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Ramjade
post Oct 6 2023, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Oct 6 2023, 04:19 PM)
after i switch my Principal PRS Asia Pac fund to Principal Retire easy also incurring losses…. really WTF la all these funds
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You have to understand that retire also have Asia Pacific dynamiv income and US market have been calling for past few days. If china and us market fall, your funds also will fall unless the hedge.
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post Oct 18 2023, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(virgoguy @ Oct 18 2023, 08:47 AM)
Already Q4 for the year. time to put PRS again. Principle PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan doesn't seem to perform well last couple of years. It is till good to continue? besides for the sack of tax relief
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If you believed in emperor xi, by all means continue buying Principle PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan.
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post Oct 18 2023, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Oct 18 2023, 11:12 AM)
second this, does Manulife reit good though?
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I used to be a REIT guy until I realised that a REIT paying out 90% and giving you 5%, and a company paying out say 50%, it's no brainer to go with company over reits. That is why I dont hold reits anymore.

Also if you believe we will go back to zero interest time, then can buy.

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Ramjade
post Oct 21 2023, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Oct 21 2023, 02:12 PM)
I am new and aim for tax relief. Just wonder if below 30, can I do enrolment at PPA official website? It’s look like 0% sales charges if below 30.

Well, others than 0% sales charges. Is there any others fees like management fee, annual fee occurring?
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Just buy from fsm Don't use PRS PPA. That way if you want to switch will be easier for you in the future. Fsm also zero fees and at the end of the year, they always offer promo.
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post Oct 21 2023, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Oct 21 2023, 02:31 PM)
If I already enrolled to PPA. Can still create account and buy from fsm kan?
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Can. Just message fsm customer service. Might need to do some paperwork.
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post Nov 9 2023, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(joice11 @ Nov 8 2023, 01:22 PM)
i compare invesrt PRS thought fsm one and versa, would like to ask some question

1) the RM40 credit to FSM account can be withdraw anytime right? have to pay for acc opening?
2) the cash reward from versa is more then FMS but only limited to Aham compare to FSM can have more choice right?
3) annual fee or other charges will be standard for all PRS fund like?

sorry for so many question as all the time i inverst in public mutual. Thinking of switch to other this year.
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1. Not sure. I don't top-up around this year. I usually do my top-up beginning of this year. No need to pay for account opening.
2. Of course cause versa only sell aham funds.
3. Yes.

Suggest you drop fsm ticket. Btw you cannot transfer public mutual funds into fsm or Versa as they don't sell public m mutual.
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post Nov 12 2023, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(cweng93 @ Nov 11 2023, 11:19 PM)
Is public mutual's PRS Islamic Growth Fund similar to FSM's PRS Principal Islamic Growth Fund ?
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Likely to be different. Only way to know is look at their fund factsheet.

QUOTE(onthefly @ Nov 11 2023, 11:49 PM)
do you mean public mutual PRS versus Versa PRS ?
Anyway check the factsheet to see if similiar or not
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Versa sell only aham funds. Of course will be different.

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post Nov 14 2023, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(joice11 @ Nov 14 2023, 09:04 PM)
thanks for the info, how do we check which fund with US exposure?

also i notice each fund and different sales charges some 0%, 1.5% and 3%. this charges should take in consideration when decided which fund to purchase?

sorry as i am still new in this PRS
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Go download each fund factsheet. Must PRS with overseas exposure is a fund of another fund. So you might need to download the original fund that the PRS invest into and see the fund factsheet.

Eg principal retire easy holds global titans funds. You need need to see how many % of global titans they hold. This will tell you that the retire easy series with the highest exposure to global titans have the highest overseas exposure (you don't want china or Malaysia exposure as much as possible or minimise that). Then download the global titans fund and see their % to US.

I already check AIA have the highest US exposure which explains the outperformance of AIA over retire easy series fund for past 1y.

Sales charges is only valid if you buy from
1. Banks
2. Insurance companies or unit trust companies (like public mutual)

Then yes you will be hit with 3% charges each time you buy PRS. If you buy via FSM, eUT, or PPA zero charges. Not sure about Versa. So up to you if you want to give free money to banks or insurance companies or unit trust. I don't.

If you pay sales charges you instantly lose money without even seeing how the fund performs.

Hope this help.

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post Nov 17 2023, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(prescott2006 @ Nov 17 2023, 11:45 AM)
Anyone know which PRS fund has the most exposure to US and performing well? Thinking to switch my "Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C"
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See my reply above.
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post Nov 17 2023, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(prescott2006 @ Nov 17 2023, 02:28 PM)
I can see "Principal Islamic RetireEasy 2050 - Class C" has the highest 1y performance. How about AIA?
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Don't do islamic. You can use FSM chart centre and see who have the best fund.
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/chart-centre

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post Nov 17 2023, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(prescott2006 @ Nov 17 2023, 11:45 AM)
Anyone know which PRS fund has the most exposure to US and performing well? Thinking to switch my "Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C"
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AIA have 14.8% in US
Principal RetireEasy 2050 - Class C (stuff which I have) is only 10.5% US

Thanks to your post, you make me calculate how many % of US I have in my PRS I will make the switch from Principal to AIA next year. thumbsup.gif
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post Nov 17 2023, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 17 2023, 09:34 PM)
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Any service charge for buying public mutual prs?
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post Nov 17 2023, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Nov 17 2023, 10:25 PM)
PUBLIC MUTUAL PRS ISLAMIC GROWTH FUND has 33.5% in US as of October 2023, enough to make you salivate  rclxm9.gif
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Now you are showing off tongue.gif
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post Nov 17 2023, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Nov 17 2023, 10:45 PM)
i dun any of those unfortunately  sweat.gif
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Do you know if Public mutual online charges service charge for their prs if bought via PMO?

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post Nov 17 2023, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Nov 17 2023, 10:56 PM)
asked before, but unanswered ... yet
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I know normal unit trust, they charge 5%. Not sure about prs. I dropped them an email. Wait for their reply next week and see. I specify PMO.
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post Nov 18 2023, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Nov 17 2023, 11:47 PM)
@Ramjade

worth the upfront 3% or not for longer term gains?
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I will say 50-50 as it's a one time charge.
A 10% return in US market will give you like 3% return. Minus the service charge you back to zero return and you are left with the rest of possible non performing fund. I am not sure how is their performance of the remainder like 70%.

Not every year you get 10%p.a return in the US.

Maybe it's just me who hate paying service charge. Hence not very enthusiastic as I have not pay for service charge for a long time.

QUOTE(joeblow @ Nov 17 2023, 11:52 PM)
You can try AIA one. The agent can waive the charges and sometimes they have promotion to give you bonus units. Or you can register in AIA (go to their office) and ask for non-sales charge PRS. Then next time you buy from PPA is free. Now if I buy from PPA website, I will be charged the sales charge and my agent will earn.
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Nah. I will use FSM if I want to go the AIA route.

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post Nov 18 2023, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(joeblow @ Nov 18 2023, 01:15 AM)
AIA PRS via FSM has no sales charge?
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Based off FSM website no charges.
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/facts...-fund?fund=AIAG

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post Nov 19 2023, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Nov 19 2023, 12:17 PM)
Hi, i've been buying AHAM growth fund yearly via FSM and it seems fine so far. Worth to look at other funds or just continue to get the same fund?
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Depends on your definition of fine. If you are just want tax relief and don't care about return, then no issue. If you want say 3% return p.a then that's fine also. Just continue buying the same fund.

For me, I want to have my cake and eat it. I want my fund to match min EPF return and get tax relief. So it's not fine for me if they are not matching EPF return. That's just me.

So you need to know what is your fine is. If it's fine, don't invent the wheel. In my car, my prs is not fine. That's why I am looking for alternatives.
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post Nov 19 2023, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Nov 19 2023, 03:44 PM)
To be honest, i've never compared it for the last few years. As long it was a gain, i left it because this was for tax deduction and i can't withdraw until 55 years old (unless i pay the penalty and remove it).
All the while it was for tax relief only and since i could not touch it till i'm 55 years, i did not bother much. Currently it's at 3.62% gain after a few years.

Can recommend some funds that are matching EPF returns? I can check it out.
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For now principal retire easy series and AIA Pam growth fund. As long as you have US exposure, you can match EPF returns. If your funds only focus on Malaysia or Asia Pacific (China) for past 3 years, you underperform EPF.

That's why I am looking for fund with high exposure to the US. From what is available on Fsm, only principal retire easy series and AIA Pam growth have that. If you are willing to pay service charge, public mutual have higher exposure to the US market.

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post Nov 20 2023, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 19 2023, 11:24 PM)
where to get this table ?
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Fsm.

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