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Ramjade
post Mar 20 2024, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Mar 20 2024, 07:44 PM)
is there a fund that performs like FD? i'm thinking just earn FD rate but can get tax rebate...already good enough... so far my PRS I think is in red overall..
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Got. Those funds that are around 3%p.a plenty.
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post Mar 21 2024, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Mar 21 2024, 09:13 AM)
But let me ask who in this forum really earn GOOD returns from PRS? If the returns were so DAMN GOOD most people would not think twice just invest in PRS NOT EPF.

Returns are a subjective topic because there are various factors that may influence it i.e. your entry (and dollar cost averaging subsequent) and the manager's ability to manage the fund. For details of the fund's performance, you may refer to publicly available information such as FSM, factsheet, prospectus etc...

You must be wondering why I didnt top up consistently, other than funds u bought from FSM it is so difficult to do the topping up if you buy from asset management firm directly like amprs, you probably have to fill up forms and call the company for that.

There are a few ways you can do this:

1. you can sign-up and top-up via PPA website (for all fund houses with PRS) - https://www.ppa.my/ ;
2. for FSM, if you are not happy or find it difficult to monitor your funds, you can opt to transfer your holdings from X fund house to FSM. Complete the "Transfer In" form - https://www.fsmone.com.my/support/forms/funds  , please check with FSM on how to complete the form and what documents are required; or
3. If you have AHAM funds, you can sign-up with i-access to create account. (https://iaccess.aham.com.my/).
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I am one of the few who got consistently double digit returns since prs started.
Ramjade
post Mar 21 2024, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 21 2024, 12:06 PM)
Thanks ramjade. I will probably try to transfer amprs funds
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Amprs fund sucks. Avoid. Only good fund is principal retire easy or AIA Pam growth or ironically public mutual (if you want to pay them 3% service charge per transaction)
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post Mar 21 2024, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 21 2024, 12:29 PM)
I have no choice on amprs funds because i was formerly a staff and 4% is to be contributed to amfunds…worst still the 4% not entitled for tax deduction under employee because it has already been claimed by employer.
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You can move fund house. You are not fixed to one fund house. Just lots of paperwork to do. Your choice. Make a one time move to make sure at least your PRS is matching EPF returns over long term.

At least that is what I did. By me moving to principal Asia Pacific to principal retire easy, at least still have exposure to principal Asia Pacific dynamic but reduce exposure and increase US exposure.

Do everything via FSM. Ask their customer service how to go about it.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 21 2024, 02:52 PM
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post Mar 21 2024, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 21 2024, 04:41 PM)
This is purely my view. everyone has the right to agree and disagree. but most people wouldnt have the time to monitor and switch funds all the time. I am sharing based on my experience buying 3 PRS funds the returns arent that good. even as ex bank employee you buy every month u incur 21% losses on bond funds. To keep your funds in PRS until retirement age and it cant even beat EPF returns in my opinion. You probably achieve better returns due to you entering better returns. Just go through another market crash and see.
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Bro, I dont check it often. I usually check once a year. The only time it didn't match EPF return was like last 1-2 years. I only buy 1 fund.

Majority of prs is lousy. Need to find fund which is good. Then stick with it.

There are only 2 good fund on FSM now.
Principal retire easy series
AIA Pam growth

Have your pick. Ignore everything else. You can take action now or don't take action and continue to have subpar returns.

The choice is yours.
Ramjade
post Mar 21 2024, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 21 2024, 07:44 PM)
I have already told you i didnt DCA when price came down and entered when it is peak. BTW how sure are you the returns projected by fund houses are accurate? Many times i saw the funds YTD return at 10% but return shown at my fund is probably 5-6%. Hv you ever disputed fund houses on their returns? How sure are you they never window dressed? If the PRS funds are so well performed why does it need this yax deduction to entice people to buy?
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You can check your fund performance via
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/chart-centre

You can screen for good fund to buy via the screener
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/fund-selector

The 2 link above shows previous performance. Not fund protection. Fund projection is never accurate. Of course past performance does not guarantee future performance but at least it's a track record.

Good example is the comb principal Asia Pacific dynamic fund. It's a good fund but because it focus in china, can't do anything about it's performance.

Yes majority of prs is a waste of time and money. That's why choose carefully.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 22 2024, 11:49 AM
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post Apr 4 2024, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(putraheight @ Apr 4 2024, 06:30 PM)
Sorry if these questions are silly, a noob here.

1) The purpose of putting prs is to deduct rm3k from his income right? for example:

annual income: rm50k - rm3k = rm47000

so the chargable income drop from rm50k to rm47000, so the tax percentage he need to pay drops too, correct?
2) i heard that most unit trust are losing money, is it worth it to put the money in prs beside tax reduction?

Thanks everyone  notworthy.gif
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1. Yes. It's not exactly deduct income but in a way it is deduct income. It's to bring down your tax bracket if possible and/or bring down taxable income.

2. Yes that's right. Depends on what you want. If you want can match Epf return, majority sucks (fail to match EPF returns). If you want best return but you don't mind if fund sells down can only recommend you 3 funds. Choose one.

Principal retire easy 2050 conventional or islamic version
AIA PAM growth.
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post Apr 8 2024, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 8 2024, 05:37 PM)
I don't think will end at 2025. They want to encourage Malaysians to save.. so likely will extend.

This PRS is more useful to those that dont want to learn investing themselves.. they will likely end up putting more money into it.
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If until 2025, then I will just buy prs for the last time in 2025 and leave it there.

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post Apr 9 2024, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Apr 9 2024, 03:27 PM)
I add more than the min 3k as I also use prs as a "strategy diversifier" for my retirement savings.

First, I have my own DIY portfolio which Im the portfolio manager. Second, I also have EPF where the manager is the government appointed one. And finally, PRS which is a private sector one.

Of course, using my DIY portfolio, I try to beat the other two. However, Im open to the possibility that Im not as smart as I think I am and there could be times where these others beat me.
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No need put extra. Put excess to sp500 or QQQ. Both outperform EPF and PRS by miles.
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post May 13 2024, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(thkent91 @ May 13 2024, 02:48 PM)
Feeder fund, worth it?
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Worth it. As long as outperform EPF. You get best of both world.
Income tax relief, 10%p.a return. Good enough for Malaysia standard.
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post May 19 2024, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ May 19 2024, 10:46 AM)
Ramjade

For this year, which PRS fund do you invest in?

Between Principal PRS Plus Principal RetireEasy 2050 - Class C, and AIA PAM - Growth Fund?

Thank you. smile.gif
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100% into retireeasy 2050. If one day they have a fund that is 100% US focused (unlikely) that will be the fund I choose. laugh.gif
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post May 19 2024, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ May 19 2024, 09:04 PM)
Thank you.

The price of Principal PRS RetireEasy 2050 is quite high lately, so I just wait for the price to drop down, before I invest in this PRS fund.

I may not get the lowest price, but it is fine. I can wait till the end of this year.
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I will use EPF money so no need to fork out my own money. Yeah. Or until end of this year.

QUOTE(guy3288 @ May 19 2024, 11:39 PM)
ontop of that 25% from income tax.
every year 3k mesti masuk..
actually can pump in more hor if we knew it..
manalah kita boleh tahu......
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I won't bother with more than 3k unless govt give for income tax relief. QQQ beat all of them hands down.


QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 19 2024, 11:00 PM)
Wah..there is also a 47% return 😲
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That's why I said choose the right fund. You get best of both world. Good return, income tax relief. Lots of people don't want to listen. All only want to buy for tax relief.

That's also why I snubbed all AHAM funds as they cannot beat Principal retire easy performance even though Versa trying to dangle me some carrots

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post May 20 2024, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 20 2024, 07:23 AM)
That 47% was from an Aham prs fund tho.
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Depends on how long you hold those funds.

If you use this website to check, you will see their performance is meh.
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/chart-centre
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post May 20 2024, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ May 20 2024, 10:09 AM)
You're comparing a fund with less than 3 years RetireEasy2050 with that of more than 10 years AHAM Growth. 

PRS scheme was launched in 2012, those who have invested in AHAM Growth would have compounded gains compared to when they have waited to invest in RetireEasy2050 which is only available in nearing Q4 2022. Not pragmatic isn't it?
That said, the US market started to rise just recently and all funds will float up as well, especially if they have the exposure to that market.
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I started my journey with principal pra Asia Pacific when prs was introduced. US market have been going up since last time. It was the darling fund but you cannot blame them as they focus on china and emperor xi is the main problem.

Yes that's true. Even though 1y only, my past and present experience with US market have shown it's a resilient and I will continue with principal prs retire easy going forward. I will not change them back to principal prs Asia Pacific.
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post May 24 2024, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(virgoguy @ May 24 2024, 09:46 AM)
you switched out from Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C?  any switching fee? How long does it take to switch?
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Zero fees. Even though you switch to different provider it's free. Not sure got limit to the number of switches until they start charging you. I use FSM.

Few days.
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post Jun 24 2024, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(danshi @ Jun 24 2024, 08:46 AM)
There seems to be many providers offering PRS funds. Which PRS providers is recommended?
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That question you have to ask yourself. What do youw want with PRA? If you just want income tax relief only, buy any prs will do.

But if you want best performance than you need to search. Cause high performance may be volatile.

For me, I go with principal retire easy 50. Buy it via Fsm for zero service charge. Reason I choose principal retire easy 50 is because
1. Higher returns than EPF
2. The only 2 fund on FSM with international exposure other than AIA.The more international exposure I have, the lesser it's expose to Malaysian currency.

Keep in mind what I have may not be suitable for you as my risk tolerance is very high.

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post Jun 24 2024, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Jun 24 2024, 12:20 PM)
Hi ramjade, what is your view on the principal islamic retire easy 50? Isnt that fund having international exposure as well?
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Go to fsm chart centre and compare yourself
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/chart-centre

For 6 months and 1 year, the non islamic version is doing better. There is no data yet for 3 years as both series are still new.

Both should be ok.

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post Jun 24 2024, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(thecurious @ Jun 24 2024, 06:01 PM)
Why did you go with Easy 50 instead of Easy 60?
Easy 50 will sell off at least 10 years earlier than Easy 60 if understood correctly.
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Why? Very simple.
Look at the returns. Easy 50 give better returns Vs Easy 60. Also Easy 50 have I think more overseas exposure.

I don't care about selling goff early. By 2059, likely got better fund.

QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 24 2024, 09:18 PM)
Dang, I somehow missed 50 and 60, so I was on 40. Need to switch.
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Pick whichever you like. I like 50 over 40 or 60.
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post Jul 12 2024, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jul 11 2024, 05:04 PM)
Most if not all buy for the Tax Relief only...
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Depends on what you want. I don't just buy for tax relief. I buy to get returns that can exceed EPF. Have my cake and eat it at the same time.

QUOTE(onthefly @ Jul 12 2024, 02:26 AM)
I guess you been buying PRS for the last 10+ years?
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I have been buying PRS since it was launched. Never turn away tax savings. Income tax paid = money not yours. PRS = money still yours.
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post Jul 12 2024, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(poooky @ Jul 12 2024, 01:39 PM)
Anyone know of any low risk fixed income MMF like PRS? Something like KDI Save for PRS?
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I won't bother even if got mmf type of funds. Why? You cannot use the money or withdraw it unless you want to incur 8% penalty. Better to let it grow and withdraw a meaningful amount at 55 years old.

But that's just me and my thinking.

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