If you don't want to discuss properly & spamming with ridiculous pictures like a pimpled face raging kids ,

I suggest don't bother post at all

wow, such a classy act

one man army

"Used to"? Just last season Man Utd made the final. Are attention spans really that short these days. I'd agree if you told me English clubs haven't competed in the last decade.

no need to butthurt bro

as I said earlier in my post, the statistics speak for itself

overall winner

spanish clubs 13
italian clubs 12
english clubs 11

over the last 10 years, there were 3 same country finals in UCL

2000 real madrid vs valencia
2003 ac milan vs juventus
2008 manu vs chelsea

so its pretty much balanced

Yup, EPL's top 6 currently is actually pretty good. Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool.

I don't see why EPL losing 2 teams is the end of the road for EPL, so since Spain's Valencia and Villareal out, means La Liga can't compete too?

It's just unfortunate that Man Utd's blip came at the crucial moment of Champions League group stage.

Each league has it's own style. England, Spain, Italy and Germany are on par with each other in terms of top teams.

i was referring to the times of 3 epl teams in the semifinals.... where was that again? i did not remember...

this

iirc for both 07-08 and 08-09 season, each of the semifinals had 3 english teams and 1 spanish team which is barca...it's absurd funny to even suggest based on this season alone, just because two english teams were eliminated, they cant compete in CL anymore (like they used to be)...last time i checked four english teams qualified for this tournament this season

2006-07

3 PL teams in the semis but AC Milan won the final

I'm not butthurt dude, I'm just wondering how people define, "compete"? Competing means you're there and abouts year in, year out. Doesn't mean you have to win it. Now if you were a Bulgarian club for example, then you aren't being competitive. The fact that there are two English clubs in the next round suggests that they are still competing and the fact that English clubs have been through to the latter stages of the knockout rounds suggest that they are still competitive. Is anyone suggesting that clubs like Ajax, Marseille, and Lyon aren't competitive? Sure no one expects them to win the trophy, but they are still hard to play against every year.

Once again, I'm not here to advocate that English clubs are better, because I don't really bother. I watch the Premiership and if someone else thinks it's crap, that's their opinion. I can't however fathom why people would think English clubs aren't competitive though? Would we be having this conversation last season, or are we only having it because the Manchester clubs were knocked out this year?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 10 2011, 12:15 PM

yes... i refer "used to be" to that times when the thought of EPL top 2 leader gone out at group stage would be horrendous..

Yes but you can't then say that Spanish clubs are not competitive and English clubs rule Europe just because it happened once. Like I said earlier as well, I think comments like "no longer being competitive", need to take into account a longer time frame. Just as Man City won't win the Champions League overnight despite spending massive mulah, clubs from a particular league won't suddenly disappear from Europe.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 10 2011, 12:25 PM

I think we can all agree on one thing at least,
the title of this thread sucks

its misleading and is not true.

how to justify "can't compete"

got 2 english teams not competing meh?




on a different subject

I watched manu vs barcelona UCL final with najib in putrajaya last may

before the game start, the host call ppl on stage to interview and give freebies
I found it weird that when a few of them when asked who they want to win, they say manu
but when the host ask the team that they support, they say "i'm actually a liverpool fan"

to me its weird, liverpool is manu arch rival but they rather manu won it then barcelona

what do you guys think about this english fanboyism?

well as they say, football is round...but to suggest epl teams cant compete in CL based on one season alone is even more horrendous

I think it's absurd. I'd never root for my rival. I'm surprised you've come across such people because I don't know any Liverpool fan who would root for Man Utd.

the best team in the world isnt in epl, but the best league in the world is the epl itlself.

thats what i thought also bro

another incident,
a few of of friend, all man u fans support liverpool during liverpool vs real madrid few years back
honestly, I cant brain that (sorry for the kopitiam slang)

which makes me wonder, they are manu/liverpool/chelsea/arsenal fans or just an english team fans?

i rmb there were a few liverpool fans here favouring us to win last may too, but the ones who dont are more la

I think that fans are more like I support an EPL club and I rather see EPL club won than others

In other words, EPL fans. not weird actually. since most of us are not indirectly "related" with one club. ( I meant locally)

well, i dont think its wrong to support other clubs eventhough they're arch-rival to your fav club pun

example : i support chelsea to beat City this weekend

dunno bout the others, but i support football first before the clubs..
tak semestinya kelab tu arch-rival then u cant support that clubs/watch them play/buy their jersey or watsoever..