thanks for the advice, master jedi. I am thinking to start a game with West Ham, win promotion and go to Europe in 2nd season..hehe.

ps: btw, where's the article from?

Weird, my Tiki cant really control game possession but still manage to win so far. Played 15 games, only draw 3, loses 1 & balance win

I really love this method!

i've tried your tactics but not really smooth.my malaga really controlled the possession.passing completion was around 80-90%.but sadly the wins just 1-0 or 2-0.maybe i don't have any trequartista in my team.i used yaya sanogo in the middle.i think i'll stick with il devas atm until end of season and start with this tactic during preseason.

question:why does the tactic set as counter instead of control?most of the tiki takas i knew in fm-base all of them were set as control.

Well, winning is better than losing aite?? Im on the same boat. My tactic cant really hold much possession, average 60% total after 15 games. But still can win that the important.. Maintain the run.

My setup is like this:

DR - DCR - DCL - DL

----------DM

-------------MCL

-------AMCR

IF(A) - STC - W(S)

This post has been edited by gengstapo: Dec 5 2011, 10:08 AM

yes, winning 1-0 2-0


Thats my objective, thats Barcelona's objective, to play as a team. Its no longer 30 sec clip for youtube upload of a goal , but a 2 minute long build-up , its really beautiful if you watch Champions League Final of your team, full match like that actually (though I dont anyway lol unless u got the time)
Guardiola signed David Villa not to get the best out of him or to fit tactics into him so he can still be a target man, but to get him to fit into an already complete system, to get him to work as a team, to supply and to score goals. He was more often being used as inside forward supporting Messi

2nd priority: score 4-0, 5-0 and have risky possession with opponents making me heart attack. (as i said previously scoring is too easy, i want to play beautifully ) the youtube video of tiki-taka on first page said it all, FM is just merely our tool to replicate what they do in real life, to as realistic as possible

@gengstapo, u need to individual focus train your players to pass the ball well, limit creativity if they have not, enhance when they have flair and creativeness

+ i recommend acceleration and pace 15 for your wing-backs(full backs - eg Rafael Fabio D Alves style) , striker like J Hernandez

- U dont need long shooting players
- U dont need Gareth Bale style of players (crossing, strength)

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Added on December 5, 2011, 7:17 pm@sickx, try the latest tactic (JeffAngel) I hope u have better scores now

More than just a player role

Update from first post:
How many of you select a player’s role to suit his attributes? -
Picking one role to get the best out of a single star will not have the same effect as picking 11 roles to form a team unit.
Forget about getting your Niang to score 40 goals a season, or your usual 'Xavi' to assist 40 goals per season to your Target Man.
For instance, I’m sure Pedro and Villa of Barcelona would prefer to be played as the lone striker, but Guardiola sees them as instrumental to a bigger picture. They both tend to start out wide in order to offer their threat from the wings cutting inside and causing havoc. Add to this the fact that Barcelona’s formation can transform into a three man attack and you’ll see Pep’s thought process.

The same can be said for a central midfield three; the roles you hand out in midfield can transform a good tactic into an incredible one. And the beauty is all these roles should vary depending on your style of play. For instance, if you like to play a more direct style within a 4-5-1 formation, you’d be best organising your players into three categories, defensive, attacking and supporting. A poacher works well upfront so he can chase long looping passes and also wingers as opposed to wide midfielders to dart down the flanks. Your midfield three should be assigned three different roles, all to cover the previously mentioned categories and therefore each phase of play.

Now what happens if we switch this more defensive and direct 4-5-1 into a more fluid and attacking tactic with short possession play? Well I wouldn’t recommend keeping the same player roles; in fact I’d change almost all of them. Remember with a direct and more defensive tactic you have little creativity to force an opening so instead find the team making long searching passes and therefore stretching the game. When you switch to a possession orientated tactic these roles should be adjusted to bring players closer together and therefore offer passing options within every phase of play. There’s no point in playing a short passing style if your players are separated like in the direct style mentioned above because part of keeping possession is having options to pass the ball.

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Added on December 5, 2011, 7:38 pmbleachreport.com

I love to read the articles there, they provide good info on real-life tactics and players activities

This post has been edited by Jedi: Dec 5 2011, 07:41 PM

Yaww master Jedi, "Slow Tempo, Short Passing, Zonal Marking, Tight Marking, Roam from Position are key of Tiki-Taka"

The bold one, is it mean roaming enable for each player or just the team instruction or both player & team instruction??

yes except for left back, your sweeper, others are encouraged to roam.

So, thats mean the "More Roaming" at Team Instruction set to enable plus each player instruction correct?

put it at default, since personal instructions for players override team, so it does not matter

U dont want ur keeper to roam around do u? and have goal of the century beckham style against u...

i tried your tactic and its working on formation 4-3-3 , 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 but it seem not working on formation 4-4-2...everytime i use 4-4-2 my team although can control possesion more than 55% but it will end up lose, draw or win 1-0/slight margin.....maybe need more tweaking on tactic..

it was NEVER meant to be a 4-4-2, did u read the first post? Please read the first post before getting excited about trying tiki-taka guys!



NO wingers, thats so english , with the run run dribble to side and cross and head
NO Citeh style, David Silva dribble dribble feed ball in blitzkrieg tap up or volley by dzeko (so risky for tiki-taka, easily intercepted esp if Man City will play Barca)

The key thing is to focus pass down the middle.

no wonder la...

Wow. I've tried building this tactic up myself based on what I've read here. It really works man. I'm averaging 60 - 70% possession and 20+ shots on goal. Now if only I could get the shot accuracies up (less than half on target). I'm making do with my original wingers on the left and right of the false 9 and I guess their lack of finishing is affecting me.

One question though. My assistant manager keeps telling me the gap between my midfield and defence is too big and can be exploited. Any ideas how to solve this? Or is it irrelevant?

finally got successfully implement tiki-taka tactic...but my player easily got injured when using this tactic...injury list getting longer...it is just me to experience this issue??

normally its irrelevant, bec when u see the game in highlights ur players passes so well that the midfield presses up so far high up in the opponents defense area (which is what real life Barca is doing)

against Real Madrid and matches where u see strong teams using fast wingers to counter u *because tiki-taka focus pass on middle*, apply a 4-1-2-2-1 formation instead of 4-1-2-3 , 4-2-3-1 instead of 3-4-3 will distribute your players wider to solve those problems

i dont think it has anything to do with tactics, rather the problem of physio, your players natural fitness and injury prone *hidden attribute* or simply tired not enough rest and playing non-stop. Try to reduce burden on training, and physio increase in no

Hmm I think I found the "not accuracy" problem. Try decrease your attacker "Creative", sure can score a lot

I see. I'll ignore those instructions, then.

I suppose the 4-1-2-2-1 is something like this?
http://www.fmformation.net/fm09-tactics-tr...-1-2-2-1-a.html
By pinning their fullbacks back with the wingers right? My formation is similar to your Jeff's Angel Tic Tac Aug 2014. So I have STL and STR pressing there.

Currently my midfield is 3 flat MCs, unlike yours which is more of a DMC + 2 MCs. I plan to push the middle MC back to a DMC like yours, as well as make both CBs stay back and push both fullbacks up more, like Barcelona, since I have reasonably good fullbacks.

Am I making any sense? Lol.

I'll try that. Thanks!!

Not sure what the reasoning is though. Less creativity means shoot more, pass less?

Yes, they wont pass the ball around too much

if you have a classic box-to-box midfielder like Patrick Vieira Edgar Davids o Roy keane style to sweep the ball when drop back, I dont see a problem doing with 3 CM
These days football are very position-based, those players are of the past, no more ballacks, I.E Mascherano Busquets adopt a very defensive approach, so does Claude Makelele style modern manager prefers, so that attacking midfielders have all the time to flair their creativities without needing to help out in the defence.
The reason I have DMC Phil Jones, is because I dont trust fully Smalling and Evans, being their marking heading tackling at a medial 15 for centre-backs, so I have one to drop back - the same with barcelona, pique tends to play higher up the pitch as ball-playing defender, at times striker by free-rolling. Mascherano will cover for him should opposition intercept the ball to try a counter, and thus I concede record only 7 goals EPL season - 24 clean sheets before losing to everton yesterday on my game *picture on the other discussion thread*

pray that mourinho or Alan Shearer does not play your team, because I nearly lost to mourinho He likes to close down on all of my players with hard tackles, technical players very much needed to avoid possible losing possession. Shearer likes to play a quick tempo, passing game and the park the tank 5-3-2 after 1-0, i played him 3 times, nearly lost twice, 1-0 lost last game

uh...not quite so. Attacking players with creativity >18 should have full creativity freedom, or 1 to 2 clicks down. because creativity means, ability to see things on the pitch. <--refer attributes explained thread for better review

pass less means he would have PPM dwells on ball, or u ask him to hold up the ball more

creative players without flair would simply pass the ball to launch potential attacks, but if strikers have poor off the ball, u can expect a fruitless attack.
creative players with poor passing ability will launch a pass into defender or keepers rushing feet
creative players with good decisions will launch passes which cut through hot butter like fabregas
creative players, good decisions, good flair will launch a Scholsey type of pass , direct and beautiful

try to search for finishing strikers like Hernandez - finishing, agility(benzema), decisions, off the ball >17 , solve all problems of ur scoring

using it. only downside for me is that the full backs langsung dont cross the ball, and very often will loss possession when trying to work the ball into the box.