well..i am thankful for jedi guide..although I struggle abit to follow play tiki taka...hehe

I normally just apply tactic these days...think i too old or busy with work to create my own..

I'm not sure how am I being harsh. I just commented that I don't understand the joy of using others' tactics. I also never mentioned that you were trying to brag or show off your tactics by uploading it here. I personally just feel more joy slowly experimenting with my own tactics.

im trying plying this game with 442. there is so many shots on goal, but it seems my striker cant put it in goal. What role should my striker be? thankz

If you are playing 442, 1 striker should preferably be in a support role while the other in an attack role. The 1 in the attack role can be a Advanced Forward, Poacher or even a complete forward if you want. I usually play the other striker as a Complete Forward or a Deep Lying Forward. I imagine my strikers playing off each other. So 1 between midfield and attack and the other playing off the shoulder off the last defender. Something like a Rooney and a Hernandez type combo. But your supply line to your strikers also play a huge part. Are your wingers cutting in, playing through balls or crosses? Where are they crossing from? Are your midfielders playing through balls?

You should also check if you allow your players to shoot from distance often or rarely. I've set this to rarely because I'd rather my players play the ball around then to take a long range shot.

some people does not have time or really understand how roles, position and duties work. while some others prefers to use whatever tactics that can give them win.

however at the end of the day, everyone of us is the winner (although some might get relegated or sacked, or the worst case game get crashed -FFFFUUU) as long as people are happy, I don't see why "I don't understand the joy of using other's tactics" should be raised at the first place.

However i still stucked with FM11, tak sanggup nak upgrade to FM12. loving so much my current team.

thankz for the reply. Well my striker position is two at the front. Parallel.
I play my midfield as 2 wingers, where they cross from err touch line? (cant remember when i post this). Im playing Liverpool team, and my left side is downing and at right is Kuyt. I put both do crosses, but i doubt kuyt ability to cross, but i just put him do crosses. The other two is, one is doing Defensive, and the other one attacking. Both of them do through ball. About long shot, i cant remember..but i rarely touch on that setting. I will try as you say, about the striker. thankz again.

I want to share for those having problem on tactics, roles, duty and training:

Guide to Football Manager 2012

I think its valid for FM2011 as well... its not a definite win guide but some info or suggestion for you team.

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Added on January 13, 2012, 8:48 am@Jedi or others,

Cared to advice?

I need to set my current tactics with sideline instruction 'Retain Possession' & 'Take More Risk' every start of the game in Pep Talk (with Overload).

Do you know which player instruction I need to change If I want both sideline instruction to be permanent in my tactics...

By applying those instructions, my team able to cope (draw/win) against big team. Better possesion and high chances on goal. Yellow card chances is high as well since I believe its due to instruction 'take more risk'.

FYI, important player attribute based on their role & duty... the min is 8 points...

my current tactics (4-5-1):

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This post has been edited by exkaizen: Jan 13 2012, 09:05 AM

I assume you want to play the current Arsenal retaining, Manchester United's risk-taking type of football. Which team are you using? or which league are you playing...because there are two styles of playing

Picking one role to get the best out of a single star will not have the same effect as picking 11 roles to form a team unit. - quote from first post of the thread

To take more risk, u mean in daring to close down on players with hard tackles, or to put in more fabregas-scholes-like of long range passes with sudden counter?
Its actually a good tactic to have 4 very high creative midfielders >15, >15 flair to fit into your tactic, on striker's instruction u should get them forward more often, if you want a Brazil Ronaldo or Van Nistelrooy/Chicarito(must have decent >15 anticipation, off the ball with preferably acceleration and pace, if economical can slow striker like huntelaar) set a poacher with closing down of 0 bar. - For Your ONLY striker in your formation (no trequarista - that is very rooney and they supply balls to others besides getting shots)

Lastly bec of the risks, defenders should close down at own area (not all the pitch) to avoid opponent's counter attack, defensive anchorman (ZONAL marking)
in tiki-taka, even though its played with tight marking, all players have free roles so it basically act like the zonal marking upgrade. which u can try.

thats my 2 cents

ok... tq bro

This post has been edited by exkaizen: Jan 15 2012, 12:43 AM

Some question on this tactic.

Is it preferable to have an agile defender than a slower defender??? It seems most of time my backline owez kena expose by striker like Bent or Chicarito explosive run (I use Arsenal and Mertesacker is slower than a snails)

Since RvP have a veggies leg (weak leg and easy to injured while playing)
Is it wise to use Chamakh as no 9 or just use a AMC to replace the deficiencies in Creative Forward?

I also notice that both wide forward also need to be agile + creative...aite???

There's few ways to counter being expose by striker, IMHO:

a) play offside + push up defense line + good sweeper keeper
b) high acceleration + anticipation + decision + tight mark + man marking (if the striker always runs with ball, try not to do hard tackling - hard tackling afraid striker able to dodge/avoid the tackle)
c) close down more to AMC/MC for them to make more mistakes thus not able to supply good ball to striker

Some question on passing.

Team instruction
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playing style - shorter
defenseive line - push up (full)
width - narrow
tempo - slow
time wasting - normal
focus passing - through the middle

currently playing 4-3-3
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player instruction
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passing - short
creativity - (CD - little, WB - normal)

Since defensive line has been push up (full bar), the position of midfield area and defensive area is close. passing route from midfield to forward/strike is good no cross/pass to feet.

My problem now is my defensive line most of the time pass directly to my forward instead of defensive -> midfield -> forward. Any idea to make them pass the ball from defensive -> midfield - > forward instead of defensive -> forward directly (contribute to loss posession & low passing rate)

When U play against team which has fast strikers, decrease the defensive line(pull down) accordingly. Do not try high pressure coz gud strikers would always beat the offside trap

This post has been edited by gengstapo: Feb 9 2012, 09:59 AM

Hmm been trying your advice... Work kinda nice when I can disable explosive run from Chicharito heheheh

What is your formation/ tactic? Tic-Tac arr??

Tic Tac when deeper become direct counter attack from defense hahah

I use mr Hough sometimes

I dont know how to use the old traditional tactic, I just use the normal style..

So far seems fine with Spurs



1st & 2nd seasons..

hi guise, will tiki taka prevent opponents from scoring?

i am currently playing leeds, using a tweaked parking bus destroyer tactic i used with my man utd save. i can score a lot of goals with this tactic but i am looking for a more controlled/short passing/frustrate the opponent approach while i'm still in division 1.

I tot if want to play tika taka the tempo should be very slow ?

This post has been edited by Sifha238: Feb 18 2012, 12:06 AM

Yes, the tempo should be slow. Take your time to pass the ball around to look for opportunities and force the opponents into making a mistake.

Anyways, I'm so happy right now.