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 Private Retirement Fund, What the hell is that??

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Ramjade
post Jul 12 2024, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(poooky @ Jul 12 2024, 04:13 PM)
Yes, maybe you're right. I'm just a little hesitant with how quickly the market has gone up since COVID. I feel that a major correct is coming. But since can't with until 55 I guess doesn't matter. Might as well just lump sump 3k into Easy50.
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Market down is good time to buy. All my wealth to this date is because of buying when it is red.
Ramjade
post Aug 8 2024, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Aug 8 2024, 02:05 PM)
maybe should topup 3k now, should be better returns than FSM's yearly prs rm40 promo. lol
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Of course. Sadly I already top-up early this year.
Ramjade
post Oct 24 2024, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(rankiba @ Oct 24 2024, 03:38 AM)
5 yr & 10 yr can't even beat EPF tho
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The reason is all the funds are concentrated in Malaysia. Even the fund which is not focus on Malaysia focus on china. With emperor xi having his own way with the companies in china hence the china focus funds are not doing well.

That's why i move my prs to one with more allocation to US.

Prs as long as can match EPF is ok. Some just simply buy regardless of performance for tax purposes.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 24 2024, 05:08 PM
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post Oct 24 2024, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 24 2024, 03:49 PM)
Ram which prs are you advocating I Invest for the first time? I don't want crazy returns but something to match epf and reduce my tax

Edit. You answered it a few pages before. Thanks bro Easy 50 it is
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Keep in mind if other fund house offer more US exposure that is available on FSM, I will switch without a moment of hesitation.

I will keeping my eye out for it. But unlikely to happen as
1. BNM unofficial directive
2. Heard from people in the industry that PRS is not profitable.
Ramjade
post Oct 25 2024, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(simplefella3 @ Oct 25 2024, 03:01 PM)
Versa offering RM100 for PRS deposit of RM3k...beating FSM offering kau kau can check out their website versa . com. my/ stack-and-earn-3k-prs-quest /
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Don't get tempted by the RM100. All Versa prs (affin hang prs ) return sucks overtime (can't beat EPF return)
Ramjade
post Oct 25 2024, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(zebras @ Oct 25 2024, 07:47 PM)
Can u share the performance of Versa prs?

Principal easyretire prs fund was generating near to 20% return past 1 year.

Would like to compare will I lose more in potential return for extra rm60 cash rewards, rm60/3000 is only 2%
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Just go to fsm, -> funds -> chart centre. You can put it up to 7 funds. You can easily compare how does affin hang prs stack up.

Like I suspected 1 year return, principal retireeasy2050 beats all of AHAM funds. Left it in the dust.

You can lose money with prs as underlying are stocks and bonds. So if market tank, prs will also goes down.

If you cannot see losses,don't bother investing. Dump your money into EPF. Guaranteed no losses. Only losses you have are invisible losses
1. Inflation
2. Opportunity cost

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 27 2024, 10:03 AM
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post Oct 28 2024, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(simplefella3 @ Oct 28 2024, 12:43 PM)
True, probably no comparison on the returns, I'm in it more for the tax relief than retirement planning. Nothing can beat EPF but EPF tax relief is only up 4k, with PRS and life insurance can mark up to 10k in relief. Versa's RM100 is just the cherry for me. Appreciate your point of view Ramjade!
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If you choose correctly you can match and even beat EPF return. I did. I want to have both my cake and eat it. That's why for my PRS must be able to match EPF returns.

I won't fall for any company marketing. If you are talking about cherry better to take FSM RM40 offer 😂 Vs Versa RM100 offer.
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post Oct 28 2024, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Oct 28 2024, 10:40 PM)
How's the best "long-term" way to buy PRS?

Is it through PPA, FSM, or direct from the fund houses?

If I buy via FSM, will I be able to manage my investment via the PPA or fund house?

Likewise, if I buy directly via Principal, can I view it on PPA and FSM website?

What's the cheapest method?

Can nomination be done for all purchase methods?
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Maybe I am bias. I will choose FSM. No service fees. Also the annual RM8.00 fees usually the fund house will auto minus from your investment.

You ask FSM about estate planning.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 28 2024, 11:08 PM
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post Oct 28 2024, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Oct 28 2024, 11:13 PM)
If I buy via FSM, will I be able to create a PPA account and view my holdings there?

At the moment, I don't have any PRS whatsoever.
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Where have you been all these years? Lol. All the years of income tax relief. To buy prs, you need to have PPA account. Cannot run away. FSM will ask you or help you to sign up for it. I believed got PPA forms that you need to fill up and and mail it back to FSM.

I have been prs since it was intro as I don't believe in paying lots of tax. Maximise income tax relief where possible.

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post Oct 28 2024, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Oct 28 2024, 11:20 PM)
I tried to sign up for PPA account but it forces me to buy a PRS fund to complete the registration!!!

I went through the whole process, but my account is not created unless I select a fund. This is nonsense!

FSM says it is all paperless now. https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/research/ar...e-details/11419
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If you have been there since the days of xuzen, prs is basically buy and forget about it. Buy max RM3k/year as long as govt give income tax relief. That's it. He said it himself. What's there to talk about prs. Buy prs, get income tax relief.😂You cannot withdraw early unless you want to get penalised by 8% penalty.



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post Oct 28 2024, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Oct 28 2024, 11:45 PM)
I can get 25% relief but even then it's not a must buy. Lock money for 30 years. Funds can be mismanaged. PRS fund management is lower priority than they normal Unit Trust fund management.

Anyways considering now to maximise the 25% since it's been extended to 2030. Should be able to build something decent over 7 years worth of contributions at least.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Oct 28 2024, 11:46 PM)
Do you buy and forget or actively manage the PRS portfolio?

Seems exhausting to actively manage such a small exposure in the grand scale of things.
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There are few ways to go about it.
1. Just buy any fund and be done with it. That is what most people does.
2. For me, I want to have my cake and eat it too. That's means I want income tax relief and maximise my gains.

If you see majority of the funds sold by prs all focus on Malaysia market only (maybe ? directive from SEC/BMM behind close doors) I choose the fund which have the most overseas exposure (US). Remember, I am always negative towards ringgit and Malaysin market. Before this I was a principal prs Asia Pacific dynamic investor. I switch for more US exposure after emperor Xi fiasco and when principal intro fund with exposure to US.

It's not actively managed per se but I do monitor the performance and any new fund which is intro to FSM like once a year. If and when they have a fund that track the S&P500 or the US market like 40-50% of it, I will move my money into the fund. Remember it's a long term fund. So if you can get say 10%p.a why not over a measly 2-4%p.a. The difference over long term is significant.
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post Oct 29 2024, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(poooky @ Oct 29 2024, 07:40 PM)
I'm looking at the factsheet for both 2050 and 2060 Class C and it seems like 2060 has slightly more overseas exposure. Principal Global Titans Fund MYR exposure in:

- 2050 is 27.53%
- 2060 is 27.90%

2050 factsheet: https://www.fsmone.com.my/admin/buy/factshe...etMYCPRE50C.pdf
2060 factsheet: https://www.fsmone.com.my/admin/buy/factshe...etMYCPRE60C.pdf

Does this mean that 2060 would be better for more overseas exposure?
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Results say otherwise. No idea why. You can do your own comparison.
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post Nov 14 2024, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(redza2k4 @ Nov 14 2024, 06:28 PM)
Has anyone hired one of those wealth management firms?
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Don't bother.
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post Dec 10 2024, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Dec 9 2024, 05:46 PM)
took me a while to clear my confusion and figure out why ramjade said the principle retireeasy got more exposure to US.

thanks.
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Don't use focus on most US exposure. Focus on who got the best returns over time and who have the least draw down.

Supposedly retire easy 60 got more US exposure but retire easy to got better performance. Yes past performance not same as future performance but give you some kind of like record.
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post Dec 11 2024, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 11 2024, 02:42 PM)
Try check these platform out..
https://www.fsmone.com.my/
https://www.eunittrust.com.my/

Alot lower or zero sales charges.

Btw, they don't sell Public Mutual or AIA funds
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They do sell AIA PRS funds for FSM. Don't know about eunittrust.
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post Jan 5 2025, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Jan 5 2025, 08:37 AM)
For this year, is the recommended PRS fund still Principal PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2050 - Class C?
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No. Depends on what you want and your risk profile.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jan 5 2025, 09:23 AM
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post Jan 6 2025, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Jan 6 2025, 08:58 AM)
My objective is to obtain the highest return.

I can tolerate the risk of the potential drastic drop in the NAV of the PRS fund, as long as the return should be the highest many years later.
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Highest return one year does not means highest return forever. Lots of Malaysia focus funds are doing great last year cause oversold.

You can chase and be at the party/late to the party or go for consistent returns. As you can see in the pic principal retireeasy is not in the pic. Your choice.



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post Jan 6 2025, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(Dyson Jin @ Jan 6 2025, 12:55 PM)
ayam just use versa..haha
anyways 3k topup per year only
other fund masuk lain lain tempat
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Please don't use versa. The marketing trick used by versa by giving you free money to buy versa is not worth buying AHAM funds.

I would forego the reward and choose a good fund as reward is one time only and good returns should be consistent until.
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post Jan 6 2025, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(thecurious @ Jan 6 2025, 03:13 PM)
how much was the fees when you bought for 2024?

heard about their prs funds but their website is just hard to navigate.

Cant find historical price movements and fees.

Cant find summary what their recent investments, only info found was the investment disclosed in their previous annual report dated March 2024.
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3% service charge to buy.
The standard 1.5-1.8%p.a annual expense ratio.

By choosing public mutual you are already losing 3% out of the gate. So the returns better be better than other funds that can be bought from FSM as FSM is zero percent service charge.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jan 6 2025, 03:16 PM
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post Jan 6 2025, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Dyson Jin @ Jan 6 2025, 03:49 PM)
oh dear...alright luckily is just first time using versa..so stuck 3k there only..might consider FSM as per advice here
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If they got good funds, it's a different story. I think you can contact FSM and ask them if you can transfer over to them or not.

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