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post Jun 9 2007, 08:57 PM

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^LOL sweat.gif

indeed... from this line gotten from wiki, I suggest you treat M-particles as fictional gimmick tongue.gif But it's nice bullshit compared to the unexplained super POWAHZ of Strike Freedom.... anything you have, I have it too, and bigger and better... Twin rifles? no problem... combining guns, I've got 'em too. Plasma cannon? Yup it's there... WoL? Mine has more bling than yours !!

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The Minovsky-Ionesco reactor was named after its fictional inventor. This reactor was "radical" due to the fact that it was the first "clean" nuclear reactor, emitting zero neutron radiation. The nuclear equation was:

    {}^3_2\mathrm{He} + {}^2_1\mathrm H \to {}^4_2\mathrm{He} + \mathrm p (energy released: 18.35 MeV)

The reactant used a rare isotope of helium known as helium-3 (i.e., 2 protons and 1 neutron in the nucleus). A helium-3 atom is fused with a deuterium atom (heavy hydrogen) to form the stable helium-4 and a single proton. Since the proton is positively charged, it can easily be trapped within a magnetic field. The main practical problem with this reaction is that helium-3 is extremely rare; there are few deposits on Earth, mainly found in uranium mines, and these are mostly depleted. The Gundam world's fusion reactors rely on a constant supply of helium-3 imported from the outer solar system planet Jupiter, thus necessitating the beginning of the Jupiter Energy Fleet. The JEF would travel from Earth to Jupiter, which has a high level of helium-3 in its atmosphere, and then come back to Earth with the gas fuel. It should be noted that in real physics, helium-3-deuterium fusion produces neutrons due to inevitable deuterium-deuterium reactions. Also, significant quantities of helium-3 were recently discovered on the moon, although there is certainly much more on Jupiter.

According to the official guide of Mobile Suit Gundam, Gundam Century and Gundam Officials, the Minovsky Physics Society, while working on the reactor, encountered a strange electromagnetic wave effect in U.C.0065 within the Minovsky-Ionesco reactor that could not be explained by conventional physics.Within the next few years, they identified the cause: a new elementary particle generated by the helium-3 reaction on the inner wall of the reactor, which was named the Minovsky particle or "M" particle. The Minovsky particle has near-zero rest mass - though, like any particle, its mass increases to reflect its potential or kinetic energy - and can carry either a positive or negative electrical charge. When scattered in open space or in the air, the repulsive forces between charged Minovsky particles cause them to spontaneously align into a regular cubic lattice structure called an I-field. An I-field lattice will slowly expand and scatter into space, however, after dense interference it will take approximately 29 days before the region can support normal electromagnetic communication again.

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post Jun 10 2007, 02:27 PM

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^ Read the previous pages... we BASHED it already tongue.gif

About CE's techie stuff, like redeye said it's not GS that pissed us, it's Mighty Morphin' GSD. The battery concept in GS was a good concept as it prevented MSes from spamming too much. Energy guzzlers like Aegis could only fire the Scylla a few times before it ran out of juice, otherwise imagine what it could do with a nuke reactor... Endless spamming with Scylla...

Of course, the battery issue can be used as a plot armor when required. Point blank Scylla in your face Tomato !!

In GSD the battery issue suddenly became non-existent. Ok, Impulse can be recharged by the energy beam (which looked stupid anyway), but have you ever seen other suits ran out of juice? Saviour flew around spamming beams for fun, while the druggie suits have no problems with battery too.

I could go on and on about GSD but I'll stop here. The conclusion is that CE has good ideas which was relatively well implemented in the early parts of GS, but once Lacus and Freedom came out, everything went downhill.
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post Jun 10 2007, 05:43 PM

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It's not the lack of explanations about techie stuff that made GSD bad... Seriously watch other Gundam series first (don't limit to UC anyway, there's also AU) and compare them to GSD and you will see how bad GSD is.
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post Jun 10 2007, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Jun 10 2007, 05:52 PM)
Err so does it means Kira a newtype??

when beam was invented suddenly we see OMFG Hyperion Gundam have some large ass green sheild...

I feel that the techical explanation doesnt sufficently explain the CE world.
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Kira is not a newtype, he's godlike. To be honest, I can accept his usage of funnels since the newer design of Dragoons can be used by non newtypes eg Legend Gundam; but why do they have to give him the newtype flash? For more bling bling of course !! As I've said, anything other people has, Kira MUST have it... bigger and better too. doh.gif

About Hyperion, I seriously don't mind the green ass shield. In fact I feel the story of Astray X was quite interesting. Too bad Canard didn't meet Kira and whop his butt all over.

Techie stuff... Obviously it's not as well described as UC, after all it's THE ORIGINAL essence of Gundam. Again, as I've mentioned before, one of my dissatisfaction with CE is the lack of a background history of the calendar. We were introduced to George Glenn and his journeys, we saw the Space Whale Fossil a couple of times in GS; but all that background info was shoved under the carpet towards the end of Seed (except for Raw Le Klueze's verbal thrashing of Mwu and Kira in the final 2 episodes). It was totally discarded in GSD where they only focused on yaoi stuff and soap drama.

Where were the politics? Where were the factions? Where were the backstabbing bastards? Where were the conflicts? NOOOOOOOO... only the Pink Queen and her goons pwning everyone. Strike Freedom pwning everyone in 2 minutes... 3 Doms killing the ENTIRE ZAFT army. Yeah yeah, Gundam W had super robots too, but they were destructible and their presence played a vital role in the storyline.

Pffffhhhh... That's why I don't hold high hopes for OO.

Anyway, rant over for now. If anyone likes GSD by all means go ahead and enjoy it and don't get put off by our lack of love for it. The message is, to truly enjoy the universe of Gundam, watching UC is compulsory even though it too has its flaws. AU is just a supplement, and not all of them were great.

Now let's see some tech manuals biggrin.gif
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post Jun 10 2007, 11:56 PM

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You mean same charges since they are same M particles... same charges repel with opposing force tongue.gif

CCA beam sabre... Sazabi's sabres lost to Nu's red beams... Char should have used it in tomahawk mode, looks more ganas.

Anyway... I'm halfway through Belt's Children adi... thumbup.gif Good stuff.
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post Jun 11 2007, 12:19 AM

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Everyone don't fight lah ahaha... no point arguing over techie stuff since they are all fictional. As long as our common ground is that GSD = SUCK, everything will be fine tongue.gif

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post Jun 11 2007, 09:49 AM

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Ok Ok guys... end of melee OK? We all agree that GSD suck because the whole idea of the story was not properly implemented and had no focus at all. It's not due to the lack of techie explanations.

UC > CE because it had a properly elaborated universe and theme
CE started of as a homage to UC, kinda like a 21st Century UC to attract new kiddie fans. And it succeeded in that pretty well, despite the obvious flaws in the show.

If anyone thinks fanboyism is bad, wait till you see my friend who introduced me to Gundam Seed. He's the no.1 Kira fanboy and everytime we discuss about the pros and cons about any gundam series, he'll say Kira is SUPERPOWAHFUL and deserves to pwn ALL... doh.gif doh.gif Absolutely no point telling me about UC or AC or other universe.


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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Jun 11 2007, 12:20 PM)
Wrong... The MS Encyclopedia series has been around since War in the pocket anime was release.
Indeed... in fact there are a couple of magazines released which were explaining the techie stuff in UC...

This dude even did research on UC stuff.
http://www.ultimatemark.com/gundam/#resources

Proof that UC designs ROCK.
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WOOT!! The Victory Type looks ultra BADASS... thumbup.gif

About the aruging on the net pic... walaoeh... I find it disturbing... let's not make fun of mentally disabled children shall we? icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Jun 12 2007, 09:31 AM

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Well let's not argue about whether Gundam or Macross is better. Both are different in their own ways. In fact, I just downloaded a very old OVA of Votoms and the animation is similar to 0079 tongue.gif Haven't watched it though...

By the way, UNICORN!!! TRANSLATED !!! In Chinese though... Damn... I have still yet to finish Belthorchika's Children, and with 0079 novel coming after that... How can I finish everything? I don't think I'll start Unicorn now since it's not going to be finished in the near future.

http://photo.163.com/photos/led2989/

ReZel specs in Chinese... now at least we can read some techie stuff... grunt suit with a Hyper Mega Launcher... WOOT !!
http://img.photo.163.com/1WieYpM-GS4PIGZHU...11798222766.jpg

Loto Specs:
http://img.photo.163.com/1nOJ9tZXY8PcyMtVM...11143687762.jpg

Tank Mode:
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If all of these were to be animated, it'd pwn OO totally.

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QUOTE(tam_ironcup @ Jun 12 2007, 08:08 PM)
im curious, why use ships if a gundam can just anihiliate it like a bug? why not just send in  a whole fleet of supah pwered pilots with super powered ultimate motha f***inchuntet mobile suits instead of wasting money on develping battleships? althought i admit, when wathicng my first evah gundam series which is seed, that the ship was kinda cool tongue.gif
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Brother... ships are useful. Battleships carry supplies for the Gundams which are just glorified war machines like tanks or fighter planes. They need fuel, they need ammo, they need maintenance and repairs. Without battleships mobile suits are junk metal.

Battleships provide support fire too to clear any first line enemies first before deploying MSes. Watch CCA and see how many first line MSes got shot down by battleship fire. More importantly is that battleships almost never fight alone. They are arranged in a formation where every ship covers each other's butt, and MSes rarely come close enough to cause damage before being shot down. Don't forget there are also MSes guarding the battleship, just like interceptor jets of a modern day aircraft carrier.

If it's a one on one of course the battleship would be easier to destroy due to the attacking MS's small size and high mobility (Radish... remember?). When there's a battalion, MSes don't stand a chance.

OK, this is not pointing towards you, but this is what Super Robot Gundam is doing to new viewers. Now everybody thinks Gundams are power ranger megazords which pwn everybody in the universe.

Now here's a recommendation. After watching Seed, stop there and don't even continue into GSD unless you want crap story telling, horrible character portrayal, outrageous pacing and stupid mecha battles, and most annoying of all, ENDLESS RECYCLED SCENES. Go watch some UC instead. biggrin.gif Download F91 or CCA or Zeta Movies; or the short OVAs like 0080, 0083, 08th MS team if you are lazy to watch entire 50 episode series...

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CEitis LOL !!!

Anyway, just finished Belthorchika's Children... SUPERB !!! IMO it's even better than CCA since the characters have more interaction with each other, and the ending part about the Psychic glow that pushed Axis away is described in a palatable manner.

Gyunei/Glab and Nanai/Metsuna are pitiful characters in the novel. Their characters were slightly better portrayed in the novel, while Quess is less a brat (she's also a tragic character in the novel). And I stand by my opinion that Belthorchika makes more sense than having the unrelated Chan being in a relationship with Amuro.

What a superb finale. Even better than CCA thumbup.gif
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Chinese... translated version tongue.gif

Very nice thumbup.gif If only CCA followed the characters of this story.. biggrin.gif
Anyway, towards the end the non-main characters died fast and undramatic, like the ending of Zeta in typical Tomino style. It showed how puny mankind is in the battlefield; a brief lapse of concentration would kill you immediately.

Of course, Amuro and Char's demise was still dramatic as ever, but at least Char didn't whine about Lalah this time.

Here's the novel if anyone wants it.
IT'S A MUST READ !!!
Attached File  cca___belthorchika__s_children.doc ( 715.5k ) Number of downloads: 19


SRW GAAANNDDDAAAMMMM !!!
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Well, Lalah appeared frequently in both Amuro and Char's dreams according to both Belthorchika and Metsuna in the novel. But at the ending part where Amuro slammed Char's pod into Axis, Char didn't mention about Lalah unlike the movie version.

Read it... then again, it's 90% similar to the movie anyway...

meanwhile... came across this, not sure whether it's a fanmade art or it's another power ranger from OO
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QUOTE(james83 @ Jun 13 2007, 10:19 PM)
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Amuro slammed Char's pod into Axis
so Char dies? blink.gif
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It's not mentioned in the movie, but from what I've read about interviews with Tomino, they are pretty much dead. I'd classify them as MIA rather than KIA since their bodies aren't found...

Then again, yeah... consider them dead.
Unless.... Full Frontal = Char, and Unicorn = White = Gundam = Amuro tongue.gif
Ok, this ain't CE whistling.gif Not everyone can make the impossible, possible.

QUOTE(-milo- @ Jun 14 2007, 12:58 AM)
hihi everyone

im kinda new to this gundam world. i watched 08th ms team(my favourite so far), gundam seed(though many bashings,i actually enjoyed n liked it very much), gundam seed destiny(1st few epi was kinda good,then totally sucked till the end), and gundam wing(not bad).

i want to see more of d ori version of gundam..any reconmendations? any series dat i just shudnt miss? all those 0079 n zeta n double zeta kinda confusing..if im not wrong they are all related right?
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Yeah.... welcome to the "Bright" side. Pun intended.

0079 08thMS 0080 0083 Z ZZ CCA/Belthorchika's children F91 V
There you go. And if you can find translated version of Char's Deleted Affair... lots of loli thumbup.gif

QUOTE(Guyver @ Jun 14 2007, 06:09 AM)
The novel is Hathway's flash.....talking about Hathway Noah as the leader of a rebel group, he pilots the Xi Gundam. Haven't read, but if not mistaken, Hathway died in the end anyway. As for Char and Amuro, actually both "They didn't mention" and "They don't know" are correct, since they couldn't find any remains of both MS, but again, in UC, when your MS goes boom boom and you don't have core fighter, you're consider KIA.
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Hathway's Flash... haven't read it, but some people in other forums consider it to be non-canon... oh well. then again, the Xi and Penelope are two overdesigned CE/Astray looking mechas... doh.gif

Usso says "non" to giant backpacks. erm... Assault-Buster V2 excluded tongue.gif
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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Jun 14 2007, 12:29 PM)
He means those scansalation of Chars deleted affair manga. Starghazzer love it cos its Hamansama at its cutest.
Its confirm by Tomino. He mention it at a interview at an Anime convention in US.
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Better than crap talking pink queen... doh.gif
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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Jun 14 2007, 08:34 PM)
We should have daily themes like /b/.. honestly i think half the pics we post is haman and char related...
You mean half of the pics I post... right? tongue.gif

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Today, we mourn over the death of Gundam.

damn it...
Excia = anorexia nervosa
Dynames = another anorexic
Kyrios = WTF is with the knee blades? Stab yourself when you bend your legs? ZOMFG and the pilot is called Allejujah LOL sweat.gif
Virtue = hahahahahhahahahaha fatso.... and the pilot is GAY. Why can't they just let it be a girl instead?

THIS IS A GUNDAM????? Why don't they just call it Super Robot War OO? mad.gif
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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Jun 15 2007, 12:35 AM)
I also post haman pics also.. lol. I just dont believe we  actually got cute haman pics while in truth she very cruel and cynical women.
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Seriously.... GSD's designs look godly when placed beside SRWOO's. doh.gif

And how can you take things seriously when there's a character called Allejujah. What's next? A baddie named Baptism? Amen? rclxub.gif

I need to wash my eyes. They hurt.
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OMG how can you do a Pap Smear on a guy? doh.gif doh.gif Where do you want to scrape?

meanwhile... no Haman-sama at the moment, but we've got Emma-sama. wub.gif
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