and said need to repair. But after i set the voltage and frequency to 2.15GHZ and 1.4volt. Everything seems fine. So i wondered wut's wrong? Temparature too high? Volt too high? Or???

Did you lower you LDP multiplier from x5 to x4?

LPD? MUltiplier? Is it the one with X1-10? Which should i lower it? BIOS?

based on ur mobo, i dont think the problem comes from pci freq unlock.. how bout ur HTT multiplier? u must make sure ur HTT x htt multiplier = 1000 or below.

let say ur HTT is 200, the default htt multiplier is 5x, so 200x5 = 1000. that is default. if u increase ut htt to 220 for example, u've to drop ur multiplier from 5x to 4x.. so that it become 880 (220x4).

201-249 use 4x
250-299 use 3x .. n go on

other tips for oc is increase ur HTT / clockspeed first before increasing ur vcore. goes into windows to test the stability using benchmarks program n if stable go back to bios n increase ur clockspeed again. if the benchmarks program fail or windows cant boot, increase ur vcore step by step. then go back into windows to test the stability. Repeat this until u find ur max oc or u r satisfy with ur oc.

n if u r using el cheapo ram aka non high performance ram, u've to loose ur ram timing. the loosest' timing is 3-4-4-8.

n if u think that ur ram is holding ur processor potential oc, and u want to oc ur processor alone, use ram ratio. set ur ram to either ddr 333, 266 or whatever setting in ur board.. use this website for ur reference :

http://med.tmu.edu.tw/~tacoChang/A64Freq.php

hope it helps a lil bit



i think it is LDT (/HTT) multiplier. u can find it in bios. it has setting with x1,x2,x3,x4,x5 and auto.

This post has been edited by irenic: Nov 7 2005, 09:10 PM

Whoa great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thx a lot everyone!!!!! Whoaaaa precious suggestion and guides! I really aprreaciate it!!!!! But then i haven't install any cpu fans. I use the orginally fans from the AMD box one...... Is it fine?

Yeah, you should be able to do some overclocking by just using the stock HSF. I've just installed my X2 3800+ and I'm testing it using the stock HSF right now

afaik X2s use the heatpiped AMD heatsink.. those are better than other stock amd heatsink.. should be fine for mild overclock

That's for the higher speed X2. The X2 3800+ comes with the normal stock AMD HSF

Wow... So arj, u havin 2 rigs now..? FX and X2..?

I have 2 rigs for quite some time already. Removed the specs of my Work Rig to make way for the Battlefield 2 signature

Owh.. I didn't noe..

LoL... So which rig you say is best for performance : price ratio..?

AMD Athlon64 X2?

Between the FX-55 and the X2 3800+, I'd definitely say the X2 since it's an all-round processor. Excellent for multi-tasking stuff and not to shabby for gaming. Waaay cheaper than the FX too.

Whoa! It works! Thx Extram Newbie! But the load temp could reach 52c and idle temp is around 42c. So is this normal range temp.? Will it harm the CPU? I set the cpu voltage for 1.4v and overclocked till 2.2ghz...... Is that fine? Or i should raise the voltage? And where can i get those stress test software?

haha damn.. that heatsink on that hot mofo

That's nice to hear..

Just google and search for Prime95 or SuperPI..

what a bad news, installed the new DFI-NF4-UD and 7800GT, when pluging the power suply, found out that the mobo is using 24 pin, then go to C-Zone to get a converter, but the fxxking thing is, when i on the power supply, not turn on mobo yet, the power supply will beep for long time, changed to another Enermax 300W, samething happend, I just dont know why the PSU will beep for long time.

now take out the whole mobo from the case, put back the old system, everything work fine...

i suspect it might be the converter problem, i would like to know is there any differences between 24-to-20 converter and 20-to-24 converter?? are there both same or different? the convertor wiring looks very strange when i compare the actually 20 pin and 24 pin PDU diagram.... the convertor looks like wired opposite way...

This post has been edited by TaiZi@CCF: Nov 7 2005, 11:50 PM

Power supply beeps? Never heard that one before. Have you tried plugging in the 20-pin PSU directly to the motherboard without a converter? If you have a good PSU, it shouldn't be a problem to use a 20-pin PSU with the DFI board. My friend is using a 20-pin Antec and he's using it with his DFI board for a few months already without any problems.

X2 3800+ overclocking update time......

Here's where I'm at right now with stock vcore and HSF. Will let it run overnight with two instances of Folding@Home and will continue to push it further tomorrow

can somebody tell me is there any different between 20-to-24 and 24-to-20 convertor? been looking on internet but cannot found....

ahh....nicely warm.
wat cooling? (If i missed it ,sorry)

Me? Stock HSF at the moment

you need all 4 power connectors to be connected..

the 24pin ATX, P4, Floppy and Molex

i've seen cases where X2 system won't boot without that 2

Did you connect all of these sockets?

Yes i connected all, only that the 24 pin connect is using a 20-to-24 pin convertor, i dont have native 24 pin PSU!....

and the very strange thing is why the PSU is beep?? this is first time i hear that the PSU will beeep...... and beeping for long time.... changed two PSU, Enlight 420W and Enermax 300W, both beep when using the convertor and connected to the DFI.

you sure it's your psu and not your motherboard beeping?

dude do yourself a favour and get a proper psu before complaining about the issue..

if you go over to dfi street the first thing they will do is ask you to change your psu before proceeding further.. and u'll make some of them pissed because they specifically said that u need a native 24pin and at least 480W to power the motherboard

the reason why a 20 to 24pin does not work is because the extra 4pin should come from INSIDE the psu and not an extension from the previous 20pin..

i've seen cases where the use of 20pin psu killed memory and motherboards..

it's up to you in the end.. my opinion is if you're blow so much cash on a dfi, x2 etc why save on the psu?

think of it as the heart of the system...

just my 2c..

Yeah, try to get a 24 pin PSU. The last 4 pins that you are missing supplies power to the PCIe slot if I'm not mistaken. Normally, a 20 pin PSU is not sufficient enough for a PC of your specs.

Abit out of topic here but just wanna ask how does X2 perform in folding..? Is it better compared to FX..?

Haven't done any comparison yet. Before you ask, I don't know how many points per day the FX-55 have been producing

arj hows the gold stuff u bought earlier today...

Will try to install them later and compare the numbers with the AMD stock HSF.

If you guys are wondering what neuvas is going on about, I just picked up a Thermaltake Golden Orb II HSF

i am wondering which CPU and RAM combination is good combination for OC.

Purpose: to produce a 1 full DVD (from DV format) in Pinnacle studio 9.4 in the fastest time possible (the old rig athlon 2400+ dual proc took 12 hours). multitasking ability needed.

Currently plan to use stock HSF first. Later may add heatsink.

Mobo: DFI NF4 lanparty UT ultra-D (no SLI)
HDD: WD 200GB sataII (no $$ for raptor) need lots of space. 1 hour video is 13GB.

procs:
1.AMD64 X2 (MANCHESTER) 3800+ (RETAIL) = RM 1280
2. AMD64 OPTERON 165 (DUAL CORE) SOCKET 939 (RETAIL) = RM 1260

ram:
1. CRUCIAL BALLISTIX 2048 PC4000 3-4-4-8= RM 1500
2. CORSAIR TWINX2048-4000 PC4000 3-4-4-8= RM 1180
3. CORSAIR TWINX2048-3200C2 PC3200 2-3-3-6= RM 1145

www.dinsterpc.com
all stuff from dinster. this rig is yet to be purchased.

This post has been edited by joylay83: Nov 9 2005, 02:34 AM

lol... arj, since when u r interested in those bling bling stuff?

i'd be interested to know too between the two which would be a better choice
double the cache or 1X more of multiplier?

what's the max tempreture i shoudl leave my X2 at?

edited: g

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Nov 11 2005, 05:35 PM

Tukar selera once in a while

The general consensus is under 60 degrees for 24/7 usage, 60-70 if you're feeling lucky

hmm..alright, my X2 is running at 59 deg @ 2.4ghz @ 1.375V @ 2kRPM @ Full-load...

thanks, i feel safe now

edited: when i maxed my fan to 5600rpm (tm venus 12), the temp went down to 46 deg

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Nov 11 2005, 06:15 PM

My X2 is HOT!

Looks like I need to watercool it before I can do some serious overclocking.

2.5ghz!!!!

70C...you gonna kill ur X2 soon if no water comes in

What mobo and ram ya using?

It can pair up with FX-55 @ 2.5ghz right?

arj sifu , please advise me which hsf to get. Planning to get ninja sycthe but freaking big .

This post has been edited by songhan89: Nov 12 2005, 12:45 AM

Hey, any software that can adjust my chassis fan speed or CPU fan speed?

speedfan.
just google it

Right now I'm using the X2 with DFI Ultra-D and OCZ VX.

The best heatsink would be the Thermalright XP120/XP90C. If you're looking for something less expensive then I can't really recommend you one because I'm a bit clueless about heatsinks.

other than XP-120/ XP-90, cheapo HSf tat can be compare to them is TT DIY PIPE101
last time b4 switching into XP-90, im using it & the performance almost same wif XP-90
IMO

Wow! that is really hot. Prime test with stock heatsink?

suddenly I feel stoopid for buying the 3800+
Maybe, I shud've went for the Opetron 165.

Can anybody make me feel better by tellin me my choice is a good one?

You can always sell it and buy your Opty, what's the big deal? Worst come to worst, buy the Opty, put your X2 inside your storeroom and pretend it never existed.

Damn I feel the same way too . should get K8n Master2-FAR http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/ser...ail.php?UID=613 with 2 dual core opteron instead .

This post has been edited by Lemon: Nov 12 2005, 05:30 PM

In that case, i better quickly sell off this X2 before it reaches 2 weeks old.
Anywhere else I can get myself an Opty? Prefer to buy from shops, if anything senang mau claim.

Wanted to order opteron but no stock d .... Hope dinster will carry in ASAP

except the cache, is the overclockability that makes you guys wanna get Opteron 165?

This post has been edited by songhan89: Nov 12 2005, 06:57 PM

is this done usin d tt heatsink? gosh... 69'C is xtremely hot...

What's there not to like?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=77857



http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attach...achmentid=39479

I really like!
Never mind, here got!!
Here's cheaper though.

Man, i just LOVE christmas! *Prays somebody buys 3800+ before end of Nov*

I'm hopin any of my rich sucker friends picks this 3800+ quickly, or I'll have to sell at garage sale (ughh...!!)

165....165.....165...

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Nov 13 2005, 03:43 PM

Yeah, that's with the TT Golden Orb II. Gonna try to reinstall it now just in case it wasn't properly installed.

**EDITED**

Reinstalled the heatsink and reapplied AS5, same temps. It might go down a wee bit more in a few days time though once the AS5 settled in.

This post has been edited by arj: Nov 13 2005, 07:15 PM

some info for opty 165...

click me

i think it wun do much betta even after as5 settle in...

wonder watz d power consumption (W) w/ d oc'ed voltage... muzb 100 over...

My X2 capable to do 2.7Ghz but the problem is, I need to pump 1.52V in order to make it stable, my question are:
1. will it dramatically shorten the life of the processor if I continuously feed it with such a high voltage?
2. If the proc is dead because of overvolt, am i able to RMA it?

You're right! Tak turun pon

1. Nope, 1.52v is perfectly reasonable.
2. Ethically, no

If you screw up your chip, then you pay for it. It's not fair to make the manufacturer pay for your own mistakes.

nope if u tell em', so no need to tell em' liao
juz say its dead & if no burn mark, sure can RMA

This is just selfish thinking. You're increasing costs for everyone. Oh well, in the future CPUs will probably have on die voltage regulators so it will not be a problem anymore.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Nov 17 2005, 09:30 AM

Managed to reduce the vcore for 2.5Ghz

Nice arj. What HSF now? Still that TT Golden Orb arh?

Yup, still using the Thermaltake Golden Orb II. I have an XP120 as well but a friend is using it right now. Guess I have to ask for it back

What's so expensive about the X2?

X2 3800 $320

You linked the 165 from zipzoomfly, so it's okay for newegg to come up

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Nov 18 2005, 03:28 AM

singapore got bring in some 165.
but all sapu habis in a few days.

Seriously, 165 like damn hot man.....australia forums, US, UK, even bling-bling sites like hardforum also rushing to buy.

Siepeh headache, mau carik pun susah

huh?
when did I say the X2 is expensive? I mean, yeah....hehe, it is expensive in a way...but X2 expensive??

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Nov 18 2005, 07:48 AM

I dont see why people would buy the Opteron 165 if they can get the X2 3800 for a cheaper price...

edited: except for the 1mb L2 cache on the 165 opty.. but it has been proven that the cache doesnt improve much performance... proven by the comparison of X2 4200 and 4400...

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Nov 18 2005, 08:33 AM

I donno, it seems that in US, after conversion it's RM1090+-
In m'sia, it's RM1260 the cheapest.

So i belive in malaysia, it's still RM1260>RM1090

Perhaps in the US it's different.

so people if opty 165 and x2 3800 are priced the same, which one would you choose.. one is based on toledo and the other on manchester... one has 1mb cache @ 1.8ghz while the other 512kb cache @ 2.0 ghz..

both are great overclockers, though the x2 does a lil better at the end achieving up to 2.8ghz.. but that's very subjective anyway and depends much on your chip...

but which one would you choose? please state the reason

woot... d x2 not havin high fever as before, but d temp still kinda high thou...

xp-120? i had some hard times with it, i'm usin freezer64 which do betta than xp-120.

xp-120 w/ tt a2018 @ full blast: idle 45'C, load 55-59'C

freezer64 @ full blast: idle 43'C, load 49'C

all w/ 1.46V (bios set)

mebe it's becoz of d bracket, d hs didn't make proper contact w/ d chip. some part near d mountin holes need to be shaved off i think...

This post has been edited by ah_khoo: Nov 19 2005, 09:46 AM

Is it a bit late to play X2 now ?

Initial testing for my AMD64 X2 3800+ :

========================================
Short description:
CPU: 240x10 @ 2400Mhz, 1.25v+113%
RAM: DDR480, CL2.5-4-3-7-1T @ 2.8V
========================================

AMD64 X2 3800+ Manchester E4 CDBHE 0533SPDW @ 2400MHz (240HTTx10) 1.25v+113% stock cooling
2 x 512MB Corsair TwinX XMS PC3200 PRO v1.4, 240MHz at 2.5-4-3-7, 1T, 2.8vdimm, Orange Slot
DFI LanPartyUT NF4 SLI-D (BIOS 704-2BTA) 1.6v chipset
Galaxy 6600GT (Zalman) PCI-E x16 (default speed)
WD 40GB 8MB - IDE1
ASUS 52X CD-ROM - IDE2
WD 160GB SATAI - SATA3
Samsung Floppy Drive
OCZ ModStream 520W PSU
Window XP Pro SP2

this is my current setting for X2....


don't know the stepping bcoz lazy to find it
quite satisfy with this X2...huhuhu

opty 165 higher quality chip. running it now at 20 degrees C with SI-120 heat sink, no air con.

yeahh.. sure choose Opty over X2.. bigger cache.. high OC'ing ability

opty 165 for sure, better memory controller, bigger cache, improved core and all opterons goes through extensive testing as they are designed for servers that runs 24/7.
I just bought got one myself yesterday. Now running at 2.61ghz @ 1.44v.
now who can argue thats faster than a FX60.

Most X2s are based on newer and cheaper Manchester core whereas Opterons are based generally on Toledo core. 2 things that comes to mind when buying an Opteron:

1. It is more overclockable. Most Opterons can touch 2.6ghz and above with minimal raise of core voltage circa 1.4 - 1.5V. X2s, on the other hand (at least those based on Manchester) can't really hit beyond 2.5ghz in general. My Manchester can "only" hit 2.4ghz prime stable with a high voltage of 1.525V. And I am confirmed that the cpu is the limit as I am using water cooling, htt at 267Mhz eventhough my ram can run at 275mhz.

2. Each Opteron core has 1MB of L2 cache, which all in all, makes it a lower clocked FX60 chip (except for the upward multiplier of course). So, with some overclocking, it could reach FX60 performance like the thread above. X2s on the other hand, like my poor Manchester, has physical 512KB for each core, and since this is hardware "handicap", there's nothing much you could do about it.

So yes, if you let me chose once more, I'd pay slightly more for an Opteron and overclock it til it cries.

gonna get an AMD X2 3800+ soon... wanna know wat is d different of E4 n E6??

The E6 are newer better core then the E4 again if the 165 is a little more get that instead.