No, you're giving suggestion based on your experience and what you have. When giving suggestions, it's "usually" better to give something that will is less risk and less problem.

1. Because you have other alternatives (e.g. 2 phone line), it doesn't mean others will have.
2. When recommending, if you ask people to cut, if the SIM card decided to fail on the person one day when he/she needed to use the phone... who should he/she blame? The card? You? Or himself/herself?

If Mr. A doesn't face any problem with all his/her sim card which goes through cutting, it doesn't mean it won't happen to others. So, when recommending to others, one should be aware of what are the consequences and risk.

Of course, it's not wrong to suggest cutting, but these whole thing started because I suggested replacing, then seems like people started to disagree and suggest cutting instead as if cutting is a better recommendation. Now, that in my opinion, is not good.
I have explain why I said replace is better and the risks involved for cutting. Replacing is only a small fee which last you a long long time...
If anyone still disagree with me and thinks cutting is better, then there's no point to continue the "discussion" because clearly the point of view and understanding is very different.


No need to find adapter, the micro-SIM by default comes with the original SIM size, you can stick it back and hold it with tape just like what you show me before... if the person is not willing to pay extra RM10 just for the adapter "lah".

Anyway, it's no big deal, try to think far, the SIM is use for long-term, years? RM10 is what?
How much is one paying for the calls, data plan, which is MONTHLY? And how much is the phone?

Sometimes, it's really wonder how some people values something. Just like my friend, e.g. Camera Bags, a very well built and good quality camera bag, with protection, paddings, tough, raincover, can last years and years, cost less than RM500, he claim it's expensive, but he willing to pay for some branded bags which at least 95% of the cost is for the "brand" itself and he calls it "value for money".
The same applies for many other things, above just one simple example.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jan 4 2012, 09:27 AM

I can't believe you guys are still having this discussion.
Rationale sense would (usually) lead most people to get a micro-sim from their telco, I would have assumed. It's not exactly exorbitant.

Would you buy a GT-R and then fill up the tank with your granduncle's homebrewed "high octane" rice wine?

Guys,
how to check the speed of my network connection (N9) while downloading or browsing the net.
Is there any apps for this?

the icon next to your network will change - from 2g/ 2.5g/ 3g / 3.5g

3.5g is the fastest - HSPDA

I think he want to do something like speedtest.

I suppose one way is to tether the connection to your PC or other device which have the speedtest app or browser which support flash? But not sure if the speed will be affected.
Or maybe can check with aspire sifu since he did a lot of extensive test before.

I would subscribe to aspire's reason as addition to the reasons I stated. I have found using 'ori' micro sim more problematic than cut one. Just taping to sim tray would not work. Micro sim can also fail and have failed before, not just cut one, whether use in regular size tray or micro.

As for using 2 phones, people who work outside the office usually will have this as long term contingency. Prepaid starter is cheap, 8.80 only, old dumbphone cannot sell anyway, so,use lor. It's just a suggestion, for battery suddenly go dead in the middle of nowhere situation.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Jan 4 2012, 02:34 PM

taping is aspire's idea, not mine So your subscription is not valid.
And it's NOT taping to the SIM tray, maybe you have no replace Micro-SIM before? It comes with the size of the FULL SIM, where you can detach as a micro-SIM........ just like you CUT the normal SIM card..... but this is MUCH MORE CLEAN AND PROPER.

I really don't know what to say; Go and cut "lor"...

P/S: Like I said, some people need to experience only can understand, maybe when they suggest to someone they know, and the person face problem, later found out replace is so easy and cheap; come back and scold them 'kaw kaw' why you ask me cut! Give me all the problem.
But then, some people never need to face these issues in life, so it's hard to comprehend/understand.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jan 4 2012, 02:56 PM

thanks for replying,
but what I mean is something like connection manager
where you can see data transfer for every second or the rate of transfer.

Oh... sorry, not sure got such app available for MeeGo or not...

Submitted...hopefully they can understand my "English".

ok...thanks anyway for replying...
about the sim...
I cut my old sim and it works fine on my n9 until i used the sim
in my old phone and when i used it again on n9...no network available
..dem
then i bought a micro sim...works fine until i used the micro sim again on my old phone...dem again...no network connection
bought another micro sim and this time not going to use it on my old phone...

Another guy here face problem with the micro SIM, go back to DiGi, DiGi claim something about the micro SIM 'bent'. Anyway, if it's micro-SIM, the problem that occurs, is the telco/provider's fault and you can claim new SIM and complain.
But if cut, that's different story. Plus, cut sim, the edges maybe uneven or have sharp area, if unclucky, it can damage certain phone SIM slot; If that happen to someone, who to take the blame? The person blames the person who recommend? Then the person who recommend blame the person why put in other phone?
It don't happen to everyone, in fact, it's rare, so it's hard for people to understand or even simulate/think so far, and most of the time, people don't take responsibility.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jan 4 2012, 03:30 PM

something like this?
http://store.ovi.com/content/136852?lang=en

The maxis ipad plan came with the full size sim detachable and exactly the one that gave me problem. If want to change, need to travel 1 hour to maxis centre, during office hours. No easy thing like big cities. People in big cities usually say " easy only what, here got, there got" like it's coffee shop.

I can also say, if people never experience the problem, hard to understand. And if the method dont work to whoever I recommend, they will scold me more 'kaw' than cutting sim card. They can complain yes, but who got time to handle the hassle, keep going & complain, need to work also.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Jan 4 2012, 05:22 PM

Brother,

As I said, it's NOT about you. If you prefer CUT, by all means, go and CUT; When giving recommendations, we should look OVERALL and RISK involved, which is better. Besides, I've mention it BEFORE, if really inconvenient, can CUT first and replace later when convenient.... Why die die must CUT ONLY? And cannot replace?

Funny the scenario and story you give:
1. If micro-SIM don't work, why they need to blame you (even Nokia themselve recommend replace instead of cutting, that's the PROPER WAY)? It's obviously the micro-SIM problem, this is to blame the person who provide the micro-SIM.
Example: If you change new Brake Disc, got problem, you can Complain and CLAIM NEW with the manufacturer/workshop
2. CUTTING --> NOT PROPER WAY (Read: NOT PROPER --> Isn't this clear enough?)
So, any problem, can you complain to the telco or Nokia? First thing they see, WHY YOU CUT.
Example: If you SKIM the brake disc, got problem, CAN YOU COMPLAIN AND CLAIM?

Please be rational...

If the phone sim slot damage by:
1. replace micro-SIM = whose fault? Can complain/claim/report?
2. CUT SIM = whose fault? Can complain/claim/report? That time, the person who recommend will probably be MIA.

OMGosh....

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Added on January 4, 2012, 6:06 pmIn short:
1. Is it better to recommend PROPER WAY or NON-PROPER method?
2. When suggesting/recommending, it's important to state the risk and possible problem that may occur, but I don't really see people telling the risk AND also the alternative like they can actually replace the micro-SIM for a small fee. Instead, it's more like 100% on cutting.
AND the small fee, RM20, is ONLY once, you can use the SIM for years and years, calculate per day is what...
NOTE: This is like recommending people to SKIM the brake disc instead of replacing brake disc and never tell them any risk involved.

It's really amazing and funny after all the discussion, examples and points provided, still got hardcore supporting cutting and seems against replacement as if replacement is a crime or bad. Gosh...



This post has been edited by Andy214: Jan 4 2012, 06:06 PM

Chill chill relax relax I get what sifu is saying

The recommended procedure is to get a brand new micro sim so if you ever faced any issue they cant use the micro sim as the excuse.


Like the terms always used *use at your own risk*
cutting the micro sim is do it at your own risk but dont complaint if u faced any issue or blame the phone.

Similar to flashing if you brick your phone nokia can choose not to warranty for you because its not the proper procedure.

Mine i cut the sim at my own risk and so i bare responsible if i ever face any issue with my micro sim on my devices. Why i choose to cut the micro sim because at the maxis centre they said no adapter only micro sim.

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Jan 4 2012, 06:41 PM

Cut or no cut topic also can last for 10 pages...

Like I said, it's the micro sim that gave me problems, the so called proper way. Of course I would not go thru a method(again) that gave me problems & hassle, even if it's the 'proper way'.

Of course the person will scold, they have to go thru the hassle of changing the thing, which is much more of a hassle than cutting. More so since they know the 'proper way' did not work for me, I go recommend some more, look more funny.

If I had problems the brake disc from ABC manufacturer, I would not recommend ABC manufacturer/authorised seller to people. I recommend Ah Kau workshop cos his service excellent all this many years,although not within warranty.

No need to say like saving the world green forest issue. Using micro sim from telco gave me problems( I am not the only one), so naturally I hesitate to recommend.
Your tone is like cutting is a big crime although you keep stressing ' by all means go & cut'. 'People never experience before, find hard to comprehend' kan? This is the other end of experiencing, I'm one of the unlucky types with the proper way.
Cut at own risk. Proper way is to change to micro sim, done.

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Ok, back to our beloved N9 Someone mentioned something about speedtest ? Celcom fast kah nowadays?

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Jan 4 2012, 07:16 PM

To summarize in brief:

1) Cut doesn't mean you will get network problem.

2) Buy micro-SIM doesn't mean no network problem.

So what is the proper way? There is no proper way, so just do what you feel comfortable with.

thanks sifu...