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 HONDA CIVIC Club V11, My VTEC goes BWAAAAAHH!!!!

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post Nov 5 2012, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(ferio94eg9 @ Nov 2 2012, 03:15 PM)
guys, just wanna share some pictures and maybe someone can analyse if happened to your ride b4....

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stock parts breaking? 20 years +already loh

thats why i swapped to forged. sure the stock can handle 200hp, but its been a long time.
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post Nov 5 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Nov 5 2012, 02:46 PM)
where to buy?
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order online ELM 327 dongle, my friend gave it to me free, he bought a few.

thing is... i dont have any car i can use it with.... ROFL

OBD2 dongle, like sold at superscan.com.my


Added on November 5, 2012, 4:27 pm
QUOTE(zenix @ Nov 5 2012, 01:56 PM)
whoah!
its something like a turbo?
is EGR carbon build up a famous problem for honda owners?
maddriver says idling issues for honda always also EGR dirty or throttle body.  sweat.gif
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no, it takes your exhaust gas and puts it in the intake, and yes, its a common honda problem requiring frequent cleaning
when new, it is not a problem, the carbon buildup is faster when your car starts burning oil
another common idling problem is due to tps setting or IACV

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post Nov 5 2012, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Nov 5 2012, 05:00 PM)
how come dun have car to use it with?
need special input/output?

thats why now i thinking to send it to maddriver to do a proper work for rm600 or try my luck with honda sc's rm300 solution  doh.gif
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newer OBD2 only, eg ek, runs obd1 or earlier gen obd2 without the 16 pin socket in newer cars

clean egr diy got in youtube lah.. diy lor

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post Nov 6 2012, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Nov 6 2012, 10:05 AM)
mine now is honda city, macam mana?  sweat.gif
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if not the 90s model, think can. google obd2 socket and see if your car has one, if got, then can use


Added on November 6, 2012, 9:53 pmused toda, toolight lor. 4.x kg. had to compensate with iacv duty cycle in hondata according to my friend.

stilll, good for track, bad for street

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post Nov 7 2012, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 7 2012, 12:33 AM)
toda flywheel? thats at 4.1kg if not mistaken... only 200gm diff than the exedy... oh well...fine for me since my car isnt daily driven and i plan to setup the car more towards track days.

got a friend with the toda flywheel though on his ori EG6 B16.. paired with the exey 4puck uses the car almost daily and hes happy with it... he recently changed the block to a B20 n hes still happy with it. dood made 211whp on the dynojet with b16b cams tuned with VAFC and everything else stock...bottom end stock...head stock... even the intake manifold is stock b16a
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I am guessing he is running super high comp. with CF4 pistons. One of the older Kakis had the same setup like above
220 hp with unichip. Car engine blew up during a hard launch after 3 years. Now quit bawak BMW E92.

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post Nov 7 2012, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 7 2012, 01:21 PM)
not sure if thomas did the tuning or if the poji guys did it... i just know that the dyno tuning was done at GT Auto.
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sure magic or tipu specs lah, p3f pistons stock are. 8.8cr. cf4 is 85mm 12 to 12+CR.
or maybe using 92/95mm stroker

cannot defeat the law of engineering, mechanics or thermodynamics.

220whp obtainable with 86mm pistons with stock stroker

also possibly uncorrected hp figures

kan kencing newbies la, but i think u know better than to believe such setup can get 210whp, on engine that is roughly 235hp, and that is a low figure for transmission losses(include clutch gbox and tires) . my old b16a has 27hp loss from transmission, my b20 is like 30+hp. syok tengok flywheel hp, when atw, 201.. lololol

i have no expectations on my itb setup when it gets tuned. the only thing that would give me more hp atm is upstroking or head porting and slightly bigger cams

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post Nov 7 2012, 02:43 PM

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or if got also, peaky power, which means actual car not that fast.
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post Nov 7 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 7 2012, 02:42 PM)
actually... not the first time ive heard about a stock setup pushing alot of power...one of avantech's mechanics told me about a similar setup pushing 210whp. even he himself was amazed.

anyway.. the owner is kind of a noob when it comes to all these specifics. n he was on a tight budget for the build coz he had to repair his chassis as well at the same time. so yeah...i do believe its stock

he already showed me the figures on the dyno chart... just a zoom on the numbers... waiting for the full chart pic...
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heh, i stopped believing dyno figures when i did a test with a 260whp car last year. 1-3rd, no chance, only fourth he managed to close the gap.


Added on November 7, 2012, 2:48 pm
QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 7 2012, 02:44 PM)
agreed... which is why im waiting for the full chart.
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the higher the hp, the worse the transmission losses, my friends 180 sxwith 350hp turbo incurs about 70hp drivetrain losses(now i remember the correct term)

sr20 with hks turbo kit tho

thats why i hard to believe. just from what i see la


Added on November 7, 2012, 2:54 pm
QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 7 2012, 02:44 PM)
agreed... which is why im waiting for the full chart.
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look at tq and hp at 3-5k can straightaway know. lolol

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post Nov 7 2012, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(ferio94eg9 @ Nov 7 2012, 03:33 PM)
are u guys looking for this 'machine'...

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Added on November 7, 2012, 3:48 pm

mind to elaborate more....
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250+ psi 12ish compression likely. 11ish cr only gives about 215-230 depending on ring seal and compression, 12-13 cr is 240-270psi 13-14 cr the gauge near max or cannot read.. too high lol. ive seen only one engine before that past the 300psi mark. the numbers are based on the condition that the ring seal is very good and the engine is cold. warm usually reads slightly lower, unless if engine never run in yet.

but that comp test is a big giveaway that it is not low compression. at that kind of psi reading 210whp is easy.

peaky means that at 1-6k rpm, it makes less power and torque than a same engine with same cc. but wins a lot at high rpm like 6-9k rpm. an example of peaky engines is like mat salleh drag car, silap launch, car stalls. supposedly in theory this kind of cars are fast when using close gear ratio to keep it in the powerband

mine is torquey, 2-2.5k rpm can wheelspin if i dump the clutch. but my peak power is poor.



Added on November 7, 2012, 6:18 pmbtw nice wiretuck job

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post Nov 8 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(ferio94eg9 @ Nov 8 2012, 08:22 AM)
here's the chart:-

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Added on November 8, 2012, 8:24 am

means peaky power more towards track / drag setup? since both condition will be using RPM ranging 5.5-9K....
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yep. looking at the chart looks like can turn on the high cam cam ealier, with b20b without oil squirters and stock oil pump, can turn on vtec at 4500rpm without problems if you have full management. with oil squirter, a bit problematic if below 5k since those oil squirters reduce total oil pressure,. that high end torque looks good,, i can believe its stock type R cams.

i assume the madman chart is the same one for that car. not really peaky at all, actually quite same as mine that 2.5k mark peak on low cam means its stock cams i think probably not aftermarket, except maybe higher comp so gain higher hp output, but if standard b20b pistons? confirm tipu arr. the torque numbers so high it is impossible it is a 8.8 static CR

come to think of it, i woulld believe it is a b16a cam on this car. that rapid torque drop after 7.5k looks like my b20 when it was running b16a cams.with tyoe r cams torque also start dropping at 7.5 k, so i think either head restriction or exhaust, but exhaust akready 2.7. maybe i will port my spare b16a head one of these days and see if got changes.

btw, you sure this is atw? one 2.2l here has 22tq at 8k also about 215ish only atw.


Added on November 8, 2012, 11:22 am
QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Nov 8 2012, 09:40 AM)
Remember my ride? from being handsome to something that is not handsome in the eyes of girls. LoL. Ok, my old ride i literally strip down all those skirting, rims, original seats, and also the engine, and so on. Here's a sneak peek of whats inside. LOL. I name it my personal screamer. This pic was just taken after endorsing. But now more things we're added.  whistling.gif

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Specs:

B16A
Auto Tranny
(epic fail  doh.gif )
NGK Iradium Spark Plugs
Aerospeed cable plugs
Simota Open Pod
4-2-1 exhaust piping 2'
5Zigen Fireball exhaust
( i dont think this is original as i bought it for RM350, must be replica   hmm.gif )
P30 ECU + Rechip
Spoon Sports rim 15x7JJ
Running on M7 5-30W High Response Engine oil Semi Synthethic
(dun dare to use full synthetic yet till this one finishes, im gonna get 0-20W)
Castrol gear oil (forgot what type already but i remember its gold colour 1L bottle type)
Toda High cams with Toda cam pulley

Huhu.... even with tranny, i can still smoke some stock b16a with minor mods but not LSD's. Top speed was over 200kmh (found a straight road leading to matang wildlife) im still waiting for a LSD gearbox transplant. I had no choice cuz they only had a EG6 halfcut with auto tranny but with a nice price. So i just go for it. Lucky i bring my trusty mechanic to check the engine before purchase. The half cut it self cost RM7k ( i think this is the cheapest in kuching ) and installation was 2k. The ECU was already rechipped so no cut off on the speed and rpm can pull till 9 or above but i dont dare to. Came with the victorx intake. So i completedly mod the interior. Dashboard to center console now is all black with the original EG6 black steering (which makes my eyes big while looking at the H logo) and also i bought CRX front seats since its the cheapest compared to EG9 seats. Took out my old soundsystem and put in a under seat sub. Now waiting for the LSD to reach kuching.

1 question. LSD gearbox full set, is it worth RM4k? including installation. Should i keep my auto tranny or just trade it in so that i can just pay RM2.5k?

Budget is not an issue here. Bonus coming in soon  whistling.gif
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top speed for b16a gbox is 240 with 195/55R15, 250kmh with 205/50R16. +/- 1kmh, GPS verified. rev limit 8.2k.
if 9k rpm, add 10kmh or so

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post Nov 8 2012, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(KU_AM21SLIPKNOT @ Nov 8 2012, 08:48 PM)
The latest for b18c i guess...


Added on November 8, 2012, 8:53 pm

Like madman said, im kind of noob bout all these things..
The result was much better than what i had in mind..  Kinda surprise at first.. But it make me happy though.. Compare to my last b16a, the different in term of perfomance is too big..

Ps: thanx for the wire tuck compliment.. Looks nice right?? Hehehehe
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questions on your setup .
what exhaust sizing you run?
head ported or not?
cams?

yeah, looks good, that low torque at 3-5k wont be nice though, for me lah, since i daily drive, so see that rpm range quite often,.
overall quite nice, set the vtec earlier a bit, can get better hp in midrange without affecting the top. mine is 4.8k vtec crossover, but variable, at low throttle, it is 6k, this is to prevent vtec crossover jerking at very low throttle since i daily my car.

hondata has this setting, just need to set the map sensor trigger point. to low or high load. the stock one is way off,.

wire tuck only rm280? damn want to do also la. i asked around for the mil spec circular connectors, but they are like 300-500 depending on pin number and material.


Added on November 8, 2012, 11:04 pm
QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Nov 8 2012, 12:20 PM)
Im aiming at a fast start. but also got mid end power as mine is auto. so i only hope for my gear 2 shift perfect, i can feel like my body suddenly pull back. my gear 1 is abit slow. i rev up to 3.5k rpm and shift to 1. so from 3.5k to 5.2k takes a few seconds before vtec pull. 5.2k - 8.??rpm only then i shift to gear 2, at the moment of shifting perfectly, the second gear vtec pulls very fast hitting 8k RPM. i did tried shifting on 7.5k rpm but it only brings me to 5k RPM which vtec is still closed. thats why i shift to a higher rpm for instance 8.5k or 8.8k. so when people are in 3rd gear, im still in 2nd gear, but im still infront (not all the times). the supprising fact was, my car was an auto tranny smoking a manual b16a. but i still need more stuff to add on. i was thinking of the cold air intake custom type where the mushroom ( power cleaner pod) comes out the chasis just below the daun pisang ( the plastic part at above the tyre ) will that increase my pickup more? and also i want to try the NGK Iradium IX, a piggyback ecu and a vtec controller. is it worth it?
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eh silap, your one auto.the number i posted is manual gearbox

piggyback and vtec controller you can buy hondata already lo, but it doesnt support auto gearbox

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post Nov 11 2012, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(KU_AM21SLIPKNOT @ Nov 9 2012, 02:57 AM)
Cheap right? Hehehe.. I'll try my best to answer your questions.. Exhaust- 2.3", head ported?- nope i dont think so.. Cams?- b16b... Anyway good info though since im planning to use my car daily afterwards.. Need to travel a bit from my house coz its just not worth it to 'rempit' with current weather conditions.. Kihkihkih
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Yeah, especially when using semi slicks, rain performance is pretty poor.

Have fun with your new beast haha.

Haven't had time to tune mine after the swap to ITBs and the 2.7 decat pipe.

Today saw the paint flaking off from the top of the roof. doh.gif

Have to fix lo. shakehead.gif

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post Nov 11 2012, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 11 2012, 10:34 PM)
uiks? the itbs fixed already? wat brand were they again?

anyway...picked up exedy stage 2 4 puck clutch on saturday..n banshee is finally at the workshop! will be picking her up on tuesday coz they abit bz...

funny thing...the car was parked since raya eve..n has accumulated alot of dust n was so dirty....when i parked it at the workshop outside...it started raining...n the car became clean hahahahaha
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oer japan. tuning is still not complete only idling and 1-5k rpm range. enough for me to drive down kl and do up exhaust.
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 13 2012, 01:58 AM)
Banshee returns today.....with exedy flywheel and exedy 4puck clutch...

and S80 4.4...
dammit....it was the gearbox...not the clutch..old clutch was still in good condition....in debt again cry.gif
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Well, sorta guessed since R clutch easily takes 200hp usually.


Added on November 13, 2012, 1:59 pm
QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 13 2012, 01:16 PM)
thought the clutch was kaputed....but it turned out to be ok...

clutch release bearing spoilt and gearbox centre shaft is gone...can shake the bugger (supposed to not be able to move at all)

n since the car is at jebon who only deals with type r parts, masuk S80 gearbox je la....
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S80 okay what. If clutch pack LSD lagi pening, after a while need to replace the clutch pack, even though performance is better than helical.

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 13 2012, 02:04 PM)
yeah..never really wantes clutch type.lsd...helical from type r has always been.my choice

now 1 of my tein flex oso leaking...haih...gotta send it to f tuned racing tomorrow morning...rear passenger side
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Too bad about your gearbox, or not can upgrade suspension already eh?
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QUOTE(Dennos @ Nov 13 2012, 03:18 PM)
side mirror stolen and torn from my door. zzz.
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Wow, damn crooks will steal anything these days.


Added on November 13, 2012, 4:03 pm
QUOTE(KU_AM21SLIPKNOT @ Nov 13 2012, 03:25 PM)
The shaft is gone? How is that possible? S80? Wow kaya laa lu dude.. Btw any idea how to notify the type of gbox? I was told that mine is the LSD type but not with the specific code such S80.. If im not mistaken mine is "LSD Ori EG6"..  Any idea?
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Got stamping on the gearbox, or to be sure, take out both driveshafts and intermediate shaft and look through the hole, if there is no obstruction, it has an LSD. Most aftermarket LSD and ori honda helical can see through the LSD hole where intermediate shaft and the passenger driveshaft is plugged into. Open diff LSD have a shaft in between the two holes.

Second is spinning tires, but it's not really 100% method since you have to gauge the resistance to turning


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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 13 2012, 04:28 PM)
upgrade? to wat? made an appointment with F Tuned already for tomorrow morning.
no idea how its possible... kaya apa kebendanya? hutang broooooooooooo hahahhahahahaha....itu pun nasib gearbox lama aku ada orang nak beli gak... kurang hutang...banyak kurang hehheh
bab LSD ko tu... cara paling senang jack kete, and spin tayar... kalau dua2 belah spin tu... then its most likely LSD. n look for the stamp on ur gearbox... sometimes its engraved, sometimes its just a chop. should be near ur engine number
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Takde LSD pun spin jugak le.. haha


Added on November 13, 2012, 4:53 pm
QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 13 2012, 04:28 PM)
upgrade? to wat? made an appointment with F Tuned already for tomorrow morning.
Airbag suspension lah, can bounce around the track.. LIKE A BOSS.

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 13 2012, 07:17 PM)
lol...

new clutch is gonna take getting used to...keraaaaass

n not much diff with the new prothane shifter bushings too...

but the new clutch n gearbox does feel good
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Haha. Higher clamp load of course harder la. But if you are like me, after a while, cannot feel anything already. Because of that, when I drive my friend's K20A, the clutch feel like sponge lol. And finally since after changing the clutch pump, the clutch release finally feels normal, not more chattering at low speeds when releasing clutch

Harder shifter bushings not much difference? Perhaps depends on driving method. On mine, it certainly helped prevent my friend from one hand steering and one hand on gear while driving. Kebas tangan vibrate so much lol. Then again, I am already on hardened engine mounts.

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QUOTE(HeLLonEarTH @ Nov 14 2012, 08:36 AM)
Guys, i just met a seller. he was selling B16B Type R LSD gearbox. Full set btw. So is there anything which i need to know before sealing the deal with him? Anything that i should know before purchasing?
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Check the gearbox that it works? Eheheh. sweat.gif


Added on November 14, 2012, 9:54 am
QUOTE(ferio94eg9 @ Nov 14 2012, 09:17 AM)
anyone wanna sell their Hondata ECU (B-Series), kindly PM me....
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Bro better state your budget, if 1K sans ECU, mamposlah mau cari, ECU alone also already $$$ plus.
Usually sold for 2.5K(or more) including original ecu.

Actually I'm debating whether to sell mine or not and go for AEM. But even if I sell for 2.5K, I need to triple that amount for AEM v2 for its COP option and staged injection. doh.gif

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 14 2012, 01:06 PM)
yeah when i was driving my EF it was like that too... used to super stiff clutch....drive other peoples car like so lembik their clutch hahahaha

drove the car abit more today... slightly more vibration on the knob... n shifting is only slightly more "notchy"...dunno if its coz of the new gb or the bushings....but then again... ive always driven with both hands on the steering except when shifting biggrin.gif
actually if ur on OBD1 already, the S300 costs 2.5k brand new including install and tuning these days....so ur gonna have to sell urs for significantly less than 2.5k...last i heard got people even selling at 1k for used S300
same like my friend.. his fake spoon mirrors (EG6) got stolen...and only 1 side doh.gif
as above...if already on OBD1, 2.5k can get brand new including install and tune... check with din (the guy with the dyno at autobaze USJ1) or even GT Auto Sunway or Fast Autoworks Sri Muda or alot of other workshops. I'd recommend Din though....said to be real good with VTECs but i heard his first tuning hes quite brutal on the engine so that he can see all parameters.

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Well, the s300 is without ECU brand new, while with ECU is different pricing, naturally if want to sell my s300, I will sell with the OBD1 ECU, since I don't need it when I go AEM. But the AEM V2 set that I am eyeing is like 2.5KUSD in total sans shipping sweat.gif

If just the s300 board, cheap cheap lah. since it's v1, not v2 model, but right now I cannot afford AEM V2 yet as a set (the options are Harness for staged injection and COP kit)
Which is why I think I'll stick with my hondata a while yet.


Added on November 14, 2012, 3:48 pm
QUOTE(ferio94eg9 @ Nov 14 2012, 10:01 AM)
Budget around 2.5K-3.5K all in. (installation, tuning n dyno)..... u'r planning to get AEM v2 for your Turbo Killer?
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Turbo Killer? Roadkill Killer ada lah. Unfortunately I am surrounded by peeps with 350-700hp atw, so my car doesn't really feel fast at all. hahaha.

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