I just helped my friend to send his BWU to warranty after 1 week of usage due to one of the key's LED decided to give up, what say you?

Surprisingly Razer (or should i say Ban Leong) decided to change a new one straight away for him, less than a day or 2, i will let you think whatever you want, but if for me, i have something in my mind already. Not so good to say it out tho.

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Nov 7 2011, 02:35 AM

Thanks for the headsup. And yeah it's Zarmor.


I guess some of the BWU are not QC properly
Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll just have to look for alternative. Will stick with my G110 atm.

ducky shine or noppoo choc pro LED backlit version will do

Try different switches and see which one fits you.

You can check with Cyclonechuah for Topre switches.

Ducky shine or filco?

The main difference that "I" (based on personal experience) between those two is that Ducky has "higher" keys compared to Filco and Filco is heavier than Ducky lol

can we check for this imperfection when we buy?

It's not an imperfection, it's just the way it's manufactured o.O

There's always Leopold besides Ducky and Filco.

If you're buying from a local shop, it is possible that you could open the box infront of them, and press all the keys and check keyboard layout and line-out. (Press one per one key to make sure it it doesn't comflict with other key)

Better safe than sorry.

i always check each key before i send out, so basically, i violated every keyboard's virginity before sending out. i apologize to every Leopold keyboard owner

i don't agree with this.

If Imperfection is covered by "This is the way it's manufactured"

Then the product that has better overall than the imperfection means? Imperfection is still a flaw which can not be fix by saying "This is the way it's manufactured"

As Customers, what if you receive a badly built product, it has flaws, but manufacturer replies you with "Can't do anything, It's just the way it's manufactured"
will you be mad if you compare to other customer product which does not has the same flaws as you have?

Customer that purchase the product has the right to make a complaint so we could improve based on complaint details.

Saying "This is the way it's manufactured" is irresponsible, as it sounded like "you just have to face it, this flaw is suppose to happen in manufacturing process, and you couldn't do anything about it"

I'm just saying my point, no offense. Customer should know it's rights, If Flaws has been noticed, improvement should made to fix that matter.

This post has been edited by Cyclonechuah: Nov 7 2011, 02:12 PM

Well said well said, actually i was refering to kanabalize's assumption that the difference in key height between Ducky and Filco being an imperfection. I was just merely stating that the difference in height between the two brands is not a manufacturing flaw lol

That's not imperfection, it's just different keycap family or different design.

Keycap Family : http://keycapsdirect.com/key-caps.php

Yeah that was what i was trying to point out >.< that the height difference is not an imperfection.

Which is the best backlit model? Leopold has no backlit if im not mistaken? Looking at mx brown switches.

Yup, Leopold no backlit model. Though, it is among the best choice if you are not despo for BL.

Can't tell which is best/worst as there isn't a guideline to rank/folo.

Though, for quality wise, we suggest you go for those well-known brand/OEM(manufacturers).
Mionix seems appealing as it's OEM is Costar(same as Filco)
Xarmor is iOne which having some bad records but some of their keyboards also quite well-made, thus cant comment much.
Razer BWU, rumor to be manufactured by iOne too(though Squarebox disagree and suggest may be Costar instead) and it is having serious QC problems. An imperfect BWU will be an eyesore to you if you are the picky type.
Deck, more to the premium/vintage brand which you pay premium price for premium quality but normal specs.
Ducky and Noppoo, China/Taiwan brand, quite experienced brands in manufacture Mech KB, but some say they also having some QC problems. Though, they offering more features such as NKRO most others above.

This post has been edited by Human10: Nov 7 2011, 03:59 PM

since you including Filco into your list of options. i figure out you might consider non-backlit keyboard. since from what i do know, Filco does not have backlit keyboard as well. So i decided to mention Leopold.

If Backlit is important to you, there's Ducky SHINE, or Mionix Zibal 60, but i can't confirm when will Mionix be coming to Malaysia, Rumour say it's coming.

This post has been edited by Cyclonechuah: Nov 7 2011, 09:14 PM

Personally, I find the height of Ducky is a major design flaw. It make reduces the overall typing experience.
Generally, the lower it is the more comfortable it will be from a ergonomic stand-point.
The lowest mechanical keyboard that I have came across are from Cherry but due to the Plate-Mounted(rage-proof) hype, Cherry keyboards didn't stand a chance but end-users are not their target from the very beginning.

This post has been edited by Squarebox: Nov 7 2011, 11:49 PM

According to speculations, the price of Cherry boards in the next 2-3 years would be around Rm150+ or so....
the sauce is from a Chinese vendor from China....

You mean the new Cherry Keyboard that is exclusive in China one? The one with ultra low profile that is almost flat out like scissor switch? The one that having Logitech G series keyboard looks?

It will be good for those that used to low profile keyboard but I afraid that pressing one key will also dragged the other keys below it. It will be hard to press them down deep enough.

P/S: Cant seems to dig out the picture of the keyboard. Most probably posted by Storm88/Cyclone, i forgot.

This post has been edited by Human10: Nov 8 2011, 12:50 AM

well, have to agree with this, i think the new Cherry keyboard G80-3800 has some serious flaw in it, 4mm switch deep and flat profile.

Btw, i gonna start my wood casing project soon. Wood that i will be going to use a "Kayu Batu" which is a heavy hardwood. some of my house wood furniture are made by my dad using "Kayu batu" which surprisingly remains in superb condition after 10+ years, and the wood color has darken over time.

This will gonna take some times. =D

Haha, thx for the model name.
Here is the picture I googled, may be too small...


I believe color isn't the main concern as long as it is uniform.
I sure the hardest part will be drilling and shaping the keycaps. HELL jobs indeed.

This post has been edited by Human10: Nov 8 2011, 01:05 AM