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 Gold investment corner v4, Will gold price achieve USD2000 by 2012?

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ResQ
post Dec 20 2011, 10:58 PM

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i want to ask about opening gold acc at uob, to open then acc i need to initial buy 10gm right?
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post Dec 20 2011, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(ResQ @ Dec 20 2011, 11:58 PM)
i want to ask about opening gold acc at uob, to open then acc i need to initial buy 10gm right?
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If not mistaken initially shlould be min of 20g... When repurchase, need increment of 5g.

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post Dec 21 2011, 12:02 AM

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Please read 1st page.tq
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post Dec 21 2011, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 20 2011, 10:17 PM)
LOL, supporter?
Who need supporter?
This is not a war, more supporter win?
This is not win, lose or draw.
The is discussion all along, why need supporter when I am posting, is fact, and reality out there.  rclxub.gif

Need supporter to claim physical gold is better than paper gold?    blink.gif

Me already being convinced stored a kg of physical in shoe box...when I afford time.  rclxm9.gif


Added on December 20, 2011, 10:18 pm

2) please get your fact right, gold never earn you a single cent of interest.
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cherroy, could you not let the cat out of the bag? tongue.gif

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post Dec 21 2011, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(FrancescoTop8 @ Dec 20 2011, 04:28 PM)
"..In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value....."
http://www.constitution.org/mon/greenspan_gold.htm

America used to hail Alan Greesnspan as " WE DONT NEED GOLD STANDARD, WE HAVE ALAN GREENSPAN "
And now Greenspan himself proposed a gold standard. 
Wait, Ron Paul (the leading candidate for 2012 presidency) also insist in gold standard  brows.gif

So dont drop the gold standard subject because it did have a numbers of prominent supporters.  nod.gif
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i Thank Greenspook for my gold investments in 2002

THNAK YOU, ALAN.........
Sifha238
post Dec 21 2011, 12:29 PM

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Why gold keep declining sad.gif do you guys have any idea when it gonna rise high again ? I need to buy jewellery for engagement before it start to rise biggrin.gif
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post Dec 21 2011, 12:32 PM

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i dont know cherroy's brain is filled with grass or what. When i meant shoe box as an example, i mean store your valuable things in a place that never expected by a thief. That was just an example. If you have a brain you will know that when you place a safety box in your house, that will be the 1st place the thief is going to search for. I just ask people here to store their physical things at some place in their house that never expected by a thief. Do you get what i mean 'MR SMART CHERROY'?
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post Dec 21 2011, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Dec 21 2011, 12:29 PM)
Why gold keep declining  sad.gif  do you guys have any idea when it gonna rise high again ? I need to buy jewellery for engagement before it start to rise biggrin.gif
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Gold in rise again. 1632 now.
U are going engaged ? Congrats thumbup.gif
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post Dec 21 2011, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Dec 21 2011, 12:29 PM)
Why gold keep declining   sad.gif  do you guys have any idea when it gonna rise high again ? I need to buy jewellery for engagement before it start to rise biggrin.gif
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IMHO, it looks like it's rising again from a recent dip. I manage to top up during the dip. rclxms.gif

If I were you, I'll buy asap. Of course, take my advise at your own risk!

And yeah! Congratulations! biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by orangutan: Dec 21 2011, 07:00 PM
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post Dec 22 2011, 09:15 AM

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London Trader – We are Witnessing a Historic Bottom in Gold

(Courtesy of Eric King at www.KingWorldNews.com

With many investors worried the price of gold could head lower, today King World News interviewed the “London Trader” to get his take on the gold market. The source stated, “The Chinese have continued to take delivery of both physical gold and silver directly from the ETF’s GLD and SLV. They are also going directly to producers. Entities are bypassing the COMEX altogether and going straight to gold mining companies. Every single month producers have a certain amount of gold and silver they sell. Normally they sell it to the bullion banks and the bullion banks, of course, leverage this gold and sell up to 100 times that in paper markets to control prices.”

The London Trader continues:

“They (bullion banks) hold that little bit of physical gold and claim they are backed up on their position to the CFTC. I have all my large buyers now going to producers and saying to them, ‘Look, don’t sell it to the bullion banks, we’ll buy it from you.’ So we are buying directly from the producers and this includes some sovereign entities which are doing the same thing.

We’re struggling to get the physical out of these guys (producers) because they have so many people banging on their door, saying, ‘Sell it to us direct.’ What these buyers are doing is essentially taking gold out of the system, which means the bullion banks can’t leverage that gold anymore.

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post Dec 22 2011, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(orangutan @ Dec 21 2011, 06:59 PM)
IMHO, it looks like it's rising again from a recent dip. I manage to top up during the dip.  rclxms.gif

If I were you, I'll buy asap. Of course, take my advise at your own risk!

And yeah! Congratulations!  biggrin.gif
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Not so fast la... drop back
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post Dec 22 2011, 10:47 AM

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better drop under 15xx
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post Dec 22 2011, 05:15 PM

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Anybody knows is there a maintenance fee for having UOB gold account? What I want to know, do we need to pay some amount of fee yearly for this account?

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post Dec 22 2011, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 22 2011, 05:15 PM)
Anybody knows is there a maintenance fee for having UOB gold account? What I want to know, do we need to pay some amount of fee yearly for this account?
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stated clearly there, bro.just read thru.
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post Dec 23 2011, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Dec 20 2011, 07:51 PM)
cherroy., where is your padawan / supporter of paper gold? rclxm9.gif

thanks cruzzie for helping me to convince this otai cherroy. thumbup.gif
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GoldChan, honesty speaking, i'm not sure if i'm interested in convincing cherroy to convert his paper gold into physical gold. I get no benefit out of doing that, and it's kinda tiring. You and I are here to try to create awareness about the need for converting fiat (or any paper assets including paper gold) into physical gold/silver, but it is up to the readers to try to understand, digest, and make an informed decision on how they want to protect their future. If the reader is not willing to even TRY to understand the message, we cannot do anything. What we write in a forum is our opinion generated from our own knowledge, experience, logic, and hopefully unbiased and honest thought, which anyone else has all the right to agree, ignore, or counter our opinion. The thing is, if what you and I think is coming really comes one day, those readers who are well prepared will have much higher chance to survive, those who are not will find themselves in desperate situation. And if what we think about does not come true, then we end up being wrong, causing us holding a bunch of heavy physical gold, well hidden in shoe boxes (no offense intended kakiayam, i'm smart enough to understand the shoe box), and worth millions of Dollars.

Personally I do not care if someone can prove my point wrong about keeping physical gold. In fact, I hope I am wrong. And I hope you and I are wrong about the coming events. But looking at how things go, it looks like the economic and social calamity is inevitable. And it looks like we may not have to wait for 40 years for that to happen, it may come next decade, or even next year. And it looks like keeping physical gold/silver is the best protection.


Added on December 23, 2011, 12:23 am
QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 20 2011, 09:43 PM)
to all the gold gurus here,

1) you buy gold to keep for price appreciation or for trading aka speculation?

2) you buy gold to earn interest?
but why gold? why buy gold?  brows.gif
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1. I buy to keep the value of my asset. I also trade to make some quick money. About buying to invest/price appreciation, try to look at it from another angle. 30 years ago, 100oz of gold could buy a house. Today, that same 100oz of gold can also approximately buy a house. Although we see gold price appreciate, it actually just kept its value against other physical items. Price increase is just an idea, it is actually the decrease in the value of paper money, which is what the bankers called "inflation".

2. Gold does not earn you interest. If someone asks you to put money in a certain gold investment product and get paid with interest, think harder. Or come back to the forum to ask if anybody can help you explain how that gold investment product works, and whether it is better than your own gold plan.

This post has been edited by cruzzie73: Dec 23 2011, 11:06 AM
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post Dec 23 2011, 10:52 AM

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anyone planning to buy gold recently? smile.gif
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post Dec 23 2011, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(desmond_fantasy @ Dec 23 2011, 10:52 AM)
anyone planning to buy gold recently?  smile.gif
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just brought some last week... but plan changed to silver or physical rctly
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post Dec 23 2011, 04:03 PM

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Oh..this last 2 weeks the price is so tempting...shoot until u drop lah.laverage your cost.
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post Dec 23 2011, 04:19 PM

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i average the gold at RM164.90, bought from maybank.
Investment is -7.08% now (Calculated at selling cost)
I am OK if it drop or increase, i hope it drop even further so i can buy it.


Added on December 23, 2011, 4:20 pm
QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Dec 21 2011, 12:29 PM)
Why gold keep declining   sad.gif  do you guys have any idea when it gonna rise high again ? I need to buy jewellery for engagement before it start to rise biggrin.gif
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Gold price dropping because Europe there looks stable back.
But I doubt that.

"Once you owe someone money, no matter how you need to pay it back" cry.gif


Added on December 23, 2011, 4:22 pm
QUOTE(cruzzie73 @ Dec 23 2011, 12:02 AM)
2. Gold does not earn you interest. If someone asks you to put money in a certain gold investment product and get paid with interest, think harder. Or come back to the forum to ask if anybody can help you explain how that gold investment product works, and whether it is better than your own gold plan.
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Ya agreed, this is the draw back a little bit, but the increased value of the gold is the return to cover your loss in getting interests from that right? smile.gif


Added on December 23, 2011, 4:25 pm
QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 20 2011, 03:08 PM)
They have people convert all their money to gold?  whistling.gif
People say BRIC has big future, and their economy are doing good and has tremendous future. Russia is one of BRIC.
They have no deflation because economy is growing.
I can assure you if everyone convert all their money, deflation will occur.

Gold cannot work in current economy one.
Ancient people already realise, that's why they ditch gold long long time ago.

Gold standard only applied on USD, non of other currency is "gold backed" even before 1971.

Ya, inflation is at risk, that's why I like paper gold. I never say inflation is not at risk, I deeply worry about inflation.
While, I am not saying cash vs gold.
The issue is all about paper gold vs physical gold.
Why so many people quoted the inflation story to counter my point?

Bring in inflation story doesn't alter paper gold also gain/hedge the same with physical, except added in you need to trust the bank obligation to pay you.
While paper gold eliminate ordinary theft, disaster (Tsunami, flooding), etc risk.

It is all about paper gold vs physical advantage and disadvantage.

I just view, paper gold has its advantage, and my personal view, its advantage is enough to counter its disadvantage of potential of bank default.
I am ok other disagree on it, I don't force my view, just totally discredit paper gold is totally useless and risky somehow, I feel not right, both have their advantage and disadvantage.

Yes, many buy gold for inflation hedge, but they do not fully hedge you inflation even until now, history does not lie.

While. central banks buy gold is not about inflation, central banks buy gold because they have too much USD, and hedge against USD downside risk.
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True,
Best is to divide the investment, put all eggs in diff basket.

This post has been edited by sovietmah: Dec 23 2011, 04:25 PM
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post Dec 23 2011, 06:01 PM

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gold price drop drop up up..
hope it rise on next year

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