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V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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mois	Aug 14 2012, 10:17 AM Return to original view \| Post #41
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	So far any update regarding to RFID issue? i try to google up everyday but news are outdated.
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mois	Aug 14 2012, 06:38 PM Return to original view \| Post #42
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	Thanks for the link. Btw, i wonder do you guys open the humidifier at night? I am still using the old taiwan humidifer but i noticed the humidity at top level is not sufficient although i open 45mins x 4 times a day. The nests are dry but some cracked though. Perhaps swiftletgod humidifer or FogValley humidifier are better solutions? But then these humidifiers cost a bomb and not cost effective compared to taiwan which we can get at RM320-RM380 range This post has been edited by mois: Aug 14 2012, 06:39 PM
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mois	Aug 22 2012, 08:44 PM Return to original view \| Post #43
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	At the moment the market price still at rm1600-rm1700? This is really pathetic price
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mois	Sep 3 2012, 06:33 PM Return to original view \| Post #44
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	Sigh this week bird nest price around rm1600, rm1200, rm1000. So sad to see these figures. I dont know if the buyers are taking advantage or those in hong kong. But buyer told me bird nest consumption in china are dropping drastically.
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mois	Sep 27 2012, 09:00 AM Return to original view \| Post #45
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	Just want to update the raw prices in sarawak Super A rm2100 AB rm1700 Banci rm1500 Triangle rm1300 Pecahan rm900-100 Big crack rm700 How about the prices in peninsular? Small crack/dust rm300
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mois	Sep 27 2012, 08:12 PM Return to original view \| Post #46
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	QUOTE(West Wing @ Sep 27 2012, 06:14 PM) Yesterday, 2 local buyers came and told me that they represent buyers from Vietnam and wish to know the price @ my location as they are interested to buy and in large quantity. I told them that normally, the buyers would quote us a price and if the price is right, we will sell.............they told me that AB, they offer Rm1800-RM2000 as the present market price and can negotiate if EBN quality is good. They want a constant of 100K to 200K per month and I told them that this is no problem provided if the Vietnamese can offer good value for our nests and I can assured them of the supply. So, anyone here from Vietnam or know anything about the situation in Vietnam and is there a shortage of nests there? The local buyers for the Vietnamese told me that Vietnam now not only produce bottled nests(mostly) as I knew long ago but that they are in the buz of producing Yen chang for export ( secretly, you know and I know if so, it's must be for China market for other countries don't care much for Yen Chang and prefer processed nests in cake form or bottled whichever is cheaper) also.....therefore, we, Malaysian are always initially first as Malaysian are good in taking opportunities but now, already behind other countries in every trades, thanks to our intelligent and hardworking minister and his gang!!!!!! for the kind interferences and you know what!!!!!! Anyway, above are just my observation and "Berita Hari Ini" to share among friends......or sufferers should I said. Omg uncle. How come so many people visit you one? If that is the price for AB, then my prices here are undervalued by RM100. 10kgs already RM1000 difference banyak sakit hati. You mean they want 100-200kgs of nest or nest worth RM100k-RM200k?
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mois	Oct 3 2012, 10:45 AM Return to original view \| Post #47
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	QUOTE(tuckfook @ Oct 2 2012, 10:34 PM) All the fundamental requirements for a successful BH are in this forum. There is NO set style and as such requires keen observation of the surroundings. One method that is successful in one area may not work at all in another area, but the fundamental requirements are similar. You need someone who is willing to spend time to study your intended BH and immediate area to see if it can be feasible. It takes time, effort and experience to ascertain if the building and area will be good or mediocre. Having said that, even the most experienced sometimes produce 'lemons'. Good Luck. I have to agree some pros can even produce lemons. Earlier this year, i posted some photos on my newly extended bird house. 10 months later as today, not even a single bird nest in the new BH. Old and new BH just side to side, i connect them internally and use the same sounds. Still no result. Going to make some modification during semester break. Throughout my observation in recent years, i notice swiftlet does change their behavior. Previously it was quite easy to lure the birds into my bird house. But now, it is so difficult even i fail to lure my own bird in the past 10 months.
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mois	Oct 15 2012, 04:10 PM Return to original view \| Post #48
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	For those who have few thousand nests in a single BH, what is yearly increment percentage in nest count in your area? 30%, 50%, 70%, 100%? Need a benchmark for populated BH though.
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mois	Oct 17 2012, 10:59 AM Return to original view \| Post #49
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	QUOTE(West Wing @ Oct 16 2012, 05:47 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « My friend, When one is having afew thousand nests, most of them will no longer be around or interested anymore. They aren't going to feed you the information and even if they are around, they certainly will not tell or are them asking for trouble. But as far as I know, the truth is that not all are the same even in the same area. Here, in town....one of my friends having a BH of 500nests 8 months ago now has 800 nests but another friend told me that his few thousands nests BH now has lesser 15% compare to last year. But then, another friend having few thousands nests told me that his BH has OK increment but can't provide an actual figure. So, all depend on how you maintain your BHs even at the same location, you may get different results. To be honest with all, I would happily say that if you are a breeder, your BH will surely and obviously see an increment of nests no matter what others around experiencing....... but then, the pull of gold is greater than preservation or helping the species to propagate which only a small percentage will go to your BH while the bigger percentage will benefit your neighbors which now becoming your competitors in luring new birds which I can't see why so....as we are friends and should be unite and share views and experience for the betterment of all farmers( Protectors of swifltlets). To think that the gain of another is the loss of your's is selfish and totally rubbish in the industry as we all contribute toward this community. Even if today, you contribute some to your neighboring new BH, in near future, this BH will contribute back to your BH as your old BH can draw in more birds than the newer BHs around. Having said so, there was this one old story that a successful BH owners purposely refused to allow birds to breed in his BH to kill off neighboring new BHs so that they will sell off their BHs after a year of poor achievement ..... and he successful bought up afew BH in the same row of shoplots. Well, that's the story that I heard.......and the rest are obviously my opinion to share. Thanks you for valueable input WW! You always the best when it comes to sharing information I have a bad news for swiftlet farming industry. My buyer told me his boss in indonesia has around 480tonnes of bird nest unsold. We have heard indonesia can export their bird nest to china. But the truth is, their nest havent appear in chinese market especially in Guangzhou. The reason why the price now is low is because of no demand for bird nest consumption. If china delay bird nest issue longer, more people will forget about bird nest. This is the main treat for swiftlet industry. Supply vs demand thing. Production of bird nest increase mutiple fold ever since. If you harvest 2kgs today, next year you will be harvesting 4kg. That is 100% increment. Regional prices of raw nest is almost similar to us. Swiftlet industry future is on China's hand now. One more thing, this month production of bird nest is low due to breeding season. In december, everyone harvests will increase about 2-3 times. Buyer side already predict rm1300 for AB. This is so doomed. This post has been edited by mois: Oct 17 2012, 11:02 AM
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mois	Oct 18 2012, 12:54 PM Return to original view \| Post #50
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	Never say die! Due to low price and bleak future, nobody really pay much attention to this industry anymore. We just harvest and do the cleaning every 2 weeks for side income(if a bh yield 6-7kgs monthly still can fetch rm10k!) Cant hope much for prices to rise. As said by WW, some fellows already graduated from here and their BH is on auto pilot mode which now requires maintainance every 2 weeks. So some of them really busy i guess. But i am free so i think still can help you abit. Regarding to the harvest, from personal experience we harvest the fledged one only. Newly build or eggs never touch. If you dont harvest, chances that the bird will lay eggs on that nest again. We called that double wall nest. Normally yellowish in colour since quite old. This kind of nest belong to grade C. My personal advice, harvest the fledged ONLY. If you see some swiftlet baby on floor, put them in the nest. If you treat swiftlet with care, they will reward you. More like karma thing. Throw eggs harvest is no no no. This post has been edited by mois: Oct 18 2012, 12:55 PM
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mois	Oct 20 2012, 02:31 PM Return to original view \| Post #51
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	10 years ago with 4000 thousand nests. I am sure that BH is full for now. With that amount of nest, does bird still fly away?
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mois	Oct 21 2012, 09:04 PM Return to original view \| Post #52
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	QUOTE(West Wing @ Oct 21 2012, 07:31 PM) It's all depend on the BH like a BH having over 8K nests and it able to sustain the number due to the 5 stories shop lots and having a reasonable entrance. Sometime, one wonder how the BH can sustain such a huge number of birds and each time you enter the BH, you can only estimate a few thousand of birds and where and when will the remaining birds return home? Why didn't the sky turns dark when the birds return to roast? But the counting of nests proved that the BH has over 8K nests and if so, there will certainly be traffic jammed and why no accident happen? The only reason should be that the birds have really very good eyesight and hearing to prevent any accident and also my belief is that the birds return at different time of the days and sometime even on different days in order to avoid traffic jammed situation in the BH. What I saw in such BH was that the birds no longer fly in circle but just like humming birds but they don't knock into each other and that's take alot of skill in flying. Just my observation in the field if providing sanctuaries for swiftlets. I agreed with what you said. Sometimes i see less birds are returning. I thought the number of birds are decreasing, but to my surprise they are increasing. Back then my BH the swiftlet really fly in circle in order to get into the entrance. But now, i think they learn how to fly in without accident. And yes they dont fly in circle anymore. Like plane straight landing inside It takes normally 30 minutes for all of the swiftlet to get inside. In order to sustain huge population of bird, what else modification should be made on the BH? Do we really need to make the entrance bigger? How about during the night? If a floor is 60-70% populated, i guess the temperature generated by the birds quite high. I have no digital thermometer so i cannot record down the temperature at night. Only during the days at 27-29C. This post has been edited by mois: Oct 21 2012, 09:05 PM
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mois	Oct 23 2012, 11:03 PM Return to original view \| Post #53
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	QUOTE(philoswiflet @ Oct 23 2012, 07:07 PM) A few years back, I was so unhappy with my farm which is a total failure that I decided to enlarge the outer hole (it used to be a window type) so that it became like a extra large LCD TV... there wasn't much action the first day but the next day, I saw many birds visiting my farm... I was ecstatic but this state of affair did not last long... only for three tantalizing days... and so it was back to the drawing board for new ideas.... I had so many down days in my career as a swiftlet farmer.... thank god I managed to fight my way into some minor successes... hope to gain greater successes hopefully by next year! You didnt build monkey house? How old is your BH and the performance? Perhaps can ask WW come out limteh since he can provide you some classified kungfus
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mois	Oct 24 2012, 10:58 PM Return to original view \| Post #54
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	QUOTE(West Wing @ Oct 24 2012, 05:01 PM) My friend, Don't save when your health is at state and one spray of this chemical last so long and I don't even remember the last time I did it......... when I don't feel it or see it hurting my birds, I don't take action. that's my way. Never spray too often as you don't need to and also it's not good for your health or that of the birds.. but you said that you spayed 2 weeks once, you either must be using fake chemical or that you have diluted it too much to be effective. You still feel itchy so you must be OK cos these days, all here are already numb all over...hahahaha. I spray fendona 2 weeks once when my worker clean the faeces. Otherwise the nests will have kutu on it. You dont spray anything? How often do you clean the faeces?
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mois	Nov 11 2012, 03:56 PM Return to original view \| Post #55
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	Latest Price i get in sarawak Full cup RM1500 Triangle RM1200 Just few weeks ago, all those underwater nests cannot enter china through hong kong anymore. I dont see much short term good news or even stimilus. Industry is so dead with little hope.
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mois	Nov 11 2012, 09:23 PM Return to original view \| Post #56
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	QUOTE(calvinswiftlet @ Nov 11 2012, 09:01 PM) Where can I buy the nest with this price??????? Sarawak here. One of my buyer quote. What is the price over your place?
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mois	Nov 14 2012, 06:33 PM Return to original view \| Post #57
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	QUOTE(analaiser @ Nov 14 2012, 04:30 PM) Dear all sifus, Thanks for the advise. It really helped me to make the decisions. Anyway everything there is a cycle. Got ups and down. Once sifus here can weather this big storm, good days is waiting ahead and there will be new peak of this industry. Please dun give up and persevere. It is true that everything has a cycle. We already been in this superstorm for a year and already suffered 70% drop in nest price. The price has never goes up since then. Good days ahead? Most farmers can only hope for the best including me. If the industry back to the peak, we all huat. If down again, we all gone.
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mois	Nov 14 2012, 09:25 PM Return to original view \| Post #58
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 14 2012, 07:07 PM) We have gone thru many ups and downs but only those God's creation but never have we encounter such forces of human interventions and problems of human creation.......again and again. Good days will surely come but when, is the Q of the day.....but till today, no white/silver lining has been seen in the horizon yet. We all know that every storm has an ending and no matter of how bad and dark the sky, it will turn clear again but when storms created by human intervention are involved, every up will became a new downward flow and worse maybe created although never expected. Imagine that more than a year has passed and no news of our natural unprocessed nests to be able to be exported and the authorities are boosting that the problem solved and what has been solved?? I will only be happy if the day they allow us to export unprocessed nests to any part of the world which surely hopefully include China, the biggest consumers of EBN. Like our authorities went to China to solve palm oil export and return happily announcing that China will be buying our durians...oh God!!! how much durian in the form MSW can we sell to China. It's like going to sell cows and end up selling duck eggs and we don't have many ducks either. Like always, my opinion on the matter only as nothing to do but Bla Bla Bla only... If the government is keen to solve the problems, we wont have to form association to right now. So basically right now these associations formed lately is to go against the government monopoly policy. Nor Omar and pornstar son are the possible culprits tho. Although the best things can be done is to kick them out in the next GE. But it is a bet, what if BN wins? We would have to rely on associations to fight them for legal exports. Actually this is 2nd issue. Main issue is still china wanna let the exports continue or not. Without china cooperation, duck eggs also cannot enter their borders. Cows also need passport to enter Speaking about diplomatic relationship, China-Malaysia is good that is why we can export cleaned nest previously and indonesia cannot so they have to export via our country. Next time if we cannot export but Indonesia can, our turn to export via indonesia. As long as China allow exports, this industry can be saved again. But raw price at 4k above is unlikely, i would say RM2K-RM3K plus is reasonable.
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mois	Nov 22 2012, 08:29 PM Return to original view \| Post #59
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	As long China doesnt allow export, then all bird nests will take a hit. Only those flexible exporter will make money and they will too control the industry. Farmers like us, just can wait to harvest and sell. China bird nest consumption is low for now since no stocks. Low demand + cannot export, I wouldnt surprise if nests drop to RM1000. By that time, only those who harvest alot can make money. You see, the way they handle the protocol is quite slow. If before CNY still not yet resolved, then what can we expect? Just imagine all the nests from Asia are pilling up, cannot enter china. What will happens? Basic supply and demand tell you that price will drop for retail and raw.
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mois	Dec 15 2012, 03:23 PM Return to original view \| Post #60
Enemy Territory Senior Member 3,626 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Hornbill land	Just sold 6kgs. After grading all those nests worth rm8000 only. But what to do, current market is so bad. Now got AB rm1450. Only A can rm1700. The rest no shape rm1000
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