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post Dec 6 2011, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 6 2011, 10:21 PM)
You decide. tongue.gif Which is why it is sad that I had to hunt around seedy stalls in the back alleys of LYP to protect an RM2k investment. Sigh....
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to elaborate on my previous statement..

iPhone is a sure hit, people buy it because it is an iPhone... iPhone 4 is the single best selling phone in the market in its time, and the 4S is doing even better. Case manufacturers don't have to think twice to invest in iPhone's case/accessory market.

Nexus on the other hand, if you're not an Android user/Tech enthusiast, you wouldn't even know about it to begin with. You can ask anyone out there. Even if they know the name "Galaxy Nexus", they don't know / don't care the story behind this phone, its just another Samsung flagship to them, and most Samsung buyers have already bought the S2, they're not going to buy the Nexus, especially when people look at the specs of the Nexus, 5MP vs 8MP... they concluded S2 is the better phone. In short, its not easy to sell the Nexus.

Hence why manufacturers are contemplating to make accessories for this phone. Especially Nexus, which is known for its bad sales since Nexus One.

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post Dec 6 2011, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 6 2011, 10:34 PM)
Still doesn't explain the reason why Samsung not bringing in their own official accessories in, in case of the Note for example. In the case of the Nexus, there aren't any at all. I guess Samsung don't think Nexus owners wanna accessorize. If not a case, at least the same pouch they made for their Galaxy lineup.
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They do make accessories for the Nexus, just not in Malaysia, but in other regions they have been selling them. Reason is... (obviously) its not officially launched in Malaysia yet. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 6 2011, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 6 2011, 10:42 PM)
Understandable. The Note case, then?
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for the Note, I thought the phone comes with a cover? Is it not for sale?

QUOTE(silrave @ Dec 6 2011, 10:42 PM)
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sad case lot of bad feedback
regarding nexus camera
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hmm, where do you see that? hmm.gif

If you're talking about the reviews, from what I've read, its mostly because every other part of the phone is so good, the camera being "good enough" isn't in the same league, hence the complains.

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post Dec 6 2011, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 6 2011, 10:54 PM)
Samsung Galaxy Note Official Desktop Stand
Samsung Galaxy Note Official Vehicle Dock
Samsung Galaxy Note Official Spare Battery Charger
Samsung Galaxy Note Official Leather Pouch Case - Blue
Samsung Galaxy Note Official Leather Pouch Case - Black
Samsung Galaxy Note Official Flip Cover Case - Blue
Samsung Galaxy Note Official Flip Cover Case - Black

Out of those only the flip case is available. There rest are not even order-able from Samsung, you have to go to vendors like Clove to get one. See what I mean?

I just wanted a Leather Pouch Case, but am made to jump through hoops to get one. Don't Samsung feel confident enough that their own official accessories will sell?

The same applies to Galaxy Nexus. The Official HDMI cradle dock, not even a peep/mention from Samsung, but you get to know more in-depth about it from a video posted on Engadget/Gizmodo from Clove, a third party vendor. WTF?
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umm... I'm not speaking for Samsung, but I think accessories probably isn't their main focus, hence why "its just there" but not truly available (or easily available) to everyone.

and again... sales of the phone do play a significant role here. Be it from 1st party or 3rd party. smile.gif
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post Dec 6 2011, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 6 2011, 11:08 PM)
So I am to accept that I'm not meant to accessorize, even when Samsung themselves make official accessories for these models, but accept it barebones as it is when it is launched? Wow. No wonder resale value drops when it comes to these products.  Having to baby it without protecting it, to avoid scratches or daily usage damages. Or if I do choose to accessorize, I'm faced with a hard time looking for the official accessories, therefore I'm stuck with generic looking silicones, gels and polycarbonates. Great! thumbup.gif
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well, that's how the world works. Just too bad Nexus isn't a sales record breaking phone, aka iPhone. smile.gif

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post Dec 6 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 6 2011, 11:35 PM)
Nope, that's just how Samsung rolls. For some bizarre business-minded reasons. Here I am ready to throw my money at them, and they say "no, thank you".  rclxub.gif

Message to Samsung: "You don't have to break sales records. Just make the accessories you've already made for the phone readily available. This isn't third party, this is first party. These are accessories made by the same manufacturer who made the phone. Hiding them or restricting their circulation only hurts your bottom line. You can't  count the profits until the item flies off the shelves. And this case, you made these official accessories to be sold, right...not just for display? "
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err, apart from Apple, who else makes accessory (particularly cases) for their phones?
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post Dec 6 2011, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(silencer @ Dec 6 2011, 11:47 PM)
Nokia ... I saw Angry Birds cases at their website
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right, so my point being Samsung is not the only manufacturer with this problem is valid.

even then, are Nokia ones available in Msia even before the phone is launched? I remembered my friend who owned an N8 waited for months for Nokia to put the cases on sale in their Nokia store.

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post Dec 7 2011, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:00 AM)
Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, even HTC made their own, with their HTC Rezound image leaked by their case shots.
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really? I don't see them with their cases on. hmm.gif
Most of the time its a blurry shot, and they are naked from what I've seen.

Heck, I've used my Desire for 1 year+, I don't see any HTC made cases before, let alone for Desire model.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:00 AM)
You can fairly rely on the quality of cases made by the official manufacturers, until the device has been in the market long enough and has reached saturation that other third part manufacturers catch up and create cases on par or better(in the case of iPhone/Vapor) than the official manufacturer.

The way I look at it, if third party themselves aren't psyched to create an economically viable ecosystem of accessories on a particular model/brand itself, it does not bode well on their implied level of confidence  at model/brand's lineup. Or because model changes so often that creating accessories for that model will only allow short-lived accessory sale because in a short period of time, it will get replaced by a newer model, which is the case of HTC phones.

Bottom line is, unless the device is made durable or tough as nails (like the Panasonic Toughbooks or Sonim XP3300), cases and screen protectors are inevitable. Docks are niche, but if the device is advertised as officework-friendly/centric, consumer expects a dock/stand/cradle solution. So if they are, and customers expect them, wouldn't it be a financial benefit for the official manufacturers itself to take charge and make one first themselves, rather than leave it to third party manufacturers to create it for them?
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I agree, but that's how it is. Plus, the accessory do exist, just not in Msia (yet, I hope).

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:00 AM)
Which is the point why I brought it up. We're talking Samsung here, so I brought it up, if I'm participating in a Nokia forum, you bet your bottom dollar I'd be bringing this up there. This reluctance/refusal/dont-give-a-damn attitude in providing official accessories when the market clamors for it, is perplexing to say the least. Maybe they're thinking that their purchasers are only interested to buy their phones and not interested in protecting them? If our business model is like them American, then that's probably true, you pay USD100-200 and even if you scratch your phone to hell, you don't feel the pain coz it only costs that much, or you can claim new phone, while still under contract, no questions asked. That line of thought does not work in Malaysia where customers are always treated with doubt first.

The desire to protect stems from how expensive we purchase our devices, and yet, Samsung does not take advantage of this by bringing in even their own official accessories. What gives?
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funny, because from what I've read, Americans actually hated their carries for subsidizing the phone, a 299 dollar phone (GNex) is considered through the roof expensive for them. Although they can probably switch it easily, so they don't care as much for a case to protect their phone, not sure how that works. But the point is, its expensive for them too.

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post Dec 7 2011, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:41 AM)
Look it up, there are tons of cases for those manufacturers. And other accessories as well. Only if you go deeper into the ecosystem of a particular brand would you see their accessories offerings. Going to tech blogs won't expose you to these.
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yea, but you say "leaked". I don't see leak images from official sites.
Do you mind showing me which manufacturer sell their phone cases before the phone is launched?
Because I really can't think of any.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:41 AM)
Saying "that's how it is" doesn't cut it. It's a copout. Why are they(Samsung) more willing to make available their accessories together with their phones outside of the country, and when it comes to local launches, they skimp on it, forcing those who want immediate protection of their purchased device to look for cheap substandard and ugly third party alternatives?
It's expensive for them in the sense that they are more used to getting their phones more subsidized than USD299. The magic figure is USD199, and they'll be willing to bite. Even so, they can evoke the consumer rights to get their phones replaced without much fuss, unlike here where Malaysian telco subsidies are less than what the Americans are getting, and yet you are forced to take care of your expensive purchase with substandard cases, because the official manufacturer refuses to bring in theirs.
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I'm not trying to justify the situation, in fact I agree with what you said, but I'm just saying that's the reality now.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:41 AM)
Senang cerita, instead of all this longwinded grandmother story.

Samsung made available most/all their accessories in overseas launch. Malaysians left with third party options. Why? Don't tell me "that's the way it is, it doesn't improve the situation. Forcing oneself to accept it "as that's the way it is" means pushing the "third party substandard accessories" option to those who had bought their phones and no accessories to protect them with.
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if Malaysia is the exception and not the rule, wouldn't that be Malaysia's problem?

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post Dec 7 2011, 06:41 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 01:22 AM)
I quoted the HTC Rezound leak on the previous example. Read.

What does this "Do you mind showing me which manufacturer sell their phone cases before the phone is launched?
" has to do with the point at hand?

Yes, that's the problem here. More often than not, prospective buyers are more inclined to protect their RM2k investments with "barely good enough" options from third party accessory makers. If I'm Samsung, and I see this happening, I'd be pulling my official accessories lineup off the shelves as fast as I can, and sell it somewhere else where people appreciate quality-made accessories. And this is the place where your previous quote is appropriate, "that is how it is". Sad but painfully true.
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well, yea. HTC Rezound gotten its leak shot with the case on, but this is only like what? one out of 10 cases of leaking? Funnily enough, the link you posted is another tech blog, which you've mentioned to not have the info of manufacturer's accessories.

Also is it available before launch / right after launched (particularly HTC Rezound's in this case)?

Because that is essentially what you're saying here.

The Note has just been launched few days ago, and GNex isn't even launched here officially yet, but you're expecting the manufacturers to bring in the accessories and make them available locally, right? Isn't that the problem we are discussing here?

and again, I do agree with the notion of making high quality cases available locally, especially after the phone is launched.

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post Dec 7 2011, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 01:07 PM)
Ni lagi satu. Read the context of which my post was written in the case of HTC and Rezound, it was a one-shot case, to cater to this question of yours:-
Period. Full stop. If you're insinuating anything more, then that answer wasn't the reply for those insinuations, if any.

And yes, that Rezound case does make it during its American launch.

The point here is, original manufacturer's accessories should be a part of the launch. If not to cover the needs of the buyer during launch, at least to give the impression that the device they're launching comes with some sort of accessory lineup. Samsung, in the case of Galaxy Note, does not. Therefore pushing their buyer's needs to protect their phones to shoddy third party options.
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Err first thing first, do you have to use that condemning tone of yours to get your point across? What's up with that?
If you're resorting to that I could easily outdo you. smile.gif

I'm not insinuating anything here. You were saying why isn't the case/accessories (particularly quality ones) available immediately/before a phone (particularly GNex and Note, or Samsung's part) is made available.

The sample case you've given was like what? One out of ten phones that have been launched recently? If that's the case, its not the norm anymore. Why would you use an exception case like that to prove your point?

Plus, when I said available locally, I mean Malaysia, not America. If you're talking about America, they ALREADY HAVE GNex accessories for sale in their Verizon store, yes even before their GNex is launched.

Then that brings me to this point again, if every other regions have gotten their share of accessories sold locally, wouldn't that means Malaysia's the problem here, and not Samsung?

For whatever reason that is the case, I'm not arguing on that, because I do agree Malaysia too should have the cases sold locally, but it is not happening. At best, resellers are importing them to sell it locally. If you're going to improve on that with action, I'm more than happy to support you.

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post Dec 7 2011, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 04:03 PM)
Hence lies the HUGE freaking problem. Samsung doesn't see it fit to grace us with the chance of getting these official accessories, and we have to rely on reseller to get them? If I have to rely on resellers, I might as well make the purchase online myself, coz these resellers too have to go through the same channel as I am, isn't it?

Say I agree with you saying it's Malaysia's problem. Why is that? I'll let you answer it rather than giving examples on my own, coz everyone seems ready to pounce like a tiger on every answers I provide here, even though it is basically the reason why it is, even if is not pleasant to hear.

I'm not gonna bother elaborating on that sample case you're harping about. You asked about which manufacturer produce their own case, I provided some examples. If you wanna go beyond that and fetch whatever point you wanna give, be my guest. Still doesn't solve the point at hand: "In Soviet Russia, accessories come with phone. In Malaysia, accessories you find yourself after you got phone".

P/S: Unless your computer comes with an app to detect condemnation, that previous reply comes as a more "friendly punch a guy in the shoulder" kinda tone than condemnation. The setting of that app of yours must be screwed up. Eh, your call. I didn't meant that way, but if you take it as such, "what can I do"?*in New Yorker Italian dialect with a shrug*

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Come on la, do we really need an app for detecting condemnation now? doh.gif
What has the world come to?

"ni lagi satu" is pretty condemning, I mean, what do you mean by that? Plus, what's up with all the period, full stop, as if I am not allowed to refute on that? That's not how you discuss something.

you can discuss something without being so defensive about it. Why are you making this like a war or something?

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post Dec 7 2011, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 09:22 PM)
You chose to continue this so I'm just obliging you.

"Ni lagi satu" without context, the way a person would speak of it, and the intonation can mean one thing or another. I clarified that it as what I've told before, your take it as something else. Hence Kobe Brant shrugging it off picture I pasted.

"Period, full stop" is for MY statement, not stopping you from opining yours. In fact, if you notice, I'm THRILLED if I can get someone to tell me how they feel/think about something, ESPECIALLY if they don't agree with me. Don't read too much into something someone posted in a forum, it'll save from making egregious mistake on misinterpreting one's intention later.

Again, nothing defensive about this, just clarifying my stance. You take it as me defensive, I take mine as me being wanting to be clear about where I stand on things. But you seem to have your own way of interpreting things even after a person clarifies it, so I can't do anything other than say "Meh?" or shrug it off.
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Nah, I am pretty sure I interprets things just fine. Its just your choice of words, which seems to be pretty poor if being clear on your stand is all you want. There are easily better ways to put things in a nicer way, I know you're not obliged to do so, but don't get surprised when people misunderstood you that way.

btw, I'm actually happy to see some form of discussion going on in this thread, compared to previously before this "accessory discussion" that has been pretty boring. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Harddisk @ Dec 7 2011, 09:44 PM)
1 points just for NFC, 1 point for BLN?  laugh.gif
Not good if you like to mod your Android, as these apps take up the /system partition size. Some considered them bloatware.

Seems like GNote scores much higher than GNex.  smile.gif

But for me, GNote's size alone already put me off.
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True, this is subjective however. Some people just thinks Note's size is a major plus. silencer just happens to be one of them. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(izamd @ Dec 7 2011, 11:16 PM)
I now try to compile user comment regarding availability of galaxy nexus in malaysia land and accessories to make one nice e-mail directed to SME.From my personnel view and my colleague there seems a lot of interest on this galaxy nexus and the accessories (docking ,HDMI to micro USB connecter,case, ext....). My point.
1-SME should aware that samsung mobile electronic here in malaysia have a lot off loyal followers and user.SME just cannot ignore this cause this is business opportunities.
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wouldn't this require a larger user sample to be of any significance? hmm.gif

QUOTE(Fifi_Bas @ Dec 8 2011, 12:37 AM)
Im having trouble connecting my GNex to my wifi.Can anyone help me please.Thanks
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you'll have to give more specific details... its too vague for "trouble connecting to wifi"


QUOTE(silencer @ Dec 8 2011, 01:43 AM)
The step brother of GNex is GNote..by the way  blush.gif
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should have been more straight forward tongue.gif

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post Dec 8 2011, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(rayzel @ Dec 8 2011, 01:56 PM)
Oh Em Gee i love the phone... short review will be up soon hehehe...
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you bought the phone? looking forward to your review smile.gif
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QUOTE(djlah @ Dec 8 2011, 02:43 PM)
thumbup.gif  that's great, Gnex users increasing...
share with us the review. And also it's accessories recommended, like which SP, case, etc... to buy from.
then suggest TS to pin at 1st page  notworthy.gif
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yup, will do a accessories section in the future
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QUOTE(rattan @ Dec 8 2011, 04:45 PM)
how much is the phone retailing for at the moment ? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 8 2011, 07:18 PM)
Got into some weird glitch just now. The GNex Roboto font went corrupt, instead of alphabets, its reolaced by weird ASCII caharacters and shaded box of greys.

Went into Display, turned the Font to Small, the glitch went away. Turn it back to Normal, it came back. Rebooted, still there. Then noticed the UMobile signal flickering between no signal, 2G and 3G. Turned off GNex, took out the sim. Turned phone on without SIM, font went back to normal. WTF!?

Ditched UMobile now, that network has problem auto-switching between its 2G and 3G network, resulting in often the phone simply losing all signals and says "Emergency calls only" notification. Now using Maxis iPad data package with normal size sim.
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that's a really weird glitch, something to do with signal?

not the first bad Umobile feedback I've gotten so far, my friend's call quality on Umobile has some problem too. When it works, it works flawlessly, when it don't, the call volume become so low, you can't hear what he says at all. =/

So far has the glitch returned after switching to Maxis?
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QUOTE(hussain @ Dec 8 2011, 10:08 PM)
Hi guys just got my nexus...so happy,ts please put me in the list


Added on December 8, 2011, 10:18 pmFrankly watching videos after videos of it does not give due credit to the device..the experience of holding it in your hands and using it , how seamless the os is on the device is out of this world.it's exactly like string said like iOS on iphone ics is on nexus...fits like a glove
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