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post Jan 5 2012, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 5 2012, 11:05 AM)
I'm not questioning the capability of Pendekar but the MA/Mindef in spending the extra money to develop a sophisticated equipment but purchase a limited qty. If the performance is so good, we should buy more and not thinking about buying another model that would repeat the same process again. We should expect lower unit price from repeat order but not after a laps of 10 years or more.
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there is a talk of Batch 2 of Pendekar for at least 80 unit but along the line I never heard of a new model a considered for batch 2. Sure the Korean K1 come into the picture more than once but if there is not LOA might as well see what other company want to offer!
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 5 2012, 11:05 AM)
I'm not questioning the capability of Pendekar but the MA/Mindef in spending the extra money to develop a sophisticated equipment but purchase a limited qty. If the performance is so good, we should buy more and not thinking about buying another model that would repeat the same process again. We should expect lower unit price from repeat order but not after a laps of 10 years or more.
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I dun think they wanted to try it huge quantity as starting line yet.
I dun think they will buy another model.
However when RFP were sent, some other manufacture might want to try their luck propose their product.
The korean for sure wanted to try their luck.
Anyway the 2nd batch also might include some upgrade for the current PT-91M. Also 2nd batch pt-91 might come with slight differ setup and enhancement.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 5 2012, 12:07 PM)
there is a talk of Batch 2 of Pendekar for at least 80 unit but along the line I never heard of a new model a considered for batch 2. Sure the Korean K1 come into the picture more than once but if there is not LOA might as well see what other company want to offer!
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I thought they wanted to have at least 200 units.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 5 2012, 12:57 PM)
I thought they wanted to have at least 200 units.
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IINM 80 for 2nd batch!
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 5 2012, 03:38 PM)
IINM 80 for 2nd batch!
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Ic, anyway I heard that we need at least 200 units to be able to protect entire Malaysia.
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That's right!
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SGPV + 2nd batch Pendekar + AV8 + new fighter. Hopefully next GE not screw this up.

I am not well verse in tank doctrine. How army will placed the whole (if we get 200 tanks) them to fully protect Malaysia? Divide them, or stay in one place? Care to explain tanks' doctrine, please. Since Malaysia is a nearly forest country, I heard that Pendekar do well, but what about K1?
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Seeing the pattern from the last 2,3 year each branch got RM10 Billion to be spend
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QUOTE(asyraff88kmp @ Jan 5 2012, 03:54 PM)
SGPV + 2nd batch Pendekar + AV8 + new fighter. Hopefully next GE not screw this up.

I am not well verse in tank doctrine. How army will placed the whole (if we get 200 tanks) them to fully protect Malaysia? Divide them, or stay in one place? Care to explain tanks' doctrine, please. Since Malaysia is a nearly forest country, I heard that Pendekar do well, but what about K1?
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No K1 plz.
Pendekar is more than enough. Better yet Tot them so we can build, make spare part and everything ourselves.
Now they should have more experience in using tanks. they should know what to enhance for the tanks.

I think they are going to divide them. hope they able to get more than 200 of them.
100 in Sabah
100 in peninsular
50 in Sarawak
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 5 2012, 03:58 PM)
Seeing the pattern from the last 2,3 year each branch got RM10 Billion to be spend
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dah buat kiraan kita mempunya sekurang-kurangnya USD9bil beli barang untuk 1 RMK.

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quite fair!
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 5 2012, 12:55 PM)
I dun think they wanted to try it huge quantity as starting line yet.
I dun think they will buy another model.
However when RFP were sent, some other manufacture might want to try their luck propose their product.
The korean for sure wanted to try their luck.
Anyway the 2nd batch also might include some upgrade for the current PT-91M. Also 2nd batch pt-91 might come with slight differ setup and enhancement.
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It's quite normal to have slight upgrades for newer batch but opening up the door for other contenders is not my idea of follow-up order..
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 5 2012, 04:43 PM)
It's quite normal to have slight upgrades for newer batch but opening up the door for other contenders is not my idea of follow-up order..
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I'm not sure though they would do that.
I'm too disagree if they are going for differ type of tank.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 5 2012, 03:38 PM)
IINM 80 for 2nd batch!
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What a strange number. We need 2 regiments for armored brigade and finally possibly another reg for 4 BDE Mech. With a regiment comprised of 48 tanks, the extra 32 could be for spare or strategic reserve, or maybe the army has change its tank regiment composition.
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sorry correction another 40+ for second batch!
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Browsing thru some japanese plastic model site for military stuff,
then came upon this~

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Our hornet in diecast? shocking.gif priced at 6,380 JPY

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Lockheed Martin's 2012 calendar -- which your blogger received in the mail but casually deposited, unopened, in the trash -- contained the company's first concept design for a sixth generation fighter to succeed the F-22 after 2030.

Call her "Miss February".

The US Air Force has already started the search for the F-X fighter to replace the F-22 after 2030. Boeing and Northrop Grumman have already revealed their concept designs. But the conceptual ideas of the USAF's sole fighter supplier had been a closely guarded mystery. Conceptual aircraft designs should not be mistaken for prototype blueprints, but they do offer some insight into the starting assumptions and philosophies.

We asked Lockheed to describe the philosophy behind this concept drawing. Here is the company's emailed response in full:

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This concept originates from our Advanced Development Programs group called the Skunk Works®. The Skunk Works primary objective is to aggressively pursue next generation technology programs and conduct research and development that will allow it to rapidly respond to customer needs. U.S. 5th generation fighters are now operational with the F-22 in the USAF and F-35 soon to be operational for USAF, USN, USMC and our international partners. As with the 4th generation fighters (F-15, F-16, F-18), 5th Gen is poised for growth, and will go through a process of capability upgrades over their service lives. As such, they will be operationally relevant for decades to come. Even with that, it is time to start looking at the technologies that will provide the next quantum leap in capabilities for the next generation of fighters (IOC ~ 2030+). Simply removing the pilot from an aircraft or introducing incremental improvements in signature and range does not constitute a generational leap in capability. These improvements are already being looked at for our 5th generation fighters.



Future fighter requirements are not set and will depend on assessments of future threats that may emerge in the 2030 time frame. Greatly increased speed, longer range, extended loiter times, multi-spectral stealth, ubiquitous situation awareness, and self-healing structures and systems are some of the possible technologies we envision for the next generation of fighter aircraft. Next generation fighter capabilities will be driven by game changing technological breakthroughs in the areas of propulsion, materials, power generation, sensors, and weapons that are yet to be fully imagined. This will require another significant investment in research and development from a standpoint of both time and money. We will continue to investigate technologies that demonstrate great promise, and work closely with our customers to define the future operational concepts and requirements that the next generation of fighter aircraft must fulfill. 

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post Jan 5 2012, 09:14 PM

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usually when a country deploy their mothership or a flagship to war, how many destroyer and frigates or other ship is used to protect it, do they encircle the main ship or act as a vanguard
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 5 2012, 11:55 AM)
That is besides my point. Why do you want to spent money on the development of a new variant of PT-91 when you just want to buy a limited qty to develop a doctrine? You do that only when you want to buy in large qty. You're wasting money that could have been used on other pressing requirement. For future purchase, you're going to buy a new model and the whole money wasting process would start all over again. "You" here is refering to MA/Mindef.

Why did they previously refers the Scorpion regiment 11 KAD as tank regiment and not cavalry regiment? In the old days they are trying to develop tank doctrine using Scorpion and Stormer.
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that's called familiarization.during the eighties,before the acquisition of Sibmas and Condor,the only "armor" that the army have is V-100,ferret scout vehicle, and some other platform(Saracen,etc). they were called "armor" because they detached themselves from the infantry,unlike "mechanized" units,which,the purpose is to transport the infantry

back to the main issue?again i bring out the 2A4 issue you said previously.A baseline 2A4 costs comparatively more than a newly built PT-91M. so why bother buying second hand stuff. even the singaporean spends (or "wasted"according to your view) tons of money to upgrade their 2A4 to suit their own need.is that a waste? you tell them

doctrine doesn't come overnight.them scorpion CVRT is a good start,but they cannot substitute for a real Main Battle tanks.

besides everything has their own budgets. the navy got their own budget. the army got their own budget, and the airforce got their own budget

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