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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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mois
post Jul 26 2013, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(zar7677 @ Jul 26 2013, 05:26 PM)
Looks like all  the farmers are defeated by the syndicates as they managed to corner the market and the price dropped and has not recovered?
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Yeah. The prices have not recovered, but maybe by RM50 only. It is almost impossible to reach RM4k/kg. As long as the price can average at RM2000/kg, consider very good already.
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post Jul 28 2013, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 27 2013, 11:58 PM)
Think on the better side. Since EBN is so cheap, why not eat more EBN often for health and here, we take Birdnest 3 times a week and
my wife seem to add birdnest to everything.

Yesterday, we had red bean with EBN and it tasted good and you may want to try it. Not point thinking of price of EBN as what in the Newspaper are mostly rubbish even it was reported that our PM was quoted as saying that raw EBN can be exported to China very soon.

If the Govt. want to help, they would have help us longago and promises are
birdshit and I no longer want to appeal to anyone as words are not longer respectful or honest. Let them have their way and even if all the processing plants in Malaysia are allow to export, the price of EBN will remain low as those having the processing plants also have theirEBN and when are they going to buy your'sĀ  unless you sell low and also big, white and less feather EBN.

Sooner or later, the price will return but not like before but maybe a year or two. Meanwhile, sell the better ones and eat the rest for own health to wait out the storm.
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We grew very tough after this incident happened. flex.gif

Future nobody can predict. We just have to assure BH nest will increase over the time. But i wonder 1 thing. If a BH is independent, lets say 5000 nests, how much % is the increment per year?

5000 nests x 2 eggs x 4 cycles = 40 000 baby swiftlets.
Assume 10% survival rate + return home is 4000 new birds. 1 couple 1 nest? or 1 bird 1 nest?

If 1 couple 1 nest, increment is 2000 nests which is 40% increment .
If 1 bird 1 nest, increment is 4000 nests which is 80% increment.

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post Jul 29 2013, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(ALIANG @ Jul 29 2013, 12:10 PM)
NORMAL IT WILL STAGNENT AT THAT STAGE OF 5000 NEST.. MY SIMPLE OPINION..
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Why stagnant at 5000 nests? hmm.gif Should be increase more i assume. Unless throw egg harvest then it is a very different story.
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post Jul 29 2013, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(ALIANG @ Jul 29 2013, 01:23 PM)
CURRENT SITUATION AND 10 YEARS AGO SITUATION ARE DIFFERENT..
MOST OF THE BH NOW WILL GET STAGNENT IN DIFFERENT STAGES B4 THE NEST COUNT DROPS..
NEW BH WILL GET STAGNENT AT FEW HUNDRED NESTS N OLDER BH WILL GET STAGNENT AT FEW THOUSAND NESTS..
STAGNENT BH ARE DUE TO MANY MANY REASONS.... ALL INVOLVE KACASUSU, FLIGHT PATH, BLA BLA BLA...
DIFFERENT BH WILL HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR THIS PROBLEM....

I COULD BE WRONG.. THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD...
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So i think Bh performance is depending on area. Town area might face tight competition. Rural area with big jungle is better since more foods compared to town.

So how is ur BH performance? Got stagnant?

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post Jul 31 2013, 01:35 PM

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Then i think macro and micro environments are important.

Are there any farmers who provide foods to the swiflets? Or just let the bird find their foods naturally? For those who pratice throw eggs harvest, their nest count will drop or stay stagnant?

Because one of my neighbor who practiced throw eggs can harvest 10 times for each nests. He said 2 years ago his nests are stagnant but now is catching up.
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post Aug 1 2013, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 31 2013, 11:43 PM)
Everything is important as EBN collected at different time of the year show the size and texture of EBN....good time get bigger EBNand bad time, thinner nests and too hot and too wet all give different type of nests.

Good point when you pointed out that those BH ownersthat harvest nests before the birds have the opportunity to fledged and still have growth in their BH; where they get their new birds, obviously from youand me...........they are getting birds as they are mostly successful BH shaving at least  few thousand of nests with their smell of broken eggs and old BHs..smeared with years of birds living there.

With so many Bhs going for so little new birds, the seniors always have the advantages unless you have something up your sleeve.

Obviously, that my opinion on the matter only.
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Yeah. Each season the nests are different. April-May nests are still good. But June until today, the nest mostly feathers.

Have you ever change your bird sound? As long there are increment, there is no need to change anything right? Because another friend of mine say that changing sound is good since birds also will get bored by the same sound.
But i dont dare to take the risks laugh.gif.

One thing i hate about operating bird house in village. Blackout are pretty frequent. Consider to use generator.
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post Aug 2 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Aug 1 2013, 09:18 PM)
I'm still alive but too sad to post, just read.

Somebody trying to break into my BH, so far cutting the fence and probably deterred by my other preventive methods. (not to be discussed).

Harvesting nests and cannot sell, is the major headache.

Power blackouts is not a problem. Buy computer UPS system with a large battery. 2 x 7 Ah should run the internal sound for an hour. If your blackouts last longer then you need more batteries, just parallel with the UPS battery.

If you already got about 500 birds, no sound for a little while is not a problem.

Now back to my sulking.
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Why you say you harvest but cannot sell? you refuse to sell or there is no buyer? nowadays price still same 1750, 1450, 1200, 900. +- RM50. cool2.gif

Everyday wait and wait for raw to increase. But now no more. Just hope there wont be any drop. shakehead.gif


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post Aug 11 2013, 05:07 PM

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Just did some performance tracking on my BH. On 12 months basis, increased 40% compared to 60% on the previous years.

Normally what kind of planks do you guys use? some of my planks got many fungus already.
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post Aug 13 2013, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(tongserseng @ Aug 12 2013, 08:15 PM)
Brother me too got fungus problem at the lower floor, since that time i stop using humidifier at lower floor, but upper floor there is no problem for me so far. This season nest whiter and bigger  drool.gif
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Weird. My place most nests are having more feather. Last season is the best. This season not sure yet. Need wait another 2 weeks or 1 month to see result. My dream is to achieve 10k nests. Hopefully everything goes smoothly. Btw, just sold few kgs yesterday.

Less feather - RM1700
AB -RM1400
Banci - RM1200

Everywhere the prices are almost the same
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post Aug 15 2013, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(tigerwui @ Aug 15 2013, 01:54 PM)
Hi Mois, sorry for asking a noob question. What do you mean by Banci? If nest is 180 degree but the bottom side is empty due to using fake nest & nest build on backside of speaker, this type of nest clasify as what category?
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Banci is corner with round planks. Some called it 135 degree nest

Unfortunately i have no answer for your question. I think buyer probably will category them as patahan rm800-900.

@samswiflet. My price is from sarawak. So if in sarawak, just pm me. I cant make it public due to their personal reason. If you from peninsular, logistic cost will be beared by yourself. So i think not worth la.

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post Aug 18 2013, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(KucingSpy @ Aug 18 2013, 12:48 PM)
Hi ! Like to check the status (financial & emotional) of all those bird nest farmers out there ....
Still licking your wounds or just accepted the 'low price' regime and move on ??

Many of you still keeping tonnes of bird nests in your fridges or disposing of without a single feather left ?

Please share ! I am a beginner in this industry and just want to know the current status.

Thank you very much for not vending your frustration on me .....!!

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Accept low price and move on. Harvest and sell. In term of financial, getting better because better growth. Emotional not really fine due to low price.

How is your harvest?
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post Aug 19 2013, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(Barber @ Aug 19 2013, 07:35 PM)
SOS! Discover termite in BH ,sprayed fendona around plank, don't know if it will works, masters kindly advise.
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Noooo! You shouldnt spray fendona on plank. Yes it will work but dont do it again. You just spraw at floor or wall.
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post Aug 21 2013, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(KucingSpy @ Aug 18 2013, 06:05 PM)
I am just a beginner
I did not build a bird house from scratch, instead I took advantage of the depress bird nest market to buy direct from a successful farm house (around 500 nest) with knocked down price... I have yet to do my first harvest
Need to learn from all the Sifu , masters, and experts here
Hope that in the near future China allow import again so everybody especially Master West Wing can cheer up and write more here !!!

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You buy the bird house at what price? RM100/nest or RM200/nest? The BH how old? If you buy at cheap price and that area has a good growth rate, then your break-even period should be short.

And during harvest, make sure dont throw eggs. If baby swiftlet is on floor, try pick them up and put them back into nest. Although the survival chance is low, at least can try. Goodluck to you and all of us.
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post Aug 22 2013, 07:42 AM

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I think some of us here are immune to so called good news. We have been waiting for like...2 years? But anyways, news like that should be good.
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post Sep 1 2013, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(KucingSpy @ Sep 1 2013, 10:22 AM)
Is the current price (1000-1500) is the lowest in the past 20 years ?

Do you think it will go down further to, say, 500-700 per kilo, ... And for how long ?

2-5 years bear run ?

Or next year the price will rebound slowly back to 4500-5000 regime ?

Lets share our opinions here and see whether this industry is still worth venturing into ?

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Nobody dare to predict. Current price pretty much stable. 4k above is impossible. Rm2k-2.5k average per kg is more reasonable.

Still worth to venture? I think no. Unless you buy ready made BH with thousand nests in it.
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post Sep 1 2013, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(KucingSpy @ Sep 1 2013, 05:44 PM)
to share with fellow swiftlets farmers, a new I got from Kwang Min Yit Poh dated 28-8-13

Basically it said the price of bird nest has risen from 1200 /kg to 1650/ kg , is it true ?

I found most of the news related to bird nests are from Chinese dailies
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Average or what? Now less feather rm1750. If average then is rm1200-1300.
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post Sep 2 2013, 12:46 PM

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This batch of stocks are meant to meet the demand for mooncake festivals. God knows what happen after mooncake festival. Legal export no news at all.
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post Sep 3 2013, 11:56 AM

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How do you guys settle termites problem? Worker say use fendona on planks. But i think thats not really the best option. Afraid the termintes might spread into other areas
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post Sep 9 2013, 01:39 PM

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You guys mean love potion ah?
http://swiftletfarmer.blogspot.com/
This thing i tried before. Few years back. Not much different, can say no result. Sure they will tell you it is good, suitable for low nest and high nest.

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Meaning china will be importing soon ah?

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