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post Dec 26 2011, 02:28 AM

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if your full bac got >15 crosses, then put it to 'sometimes' my CBs put long direct crosses to strikers even though were instructed to 'rarely'...

@2nd problem, very techincal players with good finishers are really needed...tiki-taka is not for poor technical players..
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 26 2011, 02:28 AM)
if your full bac got >15 crosses, then put it to 'sometimes' my CBs put long direct crosses to strikers even though were instructed to 'rarely'...

@2nd problem, very techincal players with good finishers are really needed...tiki-taka is not for poor technical players..
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thanks dude, my plymouth player play like barca at league 2, now got up division to league 1.... rclxms.gif
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post Dec 27 2011, 09:42 AM

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Oh yeah guys for whoever is using this tactic, do you mind checking the tactics analysis and see how many passes your players (continuously) make in the buildup to scoring a goal from open play?

If you make 20+ passes before scoring a goal I'd say that you're emulating Barca well enough

If my players would only learn to to take long shots whenever they can sweat.gif , adjusting the long shots instructions does not seem to help that much hmm.gif
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post Dec 27 2011, 06:41 PM

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no, long shots should be set to rarely. (tic-tac does not takes risks)

apisfires you are welcome!
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post Dec 27 2011, 11:37 PM

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Managing N9 Betaria (Malaysia Premier League)... using the tactic in this thread and adjust it a bit according to my player pool... so far possession more than 60% entire game... able to score at least 2 goal... but having problem with opposition manage to score against me between kick-off till first 15 minutes...

Since using it half of the season... not able to secure promotion...

It might be I don't have a good defence.. T.T

Thanks for a great tips & tactics

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Thanks for all the tips, Jedi and et al.

I haven't played a lot as I've been too busy lately.

Anyways, I've become the king of 1-0s lol. Consistently getting 1 - 0 and the occasional 2 - 0.

Best defence in the league, but maybe around 2nd or 3rd best attack.

Possession has been great, but as usual, the team can get 20+ shots on goal, but less than half on target.

I was unbeaten this season, until the team got knocked out of the League Cup to, of all teams, Man City. vmad.gif Even then, it was 1 - 1 at full time and they knicked it in extra time. I guess that's what happens when I play the B team against them. brows.gif

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post Dec 28 2011, 06:01 PM

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the 1-0 2-0s i supposed, stem from this?

Park the Bus, i get that too, but IMO Javier Hernandez (excellent finishing and quickness) is a little over-rated, keeps scoring and solves this problem by being my centre man..

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of course, I lose matches too, I lost twice in BPL latest season of my game 17-18, one from set piece, one from the genius alan shearer who is my jinx...always wins or draw or lose narrowly...(counter attack+superman keeper when against Man Utd, park the bus)

I told the press I have no idea how I lost that game...haha

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post Dec 28 2011, 07:06 PM

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hey jedi, i guess i have the same problem as newbie too. I am trying your tactics for MU, just wondering how you get them score more?? maybe just need to play more games?? haha...


Added on December 28, 2011, 7:08 pmi notice in ur other post rooney had like 43 goals and hernandez 64.. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 28 2011, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(anechoic @ Dec 28 2011, 07:06 PM)
hey jedi, i guess i have the same problem as newbie too. I am trying your tactics for MU, just wondering how you get them score more?? maybe just need to play more games?? haha...


Added on December 28, 2011, 7:08 pmi notice in ur other post rooney had like 43 goals and hernandez 64.. thumbup.gif
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on average, the score should be 2-0 for every match come the end of season with frequent 1-0s vs strong teams, 3/4-0 vs weak teams, and minimal losses throughout the season.
I just want to play beautiful football, not goals galore...its boring after 4 seasons of FM series for me with 130+ goals per season but heart attack moments of risky, direct, fast tempo game. now I concede <9 goals per EPL..
to score goals like me...uhhh utilise them on cup games, I am not the exact SAF type, since i rotate practically all 11 men for every match *2 sets of players*, so if they happen to play against weaker EPL or cup teams, they score more. Hernandez is a little imba on form *like the CM 01/02 dude*

+ I do exploit the corner attack near post to get wins .. as u can see from the squad screen on another thread tongue.gif


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post Dec 28 2011, 07:44 PM

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tested against a korean club in pre season friendly last nite, won 1-3 with 64%....need more advices

issit put all 10 outfield players passing as short? or just from midfield to strikers?

wingers put run with ball often or rarely?

wingers/full backs crossing put high or medium or low?

anyway, great tactic to explore apart from the usual direct football tactic i've been using since fm07 thumbup.gif
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post Dec 28 2011, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Dec 28 2011, 07:44 PM)
tested against a korean club in pre season friendly last nite, won 1-3 with 64%....need more advices

issit put all 10 outfield players passing as short? or just from midfield to strikers?

wingers put run with ball often or rarely?

wingers/full backs crossing put high or medium or low?

anyway, great tactic to explore apart from the usual direct football tactic i've been using since fm07 thumbup.gif
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widemen/fullbacks - cross or not depends on the ability, if got more than 15, can set to sometimes.

for me. i adjusted the 2CMs and frontmen as mixed. team instructions as long.
last time only 0-0, 1-0 or lost. now can get all win in La Liga with my Malaga. (Huntelaar as STC) tongue.gif


if still cant manage to find the net, try to set the STR STL creativity to highest

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 28 2011, 07:21 PM)
on average, the score should be 2-0 for every match come the end of season with frequent 1-0s vs strong teams, 3/4-0 vs weak teams, and minimal losses throughout the season.
I just want to play beautiful football, not goals galore...its boring after 4 seasons of FM series for me with 130+ goals per season but heart attack moments of risky, direct, fast tempo game. now I concede <9 goals per EPL..
to score goals like me...uhhh utilise them on cup games, I am not the exact SAF type, since i rotate practically all 11 men for every match *2 sets of players*, so if they happen to play against weaker EPL or cup teams, they score more. Hernandez is a little imba on form *like the CM 01/02 dude*

+ I do exploit the corner attack near post to get wins .. as u can see from the squad screen on another thread  tongue.gif
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icic..guess kinda frustating since many chance to score but cannot find the net. and the media expects to beat the small team with great margins..haha.
but its good not to concede much since the the devastato tactic is good in offence but concedes a number of goals.

thinking to get a really good free kick specialist since always get foul near the penalty box.. laugh.gif


Added on December 30, 2011, 10:15 pmusing this tactic makes Nani play like a half-Messi on the right..haha

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post Jan 5 2012, 10:33 AM

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Finally won the league. Using nothing but the tactic inspired by Jedi's tic-tac. Thanks dude!! Very satisfying!!

There're still many areas for improvement, though. While I have the best defence in the league by a mile, I only have the 5th or 6th best attack. sweat.gif I'm still tweaking it and there are slight changes here and there that I'm planning. Like adding the near post on corners trick. That trick works up to which version of FM2012?

I've also changed the way I deploy the front 3 attackers, making the two wide attackers my finishers and setting them to swap positions and put minimal crosses and through balls, while putting my high creativity and passing attackers in the middle with through ball sometimes.

My toughest matches have all been against rivals. E.g. City is practically invincible. sweat.gif Luckily my team was the more consistent team.
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yeah, swap positions smile.gif thats what i do, bec u know..the opponents..

wide attackers have play through balls, play one-twos as well, thats how barca plays, with bojan and javier hernandez preffered moves, as well as rooney, things go easy really smile.gif tutor the youths

corner trick works up to before the christmas patch, (i dont know whats the version)
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Jan 5 2012, 03:14 PM)
yeah, swap positions smile.gif thats what i do, bec u know..the opponents..

wide attackers have play through balls, play one-twos as well, thats how barca plays, with bojan and javier hernandez preffered moves, as well as rooney, things go easy really smile.gif tutor the youths

corner trick works up to before the christmas patch, (i dont know whats the version)
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Yeah, I've been doing that, but I used to put my finisher in the middle and wingers on the wings with through ball "sometimes". Now I put the finishers on the wings with through balls set to "rare" and a sorta playmaker in the middle.

But I did miss out something. I realise I'm not making full use of the PPMs as I've been too lazy to go through each player's attributes, possible positions, etc. I'll start them on the "plays one-twos". Maybe that's my missing link. lol.

I've basically been trying to build the whole tactic from scratch based on the philosophies and tips given in this thread without referring to your tic tac. I'm realising that FM has so much detail in the tactics and training screen these days. Nothing like what it used to be. It's hard to incorporate every detail as I don't even know about them or don't know how to use them.

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jan 6 2012, 11:45 AM)
Yeah, I've been doing that, but I used to put my finisher in the middle and wingers on the wings with through ball "sometimes". Now I put the finishers on the wings with through balls set to "rare" and a sorta playmaker in the middle.

But I did miss out something. I realise I'm not making full use of the PPMs as I've been too lazy to go through each player's attributes, possible positions, etc. I'll start them on the "plays one-twos". Maybe that's my missing link. lol.

I've basically been trying to build the whole tactic from scratch based on the philosophies and tips given in this thread without referring to your tic tac. I'm realising that FM has so much detail in the tactics and training screen these days. Nothing like what it used to be. It's hard to incorporate every detail as I don't even know about them or don't know how to use them.
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Yup... I've tried also to build the whole tactic from scratch like you but it hard actually as I don't know some of the changes in the player setting will result into... T.T
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post Jan 6 2012, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jan 6 2012, 11:45 AM)
Yeah, I've been doing that, but I used to put my finisher in the middle and wingers on the wings with through ball "sometimes". Now I put the finishers on the wings with through balls set to "rare" and a sorta playmaker in the middle.

But I did miss out something. I realise I'm not making full use of the PPMs as I've been too lazy to go through each player's attributes, possible positions, etc. I'll start them on the "plays one-twos". Maybe that's my missing link. lol.

I've basically been trying to build the whole tactic from scratch based on the philosophies and tips given in this thread without referring to your tic tac. I'm realising that FM has so much detail in the tactics and training screen these days. Nothing like what it used to be. It's hard to incorporate every detail as I don't even know about them or don't know how to use them.
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I think building the whole tactic from scratch should be the way. I don't understand why so many players like to utilise others' tactics or training programs. In the end, coming up with your own tactic and training is part of the realism of the game. I've been playing CM/FM for over 10 years now and I've always created my own tactics back when it was dragging arrows forwards and backwards. That's the part of the game that I enjoy the most besides buying and training up youngsters. I've never been a fan of buying expensive players and only do it when absolutely necessary.

My current tactic is a simple 4-4-2 which uses short passes, slow tempo and wingers. The only variations I have for this tactic is for my QPR team which I play a little more defensive. I'll share my tactic later together with some screenshots of my game. But what I'm most proud of is that this is my own tactic and training program that has brought my team success and not someone's tried and tested tactic.
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thats very harsh. Had I wanted to show off my tactics I would just post

The Ultimate Tiki-Taka Tactic by the Great Jeff Alexander FM expert

instead of writing such a long article and Tic-Tacs philosophies and guidance for those who want to write barcelona's total football revolution would I not?

My tactics uploaded were meant to only be a guide, I did say, do tweak it according to your team and play to player's strength

Dont like, Dont see. Dont bother. Dont even enter.
Its for fans who love to watch beautiful football and try to emulate them.
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Jan 6 2012, 05:03 PM)
thats very harsh. Had I wanted to show off my tactics I would just post

The Ultimate Tiki-Taka Tactic by the Great Jeff Alexander FM expert

instead of writing such a long article and Tic-Tacs philosophies and guidance for those who want to write barcelona's total football revolution would I not?

My tactics uploaded were meant to only be a guide, I did say, do tweak it according to your team and play to player's strength

Dont like, Dont see. Dont bother. Dont even enter.
Its for fans who love to watch beautiful football and try to emulate them.
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^ this.
ei, ur game sampai year 2019 edi. what's ur "project" after this? brows.gif brows.gif

initially i wanted to start wigan game, but then i thot again:
1)bolton bottom of the table IRL now.
2)not being taken over by tycoon. *have they?? i not sure. FM-ers care to confirm this one?*

how?? brows.gif brows.gif

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post Jan 6 2012, 05:46 PM

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well, i really want to have next project too, but my salary is abit too high, scare off all teams at 300k per week

I will think of resigning after I train my next rooney Uwe Baier to germany national team, he scores 32 goals for me that last season..played 60% of games, but still not called up yet sad.gif

maybe ill try out Osasuna(when they sack their manager, i resign n apply, Liga Adelante also nvm) , since I miss pamplona so much after been there last summer. or Athletic, bec my time at spain manager, iker muniain is godlike, Llorente is 101 better than heskey and scores till age 34, still 20+ goals per season.

AC Milan got Northern Irish tycoon, always 5 star reputation despite doing shit not winning anything, even Man Utd cannot beat them in reputation, they never sign big names like Man City, i wonder what is the tycoon for? tongue.gif



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