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 Private Retirement Fund, What the hell is that??

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Ramjade
post Jan 24 2024, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Jan 24 2024, 01:40 PM)
may I know which PRS fund is good? which is the best for my RM3k for claiming income tax returns?

I actually got to know it from Versa ads (as I am using Versa save), but I don't have confidence much in the things they invest in after reading their breakdown of the low, medium, and high risk PRS funds.
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The only good prs fund that have as little possible exposure to Malaysia and China.

The only 2 exist which you can get from FSM for free
AIA Pam growth and principal retire easy 50 series. They stil leave exposure to china. But they are among the one with best returns.

Forget versa. Lousy prs from affin hwang.

Of course my returns and my risk level may not match yours. So what works for me may not work for you.

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post Jan 24 2024, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Jan 24 2024, 03:50 PM)
thanks.. ok will try FSM One as you mentioned. Thanks  thumbup.gif

i dont mind higher risk. 55 yrs only can withdraw so no issue. As long the PRS fund make good choices.

ya I keep read through Versa's offering but I'm not convinced, so much exposure to the wrong things.

hopefully can keep claim via efilling 3k every year.. else really no point to open one.
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I didn't compare islamic fund though. I just compare conventional funds. But to be honest prs usually sucks.
Ramjade
post Jan 24 2024, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(kunimi @ Jan 24 2024, 05:39 PM)
Btw i just realize everytime i contributed PRS via FSM one RM3000, the actual value is only RM2992, a deduction of RM8.

I remember it was only RM1 or Rm2 correct me if i am wrong.
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As long as you contribute into a previous fund, you will be charged annual3fee if RM8.00. I think it is by PPA?
Ramjade
post Jan 24 2024, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jan 24 2024, 10:19 PM)
So i should invest a new fund house each year to save RM8 fee then.

is it per fund or per fund house ?
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Please no. Just pay the RM8.00 and buy a good fund and stick with it. Of course every now and then review it. Eg I was with principal Asia Pacific prs. While it was a good fund when I purchased it. Not so much in these few year thanks to emperor xi.
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post Feb 29 2024, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(leanman @ Feb 29 2024, 01:02 PM)
My current fund isn’t making good money lately. Any good other fund out there?
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I already shared what fund to pick. Keep in mind my risk level and your risk level is different. So what I want may not what you want.
Ramjade
post Mar 14 2024, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 14 2024, 12:57 PM)
any insurance linked investment wouldn't give good returns as compared to unit trusts, i believe
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ILP are unit trust. The reason ILP is not performing well is majority of ILP are invested in Malaysia market and china market. Both these market have been giving rubbish returns for years.

China because of emperor xi common prosperity and property issue.

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post Mar 14 2024, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 14 2024, 02:04 PM)
pure unit trust will be better than insurance + unit trust, i believe
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Same thing. Majority of unit trust in Malaysia sucks. Not sure is it mandate from BNM to invest locally sort of like support the Malaysian market.
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post Mar 14 2024, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 14 2024, 04:48 PM)
different. u can't choose ur insurance linked unit trust, or at least those i know.

prs at least still can choose.

unit trust then definitely can choose non china or malaysia centric ones.
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You can select which fund your ILP invest in. You can even switch. Normally it's the agent who choose. I have checked. Majority of the funds given like 99% all Malaysia focus only.
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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 14 2024, 04:59 PM)
not much choice there, is there? i prefer to choose myself whether prs or unit trust to whichever region i wanna focus on.
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Every ILP they give you I think around 15-20 funds for you to choose. I don't use ILP, nor do I want to get involved with ILP.
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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 14 2024, 05:30 PM)
mine only got 6 i think. choose 4.
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Go kacau your agent and see what fund are available.

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post Mar 15 2024, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(justanovice @ Mar 15 2024, 08:19 AM)
I have this for the past 3 years. Every year losing money but this year-to-date total value +7%. 😂

This year maybe buy something different.
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That's why I switch.

QUOTE(leanman @ Mar 15 2024, 10:34 AM)
Had been consistently contributing RM3k since 2013 except for 2 years where only contribute RM1k each. did a small sum withdrawal in 2020 during MCO just for the fund of it. Total invested to date RM27.5k in 3 different fund and NAV as of yesterday was about RM32.5k lol...sad! Mainly for the benefit of the tax deduction.
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Majority of people just want the tax relief. Me, I want returns and tax relief.

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post Mar 16 2024, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Mar 16 2024, 01:45 PM)
you are being tied down by the agent

we all do it ourself. we choose which one we want to buy.
this year buy Retireeasy50, next year if  outlook poor , we buy other PRS.
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If got pure US fund I will buy that vs whatever nonsense Malaysia/china focus fund. Too bad no fund house doesn't want to come out with good prs or prevented from doing so by BNM. My insurance agent said they are not making lots of money via PRS that's why PRS have lots of lousy funds.
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post Mar 16 2024, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 16 2024, 04:38 PM)
btw im surprised u r an insurance believer  biggrin.gif
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I am not. Some stuff I believe to be self insurance.
My prs is done by DIY via FSM. No agent involved.

Insurance if possible, I want to DIY and avoid agent. Sometimes the market and regulation makes it such that is impossible to buy without agent. Cause need take care their rice bowl.

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post Mar 19 2024, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(thkent91 @ Mar 19 2024, 11:10 AM)
Not really. Public Mutual PRS Islamic strategy fund have a good mix of US/China-ASIAN fund
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Public mutual is not available on FSM. I only considered fund on DAM as I am not going to pay anyone service charges.
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post Mar 19 2024, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Mar 19 2024, 04:31 PM)
Once no more tax relief, PRS can close shop. No reason for anyone to buy other than for the tax relief
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Yes. That's right.
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post Mar 19 2024, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 19 2024, 07:44 PM)
I have calculated, just by putting your money into FD with average 4% rate, your returns would hv surpassed PRS returns including the tax deduction. So dont waste time putting money into the PRS. How can you tell whether the asset management firm will still be there by the time you retired? Especially those asset management firm (Affinhwang, Kenanga) without banking assets as backing. Nobody ever thought about asset management firms collapsing once musical chair stop (fresh funds come in). Correct me if I am wrong but i think all PRS funds are not PIDM protected.
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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 19 2024, 10:34 PM)
Ramjade has monitored and switch funds frequently. Most of us do not have the time to do so.
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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 19 2024, 08:07 PM)
Ramjade
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I have cimb principal Asia Pacific too since days of najib with youth incentive of RM1k. I switched last year.

I dont really monitor. But seeing my cimb principal aisa Pacific get destroyed and emperor xi keep touting common prosperity, I switched my fund. Less than a year already back to 10%p.a returns.

I would have like pure US funds but can't do anything as no such prs exist.

Buy prs. Lower your income tax. Pay less tax regardless who is in charge of govt of the day. Don't just buy and forget. Money in prs is still your own money. That's why I do both.
1. Income tax relief
2. Maximise return where and when possible.

Most people just aim for 1.

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post Mar 20 2024, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Mar 20 2024, 12:00 AM)
Prs has no real benefit excpet tax rebate.
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Depends on how you look at it. You choose the right fund, you have something that can outperform EPF. It's not good but decent if can outperform EPF.

If choose lousy fund then yeah it sucks.

Come to think of it, all ILP fund also sucks and people still buy ILP. lol.

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 20 2024, 12:39 AM)
My portfolio barely recovered. I bought 2 PRS funds 8 years ago. I agree with Ramjade, most PRS funds sucks. For me the tax deduction isnt worth it at all given the opportunity costs I have lost and my portfolio cant even breakeven.

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For me it's worth it. My return have always exceed EPF except for past 1-2 years (CIMB principal Asia Pacific fault).

But since I switch to retireeasy 50, my prs returns have pickup again.

Like I said, pay less tax and prs money is still your money at the end of the day. It's not govt money.
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post Mar 20 2024, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Mar 20 2024, 07:57 AM)
With the fees and no performance commitment, dont think thry can out perform in long run.
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The fees are fixed at 1.5%p.a (management fees).

If you see the pros, all are feeder funds. So you need to see how the original fund is performing.

For me, once they remove income tax relief, I will stop buying prs and divert my money overseas (like what I am doing for my EPF portion)
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Mar 20 2024, 09:59 AM)
Earlier you mention that there are funds with service charge. The common term is Sales Charge or upfront fee, not all funds in the market charge that fee. Like AHAM, the sales charge is 0%.

For Principal fund, only Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity is a feeder fund. (non-core)
For Manulife, only Manulife PRS Asia-Pacific REIT Fund is a feeder fund. (non-core)

A feeder fund is a fund that feeds into a single fund, whereas a fund-of-fund feed into multiple funds (this is adopted by AHAM).
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I was refering if you buy funds form agents or banks, there is 3% service charge. This applies even for public mutual if you choose to DIY.

For those funds on FSM and Phillip, zero service charge. However public mutual will never be on FSM Or Phillip.

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