i believe the concern Spira owners have is that majority of them (including myself) do not like to have outsiders coming in and out of our G&G community, which defeats the purpose of G&G in the first place. Yes of course for parents sending their kids to a kindie within a G&G feels like a safer option but not to the tenants. the other kindies under MBSA are operational may be simply because there's no objection from the respective neighbourhood? well as long as the neighbours are happy then i guess there's no issue. frankly, i know nuts about the guidelines of opening kindie.

Totally don't understand where you are coming from. Why do I need to bear costs when I am not the operator of the kindie? You should approach and tell the operator you are going to sokong them till they can get their approval to operate in Viola.

Currently it is operating illegally (if it is still operating.. have not gone there during weekdays), so imagine sending your children there. You think insurance will cover if there is any mishap happen to your child? This includes all those "illegal" kindies without approval that you have mentioned. If you want to take a risk with your child be my guest.

Let's be frank. I saw other residents complain other kindies, but come the MBSA hearing, none of the residents turn up to argue their case. We in Spira was very lucky in my opinion as at least there are some residents who are not NATO. For sure it would have been approved if no "pembangkang" turned up.

So if you are so active as you say you are, when it is Voila's turn, do turn up at MBSA to support your pet project vs. whichever Viola resident is against it.

A lot of these kindies actually open when the area is new and not much people have moved in. A bit weird considering the business model requires them to have people, but the reason for this is to force through the approval since most residents would not be aware. Once they are there, harder for residents with concern to get them to move out.

This post has been edited by zenquix: May 24 2012, 07:17 PM

Actually, I personally think that Naza could have done a better job by allocating a piece of land for kindy which is required but out of any of the gated area. They are well aware of that fact that they are selling G&G (practically, although not technically) and it is not suitable for kindy to be operating within G&G area. It will compromise the security or make it very difficult for the operator of the kindy because parents need to go through all the hassle to send or to pick up.

sokong 1000%!

there is a plot of land in the masterplan allocated for kindergarten. You can see it in TTDI's Sales office.

Just that the "entrepreneurs" do not want to wait for that portion to be open.

yes who going to bare the cost of the transfer.since its ur idea you bare the cost laa.

---

Added on May 24, 2012, 7:26 pmbuilding put tak daa,tunjuk tanah sahaja.than residents all should move after the building comes up.Everyone pay to the bank and wait.Dont shift first.

Wendy Tan

---

Added on May 24, 2012, 7:29 pmI agree but there is none at this moment. They should had build this at the first place.

Hahahaha.

Try to visit Naza sales office. When ask about Kindergarten they faster show this Kindergarten. So funny as if they build it for the residence.

Wendy Tan

This post has been edited by Wendy Tan One: May 24 2012, 07:29 PM

Thanks for informing...just land....so the operator would need to build their own?

Any current residents can update on the kindie? Still there?

yup.. still here..

Did mbsa send any letter regarding kindie after the meeting?

+1 Like!

Apparently i was wrong as according to zenquix, there is a plot fo land allocated for that purpuse. But if it is just land without buidling then, no many kindy operator can afford it .... and also, some kindy dont want to overcommit their cash flow in property purchase especially when they are new into this business.

sry you are the one who wanted it. Since Spira does not want it , you can sponsor to move them to Viola since you are from a well to do family.

kindergarten in Spira is illegal. If it is still operating in Spira, I will continue to complain.

---

Added on May 24, 2012, 10:42 pmyes. a letter was sent informing residents the kindie's application has been rejected. Can anyone confirm that it is still operating on weekdays?

This post has been edited by zenquix: May 24 2012, 10:45 PM

There is no shortcut in business. Illegal means illegal. If still operating can someone call mbsa to report their activity?

I am a Spira owner and I don't have children. But when I look at this kindergarten issue, I look at it from middle ground.

We bought the Spira houses knowing that it will be F&G. The security will be good and we paid premium for that service. Whether we have children or not, we paid that premium to get more secure environment. And after 2 years, we have to hire security firm to maintain that service and we have to pay hefty monthly fees for that.

If a kindergarten is inside Spira, anyone can come in and we lost the premium that we paid for security when we bought our house. For Spira owners with children, they may benefit from having a kindergarten inside but you are sacrificing the security of the whole Spira. And who wants to pay for hefty monthly fees for security if we are in this kind of situation?

There were a few break-ins in Kemmuing Utama recently, which is fully G&G, due to some irresponsible owners who let thieves in unintentionally into their area by following their car closely and fool the guard. The same will happen to Spira for sure if we don't control who can come in to Spira.

And I usually go to Kota Kummuning for food everyday and I don't complain about not having Mama stall inside our Spira so that I can walk there to save time and money. Like you said there are 15 kindergartens in KK and at lease 1 in I&P alam impian, why don't you sacrifice time and money like I do for my food and send your children to those places?

You may call me not smart enough spira owner, but I see what we are losing to have a kindergarten in Spira is much more than the benefits we are going get from it.


For voting, MSBA has rejected the application of the kindergarten. I don't see any reason to vote this moment as it is done deal.

This post has been edited by naing: May 25 2012, 07:29 AM

Dear All,

Managed to get this from my MBSA resources.This are the list of kindergarten in Shah Alam which is not approved.

101.

Do you think all neighbour against.NO WAY. Malaysis Kindergarten rules are such.

Wendy Tan

---

Added on May 25, 2012, 8:30 amplease refer to the 2 attachment in pdf format.

---

Added on May 25, 2012, 8:34 amHow 1000 of kindergarten are doing it in Malaysia. What is so special Alam Impian G&G have that other places dont have.

If the guard never to thier job dont blame the kindergarten. If you can 100% gurantee that if we take out the kindergarten and there will not be any theft in Spira and if still happen you have to bare the lost, than i will support you 100% for your theory.
Wendy Tan

---

Added on May 25, 2012, 8:44 am
I 100% agree with you lucky2,

The guard house at Spira is not approved by MBSA.SO ITS ILLEGAL.

LETS DEMOLISH THE GUARD HOUSE FIRST.

Love you lucky2 for reminding me this point.Beautiful.

Wendy Tan

This post has been edited by Wendy Tan One: May 25 2012, 08:44 AM


Attached File(s)
 T1.pdf ( 48.25k ) Number of downloads: 16
 T2.pdf ( 52.18k ) Number of downloads: 11

Well.. we know that the kindergarten inside Spira does not have permit to operate and if they wish to ride their luck and operate illegally, then go ahead. We will do our part by letting MBSA knows about it.

Everyone with common sense will know that the security in Spira will improve if we effectively control the entry point and regular patrolling. With the kindergarten operating in Spira, a few outsiders have no problem entering Spira and it will make Spira less secure. there is no such thing as 100% security in Malaysia.

Although you said you are a married woman, I feel like discussing with a teenager every time we have a discussion in this forum...

quote=zenquix,May 24 2012, 10:40 PM]
sry you are the one who wanted it. Since Spira does not want it , you can sponsor to move them to Viola since you are from a well to do family.

kindergarten in Spira is illegal. If it is still operating in Spira, I will continue to complain.

---

Added on May 24, 2012, 10:42 pm

yes. a letter was sent informing residents the kindie's application has been rejected. Can anyone confirm that it is still operating on weekdays?

[/quote]



YES GUARD HOUSE AT SPIRA ALSO IS ILLEGAL.NOT APPROVED BY MBSA.ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL.DEMOLISH IT.

RESIDENTS APPLY FOR APPROVAL.GET IT DONE AFTER 2 YEARS.THAN BECOME G&G AGAIN.SUPERB.

Wendy Tan

Good job, yes I agree security is a major concern for many buyers that bought for OWN STAY!

[quote=Wendy Tan One,May 25 2012, 08:49 AM]
quote=zenquix,May 24 2012, 10:40 PM]
sry you are the one who wanted it. Since Spira does not want it , you can sponsor to move them to Viola since you are from a well to do family.

kindergarten in Spira is illegal. If it is still operating in Spira, I will continue to complain.

---

Added on May 24, 2012, 10:42 pm

yes. a letter was sent informing residents the kindie's application has been rejected. Can anyone confirm that it is still operating on weekdays?

[/quote]

YES GUARD HOUSE AT SPIRA ALSO IS ILLEGAL.NOT APPROVED BY MBSA.ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL.DEMOLISH IT.

RESIDENTS APPLY FOR APPROVAL.GET IT DONE AFTER 2 YEARS.THAN BECOME G&G AGAIN.SUPERB.

Wendy Tan

[/quote]

Since we don't like your idea so you are going to destroy our neighborhood? Way to go!!! Thank you for showing your true color... Good luck to all Viola owners...