Hi guys, on the version FM 2011 thread : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1632620 I shared with u all about attributes of players(derived from SI forum for the pleasure of our lowyat FM fans). Now is the time to share about tactics.

I know everyone has their own flavour, just as in Star Wars you have Jedis who prefer defensive (soresu) aka Obi Wan, u have anakin who prefers Shiem/Djem So (attack and defense balance), u have Mace Windu who prefers vaapad (gung-ho).

In football The Force....exists.
Nothing is impossible. Adidas said so. I will implement what they say.
However it is called by different terms from star wars universe,
Soresu: park the tank (10 player behind the ball like wat F.Capello did to spain last week on friendly eng vs spa), park the bus (compact the box)
Shiem: Total Football Djem So: Tiki-Taka
Vaapad: Joga Bonito

TIKI-TAKA - renders Cantenaccio into subzero temperature.

so what is the difference between total football and tiki-taka? youtube and google will give the ans and videos solution.
mainly Total Football is introduced to world stage by dutch players (most prevalent: Johan Cruyff) during their prime, where players retain ball possession while defenders inter switch with strikers and midfielders' roles to attack and defence simultaneously in order to confuse opponents who man mark.

Renu Michels' Ajax destroyed Italian Inter Giant in the 70s 6-0 5-0 with the brand new at the time, total football. Inter responds with Double marking system, which failed until today. since 2006 Fifa World Cup over..

Have u watched Bourne Identity? Supremacy?

Tiki-Taka introduced by Guardiola is the Treadstone upgrade equivalent from Total Football. Because Total Football tires players easily to inter switch and roam the field. Barcelona plays a passing football never seen before, retaining possession while waiting for opposition to open up spaces , make mistakes or tire up.

Guardiola was a player under Cruyff, if u not yet know. Cruyff introduced the pioneer of the play to Barcelona, set up the La Masia academy (barcelonas youth academy that produces Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, G.Amor, Pique, Puyol, Reina lalala), and Guardiola was slow during his career, so he thought of this method, implemented it and made Barcelona a disciplined squad , already inherited from Riijkaards attacking flair squad. Party boopers like Etoo Ronaldinho left as a result.

Watch this:


I want to play beautiful football, I dont mind sitting there staring at my cheapsy turned Solomon P.Ferreira passing back and forth and frustrate opponents instead of the cross smash and slide to celebrate 2 minute Citeh-Mancini style, or to better say, soccer built for YouTube and Shebby Singh reports, Ten-second chunks of absolute brilliance but clumsy and unorganised throughout depending on only Y.Toure/D.Silva for playmaking, or the german blitzkrieg to get goals like i used to, without actually controlling the game, defenders clearing balls to safety and waiting for highlights of my counter attacks.

Question is: can it be done? yes, but with tactics creator I get nowhere near the real life (maybe u can!)

KEY THINGS
Possession

Barcelona have averaged 73.4% possession in their league matches this season, where the next highest by a side in La Liga is 57.0% at Valencia, and the next highest in Europe’s top five leagues is Bayern Munich with 61.5%. In the Champions League this average goes up to 74.3%, with Bayern once more in second place on 62.3%.'

Xavi , A Midfield Schemer in Tiki-Taka's passing statistics

March 31, 2010 Arsenal v Barcelona: 95 - successful passes
April 6, 2010 Barcelona v Arsenal: 105 - successful passes
April 20, 2010 Inter v Barcelona: 93 - successful passes
May 28 Barcelona v MAN UTD: 142 - successful passes
November 24 Panathinaikos Barcelona: 105 - successful passes
November 2 Copenhagen 1-1 Barcelona: 98 - successful passes

in FM, if settings are done correctly, While its impossible to achieve 142 passes, the nearest replication should allow u against a lower par opponent, with 60-80 against normal opponents


THINGS IN TIKI-TAKA A MUST HAVE (Can be done in FM)

Right Formation
Barcelona’s players if you notice, occupy spaces evenly across the field,providing Barca many more passing options whilst formulating an attack making it so effective. eg: Busquets sits just behind play-makers Andreas Iniesta and Xavi whilst guarding his side’s back 4 and wingers Pedro , Alexis Sanchez and David Villa (who obviously is unhappy now in Barca to play second fiddle) occupy either flank in an attacking midfield position leaving Lionel Messi to fight it out alone up top. 4-3-3, 3-4-3 should defenders got injured, doest matter, as long as u retain possesion heck i even played 4-1-5 with my team and won comfortably!





Press when you have possession
Most teams cautiously play by withdrawing when opposition midfielders/defenders win back and recycle possession, Barcelona tend to do the exact opposite and push deeper up the pitch exerting even more pressure in an attempt to win the ball straight back.

in FM, close down opponents at full bar for your strikers wingers midfielders, except defensive midfield, defenders and wing backs

Utilise ‘Fake Number 9′ role
‘withdrawn number 9′ is key to Barcelona’s attack. First employed in El Classico against R.Madrid, Barcelona won 6-2 to effectiviness of this by Lionel Messi. The term ‘fake number 9′ describes ghosting in and out of a fake number 9 strikers role to exploit Defenders Man-Marking and Closing Down, creating spaces behind while he carries the ball.

in FM, a team’s centre forward needs to be very technical in this area, meaning good off the ball, technique, balance to hold up the ball, while drifting markers away, creating spaces for others. The replay matches i uploaded had some goals done effectively through this replication.

TeamWork and Discipline
-from wiki,
When Guardiola (as Barcelona B manager while Riijkard in charge of first team) re-organised the reserve side, he set up a three-staged program to formalise the advancement from Juvenil to Barcelona B and finally to the first team. The first stage of a youth player's career involves a rotation scheme with Barcelona B. The second stage involves making the player aware of his importance to the team, and expects the player to improve cohesion and performance within the reserve side. In the last stage, he is designated a "key" player of the B team and might be called to the first team. One of the players in the third phase is made captain, regardless of the experience of older players.
An aspect of Barcelonas youth academy La Masia is its marked catalan national character—local talent in the service of a club with a strong, defining sense of the cultural make-up of Catalonia.[28] The supporters often prefer locally-developed players to foreign players if the players are equally talented. In this way, the emphasis on homegrown talent concurs with UEFA's attempts to curb the influx of foreign players in clubs.[28] The head of UEFA, Michel Platini said: "Barcelona represent my philosophy, not only for the game, but also for the training of athletes".

in FM, focus on team blend, WEED OUT any players who disrupt team harmony, be a ferguson. Its MY way, or the highway. Let go of even key players who has the wrong attitude, decreasing team morale, wanting to transfer clubs. Set priority of match prep to 'Very High' in pre-season especially.


Weaknesses:
Waterlogged pitch (poor pitch condition), opponents play Park the Tank like Capello

While Chelsea play Barcelona when Mourinho was in charge, they purposely do not cut the grass of StamFord Bridge, it disrupted Barcelonas passing play, while Chelsea play a direct passing game and won the game and progress through the champions league quater final/semi
Mourinho devised another plan while with Inter, won against Barcelona when they close down and tight mark on both wing backs (key to Barcelona retain possession and confuse markers as to allow spaces for messi), as long as they won the ball, fast moving wingers grab, cut in, supply striker and score on counter-attack.

Park the tank is quite obvious, Capello said before if they have the ball , its ok. As long as they cannot do anything with the ball. (limit spaces) rigid play


Feel free to share and upload your tactics here, any inspiration or stories behind on why u like it , will be welcome!

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My Tiki-Taka is taken to a new level after some minor tweaks to suit my own players, instead of following the real barcelona as my players as not as, technically as good.

Basically tiki-taka works in teams, when u have decent passers, creativity, decisions, positioning. It works on my cheap team .. still tweaking

I will share my tactics once u guys think it is very barcelona enough. Its only good to give the best to people aint it? Be patient!

to compare my match , pls watch the youtube video above if u have no idea how barcelona plays.

i will upload a video highlight, u all can watch and feel free to comment, criticise about it, to see if it really resembles barcelona. The objective is to make the tactic is Barcelona as possible. We are to replicate Barcelona.
BELOW is the download

Things to take note of:
What i have is a playmaker (Josue)
1) get the ball (you know already where your team-mates are and where they might run to; you know where your opponents are too)
2) control it instantly
3) shield the ball from your opponent (if you have to)
4) pass it to a team-mate, usually on the ground
5) find space, asking for the ball back if necessary
5) Repeat until AMC or ST (my team G.Pandev as Left Striker, Dan Cooper turned Rabello as injured by FCP as RAMC to replicate messis Withdrawn no 9 role) gets the ball

*Drawing man markers to the player while creating spaces for other people to run is very important. That is when opponents make mistakes, also comes this is free roaming of your own players to confuse markers

-Barcelona , when loose the ball, try to get it back as fast as possible. ...notice any barcelona play, on the opponents half, messi villa and iniesta, pedro, all closes down their opponent defenders, so that they only get 30m to run to goal when win back the ball, instead of waiting for defenders like the usual case to sweep, 70m and to restart another attack, which is my fav team Man Utd's demise, and SAF never learn from mistakes-
as a result, in my video , as close to barcelona as i can get,
Two goals from G. Pandev are by closing down and win the ball and score

The Porto team still has hulk with them, considering their key players are still intact, it is a success that i can pin down their attack and render them to just, long range predictable shots

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TACTICS TO DOWNLOAD LINK BELOW

I bet you will love it 100% like you are watching the champions league final 2011 MU vs Barca, if not, send me ur house address, i will buy you FM 2013 for free

-JeffDom is tiki-taka using Tactics Creator
-Jeff Angel is tiki-taka classic

-I recommend u try them both because I need feedbacks as FM use a new system to calculate projections and probablities with the Tactics creator, once u use it, i hope u will like it and stick to it, match preparation do set to highest for pre-season to get max effect



Slow Tempo, Short Passing, Zonal Marking, Tight Marking, Roam from Position are key of Tiki-Taka

feel free to tweak it to suit your own players feedback is much much appreciated
set pieces for barcelona are all short, easy to make
I would be happy if any one interested in experimenting to replicate Barceona's tactic, using tactics creator to better effect and share it here

Shouts during a play (optional)

Shorter Passing

Greater Creative Freedom

Zonal Marking

Heavier Pressing

Normal Tackling

More Roaming

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For those who are used to see Highlights of a game of a short 30 sec clips of You-Tube style Fast FAst Fast counter and cross or pass and shoot, the Blitzkreig, please remember, in tiki-taka
It is just......
More than just a player role

How many of you select a player’s role to suit his attributes?
Picking one role to get the best out of a single star will not have the same effect as picking 11 roles to form a team unit.
For instance, I’m sure Pedro and Villa of Barcelona would prefer to be played as the lone striker, but Guardiola sees them as instrumental to a bigger picture. They both tend to start out wide in order to offer their threat from the wings cutting inside and causing havoc. Add to this the fact that Barcelona’s formation can transform into a three man attack and you’ll see Pep’s thought process.

The same can be said for a central midfield three; the roles you hand out in midfield can transform a good tactic into an incredible one. And the beauty is all these roles should vary depending on your style of play. For instance, if you like to play a more direct style within a 4-5-1 formation, you’d be best organising your players into three categories, defensive, attacking and supporting. A poacher works well upfront so he can chase long looping passes and also wingers as opposed to wide midfielders to dart down the flanks. Your midfield three should be assigned three different roles, all to cover the previously mentioned categories and therefore each phase of play.

Now what happens if we switch this more defensive and direct 4-5-1 into a more fluid and attacking tactic with short possession play? Well I wouldn’t recommend keeping the same player roles; in fact I’d change almost all of them. Remember with a direct and more defensive tactic you have little creativity to force an opening so instead find the team making long searching passes and therefore stretching the game. When you switch to a possession orientated tactic these roles should be adjusted to bring players closer together and therefore offer passing options within every phase of play. There’s no point in playing a short passing style if your players are separated like in the direct style mentioned above because part of keeping possession is having options to pass the ball.

Players that you should not sign:
Egoistic Selfish Players with Low Work Rate : C Ronaldo, Adebayor
Problematic Players who disrupt team harmony : C Tevez
Players who curl and cross to bend it like Beckham : G Bale, A Young
Strikers who does not run, who has no knack for goals, knack for goals but lazy poachers : E Heskey, Ruud Van Nistelrooy, D Berbatov


Players stats to look for when buying for tiki-taka
+creativity
+flair
+Acceleration and Pace for strikers
+Acceleration for full backs
+Decisions
+First Touch
+Agility
++Anticipation
++Passing
++Technique
++First Touch
++Off The Ball
++Work Rate


--Crossing
--Long Shots
--Jumping

This post has been edited by Jedi: Dec 5 2011, 07:34 PM


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This is the latest match about the tactics' effect.
I will check back this thread tomorrow and update it from time to time.

I can still lose... despite playing good football, so...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/46/pf...tatsmatchs.png/

This post has been edited by Jedi: Nov 22 2011, 11:46 PM


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good info man.. i like what Guardiola said.. when you win the ball in oppossition half, only 30m away from goal instead of 90m..

Nice one Jedi. This tactic can only be implement with 'right' player is it? Its really hard to find a group of players that have decent passing, creativity, decision, and positioning but still cheap. No?

Did you tweak your player instructions individualy?

Any player, as long as they have passing, decision, positioning in general. U dont need to be barcelona to play liike barcelona, i have shown the clips above that a bottom club can made it to the top by playing like barcelona. (of course taking into consideration u have read through the attributes explained for general tactics info, a proper training schedule to train ur players and good coaches to train them in preffered moves - play one twos, short simple pass)
Passing, Decisions, Off the ball for attackers
Passing, Decisions, finishing and acceleration+pace for the withdrawn no 9 role

as long as the whole team has good passing, it means u will be xavi of the game. U are holding the ball at your feet, anything can happen, to waste time, attack or defend.

yes, this is very much needed. I will write a full article and update the first page in the weekend its too tiring and busy on weekdays sorry guys

Highest Ball Possession recorded so far, with 5 attackers
of course, I dare , only against lower clubs with sure win, where their slow defenders chasing ghosts (joy to watch actually)

Tactics shared for download:refer first post




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the tactics still same like FM2011?

can replicate in FM 2011 too, no problem, or import vice versa

how about playing tempo? slow/fast?

super slow, two bars from the start (if by bar count)

ur job is to tire the defenders who run at u, closing down at u, while pass the ball around.

over 50 downloaders of the 3 tactics, but no reviews?? kamon gais.....

U d/l & give us comment like ur previous "devasto"..

How to view the file anyway. Pls advise?

D/load the file, open with FM la bro..

Edit: Damn man, after I read all these you are really patient playing this games. Not like us, tap tap tap all that & go.. Grats bro!

This post has been edited by gengstapo: Dec 3 2011, 06:29 PM

ok..aint sure dafuq is the .pkm file is all about....managed to DL the tactic in 1st post which is the one with "JeffDom" thingie. will try it out wif my Inter game and buzz u back.

*stupid stapo sendiri tak try suruh i try.*

Hi guys, i uploaded a new repolished tiki-taka (classic)
Sinnofire, use it too. we can prepare up to 3 tactics anyway

in tiki-taka there is no plan B, stick to it, and stick to it forever.

however change it acc to ur own plan, 3-4-3, 4-1-2-3, 4-1-2-2-1 , its up to u for the 3rd tactic. I bet u will like it! 100% guaranteed

how about players speed? need fast players?

well, better to have than not to have isnt it? if u have, then ur strikers have more chance of scoring, as i said, u need really technical players to play in this formation. Fast strikers are good especially on the counter (defending corners or free-kicks). I personally have Javier Hernandez, Benzema for that purpose and occasionally they do score on the break like that, *forward all the time in defending set-pieces*

tactics must be set to suit your own players, the ones i uploaded suit Man Utd of post-Fergie era *but with fergie players* - if u have a striker with good creativity, u should boost 2 bar up for example. we just want the barcelona style, but not to follow strictly eg: messi dribble cuts inside and score. U can have your own passing passing create space and score moments. As long as u feel like u are watching barcelona plays,

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Added on December 4, 2011, 11:25 pmIRL, the question could be posed to chelsea now. in the game, I trust u have better coaching skills than Andres Villas Boas (because i do, at least in FM)





This post has been edited by Jedi: Dec 4 2011, 11:25 PM

TBH, I really like this method. It really give a strong chances for smaller team to play against top one. I have build my own so called Tiki taka, & it in testin' lab currently
I will share mine after I finish 1 whole season with my new team

Grats bro!


This post has been edited by gengstapo: Dec 5 2011, 04:04 AM