No. It means you didn't do enough. You should do more until it doesn't hurt at all.

Lol. Looks like a fun thing to have around, honestly..

And i like how they categorize it by colours lol

Woah lol is this guy for real? Way too many openings to flame at but yet i'm reluctant to do it =/

Lol, you should organize a gathering and tell everyone there what you told me today, seriously good info. Learnt a lot today

ugh. i'll try to make it. what time?

Moar pics for the progress pic thread is always good. no objections here..

Not flaming or anything, exactly what information is being presented badly here? Lets keep this on the same page shall we?

Oh and gtoforce has a point, lol.

This is it right?
I'll give it a shot.
Point 1
Regardless of protein causes spikes or not, we still need protein, for obvious reasons

Point 2
From the article you linked, oral fat load does not spike insulin levels, which conforms to what dl said.
Insulin spikes either increases fat storage or muscle mass synthesis, which also conforms to what dl said.

Point 3
Correct me if im wrong, but if a trainess eats six meals a day, that means six spikes within a 24 hour period, how does that not matter? A t nation link below, which is really the extent of my understanding in the matter

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl..._new_way_to_eat

Now, im trying to be neutral here okay. Im not on dl's side here, just posting a response according to MY understanding from the info both of you provided.

Proceed.

Is this the only thread youre reading? Theres a supplementation thread in this section. Do your own research.


Celltech and nitrotech.

Hmm, i WAS bulking, but im planning something right now. Am somewhere in between. Ive recently been adviced on how i should progress from here on and im still grasping on the idea.

Plus im joining a 15 km run. No way in hell im gonna bulk atm lol.

You bulked too aggresively imo. Cutting shouldnt be all that hard.

I gotta check in more often, lol.

@seifer
For our convinience, can you summarise what exactly are you disagreeing with dl's statement?
From my understanding of your posts, you're kinda saying insulin spikes are insignificant in the larger view of things that the timing and amount of meals you have within a 24 hour period shouldn't really matter. Is this right?

Simply put, a trainee should just focus more on getting the macros and caloric intake right, doesn't matter how or when a trainee does it.

You said you practise IF. Doesn't IF limit your amount of all your meals in a short duration of the day? Isn't that contradictory to what you said?

Please do correct me here. I'm sure I have not gotten all of your points right.

Also, am I the only one who thinks superimposing your nick on the pic does not prove that the person in the pic is you? Not that I'm doubting, don't get me wrong lol. imo a better way to prove the authenticity of the pic is that you hold a sign with your nick in it in the picture itself.

lol chill. im 20 mins in and still not raging. kinda imagining myself in there joining the discussion. its a lot like us VS public aint it lol.

edit: ROFL at the guys who are already on roids trying to defend steroids without admitting they take it themselves.

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Feb 29 2012, 06:50 PM

Well, I guess technically with less you still get gains..

But look at it this way, the amount of protein intake determines how much muscle you gonna build. Taking lesser than maintenance however will cause muscle loss?

Would rather have a protein surplus than lack of it.

Who u calling nitwit!

U got wrinkles in your butt cos u ain't doing them free weight squats amirite

But seriously, all of us make mistakes, some more than others, but its from these mistakes that we learn.

But imo all of us could use a little bit of open mindedness. Too many of us are set into their respective views on bb'ing that they refuse to acknowledge new research and methods. Come to my gym, its literally a kampung that time forgot, lol.

I also absolutely hate the newbis who come in and expect results within months. When I tell them I've been working out for two years already they get shocked. These are the same guys who keeps using the same weights day in and day out and complain they don't get results and then resort to the goddamned pills.

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Mar 9 2012, 12:24 PM

Bring it, biatch

Hope I feel better tomorrow though zz..

hows progress? pics pics pics!

dont overthink. bodybuilding is still a pretty subjective thing. if you think you're too fat, cut until satisfied and repeat. although for me staying around 15% (abs barely there) gives me the best growth rate. going to 8-10% your body is actually fighting you, because it doesnt like to stay at that %.

i also think a bulk gone overboard is not a good thing. ultimately you lift weights to look good. whats the point if 90% of the time you look fat? you're not a competitor, so dont follow their schedule. their purpose is different from ours.

+1. size does not necessarily mean strength, though its usually the case. how you apply the strength matters. you might be stronger than a martial artist but he can still punch or kick harder than you can, for example.

Lol can go the other way as well. I'm now on par or have won several friends hat previously smoked me in arm wrestling. Best thing about weightlifting is both your arms have the same strength ngeks.