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Naskah
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Jan 9 2012, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jan 9 2012, 03:37 PM) its cheap,tough as balls,long loiter time and a fairly good payload.whats so bad? in a firefight these things are godsends the super tucano was never meant to be a trainer in TNI-AU the RMAF uses the BAE Hawk for light attack really? does propeller aircraft still practical in modern warfare?
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ichi_24
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Jan 9 2012, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(Naskah @ Jan 9 2012, 03:40 PM) really? does propeller aircraft still practical in modern warfare? i think for infantry support or something similar
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zimhibikie
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Jan 9 2012, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Jan 9 2012, 04:23 PM) i think for infantry support or something similar  but then, its easy target for Manpads..
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kimyee73
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Jan 9 2012, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 7 2012, 12:59 PM) do you mind giving the source of Leo 2a4 cost about 1mil. it is very hard to believe it will be around that price. 2nd I doubt 2nd leo 2A6 will be that cheap as well. well the news qoute at that price but it didn't even went into deals discussion with both parties involves. an it only merely state that their government will prepare USD280mil for the tanks however the price tag will be a differ story if the both government decide to goes into the deal. unfortunately the deal were block due to human right issue.  SAF Leo 2A4 around $1m - sourceQUOTE While price was not disclosed in the Singapore deal, the surplus Leopards are being sold at “fire-sale prices” that can hover in the $1 million per vehicle range, as opposed to the $5+ million per vehicle one must expect for modern Western contemporaries. Holland offer to Indon at $2.8m for Leo 2A6 - sourceQUOTE We had initially proposed US$280 million for 44 units. And so, it was allocated. What happened was when our team returned from the Netherlands, we learned we got 100 units. We felt very lucky, and why not?
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TSyinchet
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Jan 9 2012, 05:09 PM
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If you wish for peace, prepare for war
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 9 2012, 04:59 PM) SAF Leo 2A4 around $1m - sourceHolland offer to Indon at $2.8m for Leo 2A6 - sourceQUOTE Even the far-inferior T-72 has difficulty competing at this level, and the only thing keeping Leopard sales from jumping far beyond the European continent has been restrictive German arms export policies. Wow. SAF got a very nice deal themselves. I doubt we can get the same deal.
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atreyuangel
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Jan 9 2012, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 9 2012, 04:59 PM) SAF Leo 2A4 around $1m - sourceHolland offer to Indon at $2.8m for Leo 2A6 - sourceDoes this include the estimated cost when upgrading the tanks?
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SUSAKace
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Jan 9 2012, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 9 2012, 06:20 PM) Does this include the estimated cost when upgrading the tanks? he said the upgrade cost is $4.5m QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 6 2012, 03:37 PM) Upgrading were mostly done by STK which benefit S'pore defence industry and I would think the upgrade cost would not be higher than our US$4.5m unless you have the source indicating otherwise.
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atreyuangel
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Jan 9 2012, 07:36 PM
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each tank?
so there you go!
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heavyduty
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Jan 9 2012, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(Naskah @ Jan 9 2012, 03:40 PM) really? does propeller aircraft still practical in modern warfare? for COIN operations yes
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KYPMbangi
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Jan 9 2012, 07:53 PM
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New Member
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jan 9 2012, 07:48 PM) Probably going to be based in papua, the island is still practically in conflict with the FPM.
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heavyduty
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Jan 9 2012, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 9 2012, 04:30 PM) but then, its easy target for Manpads.. its gonna face the same threat as attack helos regardless,those separatists don't have modern SAM or attack aircrafts
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kimyee73
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Jan 10 2012, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE(AKace @ Jan 9 2012, 06:42 PM) he said the upgrade cost is $4.5m Pls don't misquote me. I said I think the upgrade cost should not be higher than $4.5m we paid for Pendekar in response to ayanami_tard's claim that the 2ndhand cost of Leo 2A4 is already higher than a brand new Pendekar. With the cost of $1m each for Leo 2A4 and expected cheaper cost of locally upgrades, as I'm saying from the beginning that we're paying quite a high cost for Pendekar as compared to SAF Leo 2SG. QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 5 2012, 10:18 AM) and then in the 2000. if you don't know,the army already conducted trial and test for not 1 MBT,but 3(PT-91,K1 88 and T-90). since you bring up the M1 and leopard issue.what is in them that PT-91M lacks? you should know that for the price of basic second hand Leopard 2A4,you could purchase a newly built,fully upgraded PT-91M at lower cost. those price you saw,are included the spare parts,ammunition, logistic support,etc
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TSyinchet
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Jan 10 2012, 10:32 AM
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If you wish for peace, prepare for war
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^ whatever it is PT-91M is going to be in ours inventory for years to comes. hope they can bring the MBT potential to another height on the next batch.
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kimyee73
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Jan 10 2012, 11:26 AM
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Let me see what else the Army is asking for
- a hundred more MBT for additional 2 tank regiments - a few hundreds more AV-8 on top of 257 ordered to completely replace our Condor and Sibmas - a squadron of attack chopper and a bunch of transport helicopters to form the air calvary corps. taking over the old nuri for this purpose is not a kind idea - two variant of SPH, track and wheel
anything else? If we're to spend top $$ for every single purchase, fulfilling the above requests would take eternity. there has to be a balance between our pursuit of quality, quantity, timeline and developing local defense industry.
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TSyinchet
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Jan 10 2012, 11:34 AM
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If you wish for peace, prepare for war
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 11:26 AM) Let me see what else the Army is asking for - a hundred more MBT for additional 2 tank regiments - a few hundreds more AV-8 on top of 257 ordered to completely replace our Condor and Sibmas - a squadron of attack chopper and a bunch of transport helicopters to form the air calvary corps. taking over the old nuri for this purpose is not a kind idea - two variant of SPH, track and wheel anything else? If we're to spend top $$ for every single purchase, fulfilling the above requests would take eternity. there has to be a balance between our pursuit of quality, quantity, timeline and developing local defense industry. ec725 will take over the nuri but some of the nuri will stay and went through some upgrade to cont their service. I dun think they want 2 variant SPH. also I dun think it will be in the inventory any time soon. the same to AH as well. MBT and AV8 next batch will wait next RMK perhaps.
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atreyuangel
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Jan 10 2012, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 11:26 AM) Let me see what else the Army is asking for - a hundred more MBT for additional 2 tank regiments - a few hundreds more AV-8 on top of 257 ordered to completely replace our Condor and Sibmas - a squadron of attack chopper and a bunch of transport helicopters to form the air calvary corps. taking over the old nuri for this purpose is not a kind idea - two variant of SPH, track and wheel anything else? If we're to spend top $$ for every single purchase, fulfilling the above requests would take eternity. there has to be a balance between our pursuit of quality, quantity, timeline and developing local defense industry. It is fair, as the Army who has the less new equipment since end of COIN warfare at the early 90s! unlike other department that were giving asset.
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heavyduty
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Jan 10 2012, 02:16 PM
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the AV8 and PUTD program are necessities
the condor looks like a 50 year old african prostitute
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zimhibikie
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Jan 10 2012, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 10 2012, 11:34 AM) ec725 will take over the nuri but some of the nuri will stay and went through some upgrade to cont their service. I dun think they want 2 variant SPH. also I dun think it will be in the inventory any time soon. the same to AH as well. MBT and AV8 next batch will wait next RMK perhaps.  From what I heard, the Army wanted 2 variant of SPH, wheeled and tracked. Wheeled SPH for accompanying infantry while tracked for accompanying armor. Cesar for wheeled while K1 Thunder for tracked was the prefered ones..
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TSyinchet
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Jan 10 2012, 04:34 PM
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If you wish for peace, prepare for war
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 10 2012, 02:29 PM) From what I heard, the Army wanted 2 variant of SPH, wheeled and tracked. Wheeled SPH for accompanying infantry while tracked for accompanying armor. Cesar for wheeled while K1 Thunder for tracked was the prefered ones.. Ic, that would made the whole procurement even larger.
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kimyee73
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Jan 10 2012, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 10 2012, 02:29 PM) From what I heard, the Army wanted 2 variant of SPH, wheeled and tracked. Wheeled SPH for accompanying infantry while tracked for accompanying armor. Cesar for wheeled while K1 Thunder for tracked was the prefered ones.. Not only that, the wheeled SPH has to be light enough to put on transport plane to accompany 10 BDE.
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