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post Jan 10 2012, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 10 2012, 04:34 PM)
Ic, that would made the whole procurement even larger.
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but with 2 variant, I bet the number to be procured maybe small. Could be about 8-10 wheeled SPH, and around 20 tracked SPH..I heard SG's locally build tracked SPH is quite good and light..
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 10 2012, 11:34 AM)
ec725 will take over the nuri but some of the nuri will stay and went through some upgrade to cont their service.
I dun think they want 2 variant SPH. also I dun think it will be in the inventory any time soon. the same to AH as well.

MBT and AV8 next batch will wait next RMK perhaps. hmm.gif
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I do not think ec725 CSAR can completely take over from Nuri. A very good chopper but I would prefer AW101 tho. Problem is too few of them to go around and using CSAR for utility transport is a waste of resource. Upgrading the Nuri is just stretching it too much. Mindef should bought limited qty of CSAR variant to satisfy RMAF demand and the rest should be utility variant which is cheaper and can get a bit more qty.

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 05:06 PM)
I do not think ec725 CSAR can completely take over from Nuri. A very good chopper but I would prefer AW101 tho. Problem is too few of them to go around and using CSAR for utility transport is a waste of resource. Upgrading the Nuri is just stretching it too much. Mindef should bought limited qty of CSAR variant to satisfy RMAF demand and the rest should be utility variant which is cheaper and can get a bit more qty.
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Nope, Cougar wont take all Nuri's job, but they will operate more in the Borneo.
as you know Nuri comes in IINM 6 batch, the 1st 2 has been retired phased by phased so there is still good nuri in RMAF.

Maybe transport variant Cougar in the future perhaps?

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post Jan 10 2012, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 10 2012, 05:04 PM)
but with 2 variant, I bet the number to be procured maybe small. Could be about 8-10 wheeled SPH, and around 20 tracked SPH..I heard SG's locally build tracked SPH is quite good and light..
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Yes, Primus is a pretty good one at abt 28 tonnes but we will never buy anything from SG.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 10 2012, 05:10 PM)
Nope, Cougar wont take all Nuri's job, but they will operate more in the Borneo.
as you know Nuri comes in IINM 6 batch, the 1st 2 has been retired phased by phased so there is still good nuri in RMAF.

Maybe transport variant Cougar in the future perhaps?
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Do you know if they have settled on who should be in charge of tactical troop transport, RMAF or Army? Wondering whether there is still plan to transfer Nuri to the PUTD.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 05:14 PM)
Yes, Primus is a pretty good one at abt 28 tonnes but we will never buy anything from SG.
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Thats a pity, coz I see no wrong in buying weapons like the Primus from SG..I dun think will sell us inferior Primus, SG pun want to maintain good manufacturing credibility.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 05:18 PM)
Do you know if they have settled on who should be in charge of tactical troop transport, RMAF or Army? Wondering whether there is still plan to transfer Nuri to the PUTD.
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AF, and I the last time I heard Nuri wont go to Army!
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 10 2012, 05:06 PM)
I do not think ec725 CSAR can completely take over from Nuri. A very good chopper but I would prefer AW101 tho. Problem is too few of them to go around and using CSAR for utility transport is a waste of resource. Upgrading the Nuri is just stretching it too much. Mindef should bought limited qty of CSAR variant to satisfy RMAF demand and the rest should be utility variant which is cheaper and can get a bit more qty.
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they can always opt for a non CSAR version.
if they want to open for other heli
AW101, NH90, S-92 as possible candidate.

anyway Nuri might stay for sometimes.

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Sikorsky Aerospace Services, AIROD and Aviation Design Centre Sdn Bhd (ADC) Sign MOU Regarding Support for Upgraded S-61™ Helicopters

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Typhoon costs nearly £85,000 per hour fly!!!??? wtfff can buy house...while super tucano only £500 rclxub.gif

RAF urged to cut ‘Cold War’ new jets for cheap propeller aircraft

Tom Coghlan, Defence Correspondent
January 22, 2010
The RAF is under pressure to cut its multibillion-pound orders for fast jets in favour of cheaper propeller aircraft as part of a review of defence spending. The suggestion, from General Sir David Richards, has ignited a debate that pitches the head of the Army against his opposite numbers in the other two Services.
General Richards, Chief of the General Staff, believes that the Super Tucano offers a cost-effective alternative to fast jets such as the Cold War-era Eurofighter Typhoon in counter-insurgency operations such as those in Afghanistan. Resembling something from the Second World War, a Super Tucano costs about £5 million, a fraction of the £60 million estimated cost of the F35 Joint Strike Fighter ordered for the Royal Navy’s new aircraft carriers or the £67 million of a Typhoon.
A strategic defence review expected after the general election is likely to recommend that each Service’s budget is cut by about 20 per cent.
General Richards has argued that state-on-state confrontations will be largely replaced by counter-insurgency operations in the future, making huge savings possible if the Government is prepared to sacrifice ships and tanks for lighter and cheaper but technically advanced matériel.
Air analysts argue that the Tucano offers a cost-effective platform to which high-tech equipment and munitions can be attached. It is being considered by the US Navy after impressive performance in Colombia, where it is used against FARC rebels.
Paul Beaver, former editor of Jane’s Defence Weekly and a former army helicopter pilot, said: “What David Richards is saying is that the airframe does not need to be superb — you just need to put high-tech sensors and the defensive aids on there. In Afghanistan, there is a reasonably small threat level for aircraft. It is not a replacement for Apache helicopters but it is a complementary capability.” Richard North, a defence analyst and another advocate of the aircraft, said: “The right kit for the sort of wars we are fighting today is a lot cheaper than the high-end kit.”
The Brazilian two-seater Tucano can fly from airstrips and loiter for six and a half hours over the battlefield without refuelling, although it cannot refuel in mid-air. It can carry 1.5 tonnes and uses only £500 of fuel an hour. The Eurofighter Typhoon costs nearly £85,000 an hour to fly. The trainer version is in service with the RAF.
Andrew Brookes, aerospace analyst at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said: “I think that General Richards has been led astray by people who think that because it is cheap and cheerful it is the answer to the maiden’s prayer. In a Joint Strike Fighter you have a stealthy, magnificent intelligence-gathering platform. No one will see it coming and it could go to downtown Tehran, Pyongyang or maybe even Moscow tomorrow. You can say you would get a lot of Tucanos cheaply but the money for Typhoon and JSF has already been spent and they can be used for the whole spectrum of operations.”
One defence source told The Times: “We neither need, nor can afford the ‘deep persistent operating capability’ associated with attacking stealthily the most heavily defended airspace on Earth. Something like Tucano does the job for irregular warfare [of the future] and is effective and cost-efficient.”
An RAF spokesman said: “We are always seeking the most effective ways of conducting surveillance. The preferred option is currently to use fast jets and unmanned air vehicles because of their ability to stay airborne longer [through air-to-air refuelling] and their greater versatility in providing close air support to troops.”

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 10 2012, 05:04 PM)
but with 2 variant, I bet the number to be procured maybe small. Could be about 8-10 wheeled SPH, and around 20 tracked SPH..I heard SG's locally build tracked SPH is quite good and light..
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It's light, but it suffer from stability problem.
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Jan 11 2012, 09:50 AM)
It's light, but it suffer from stability problem.
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Really? Maybe its light weight made it abit unstable. I was impressed with K9 Thunder, but it didnt hit its targets after NK artillery hits a SK island..
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IAI tight-lipped over $1.1bn deal with Asian customer

Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) has signed a $1.1 billion deal to supply "defensive and offensive" systems to an undisclosed Asian customer.

Signed earlier this month, the contract covers a range of products, including missiles, unmanned air vehicles and intelligence-gathering systems, plus upgrades to in-service combat aircraft and helicopters. The work will be performed over the next four years, with sources saying that IAI beat competition from a number of European and US companies.

IAI said securing the new contract has boosted the value of its orders backlog to $10 billion.

The timing of the announcement came days after reports that Udi Shani, director general of the Israeli defence ministry, had visited Italy and South Korea earlier this month to discuss Tel Aviv's advanced jet trainer competition.

Israel has yet to issue a request for proposals for the expected 30-aircraft deal, but will choose between the Alenia Aermacchi M-346 and an unarmed variant of the Korea Aerospace Industries FA-50.

Israel has previously sold defence equipment to Asia-Pacific countries including Australia, China, India, Singapore and South Korea, although its business with Beijing has fallen off in the past decade owing to pressure from the USA.

IAI had a major presence at air shows in Australia, India and South Korea last year and will also be present at next month's Singapore air show.

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post Jan 11 2012, 04:47 PM

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would it be Indonesia or Thailand??? or maybe their old customer Singapore?
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QUOTE(bf48qo @ Jan 11 2012, 04:47 PM)
would it be Indonesia or Thailand??? or maybe their old customer Singapore?
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I'm thinking these three as well. smile.gif
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could be thai, remember when they bought their JAS-39.
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QUOTE(bf48qo @ Jan 11 2012, 04:57 PM)
could be thai, remember when they bought their JAS-39.
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JAS-39 got anything to do with IAI?? hmm.gif
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the secrecy when they do the purchase....
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QUOTE(bf48qo @ Jan 11 2012, 04:59 PM)
the secrecy when they do the purchase....
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I see..
Anyway we have to wait for the answer than.
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Definitely Singapore.

Let's recap.

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Signed earlier this month, the contract covers a range of products, including missiles, unmanned air vehicles and intelligence-gathering systems, plus upgrades to in-service combat aircraft and helicopters. The work will be performed over the next four years, with sources saying that IAI beat competition from a number of European and US companies.

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IAI said securing the new contract has boosted the value of its orders backlog to $10 billion.



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