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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2011, Chelsea 1- 2 Liverpool - Maxi+Johnson!

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post Nov 10 2011, 09:53 PM

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henderson is a good player.. but played in in wrong position.... tho he played as RM at Sunderland..
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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...of-cup-tie-date

I see that kenny is very brave to blast the whole fa,sky sports and league cup touchebags.

He takes no shit from anyone.Thats the way to go king!
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chill out guys..KK know what he is doing..keep your faith..this is football..
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Blah blah blah blah...idiots keep amusing me in this thread - its like a dollar for a dime - tit for tat - ppls have mata, we shuld have gone for mata gelap - ppl have this, we should have that....when can true liverpool supporter truly appreciate and be grateful that we finally spent 100 million - 1) a statement of intent to challenge for top 4. 2) Getting 2-3 players below 25 yrs barring Downing 3) We won against MU by capturing henderson during transfer 4) After getting talented youngsters only to find some supporters clamouring for Maxi - tot i heard maxi is not liverpool quality- tot i heard kuyt has poor 1st touch, cant score..balh blah blah - i support playing newbie by giving them play time, am not too sure maxi can make much difference - given he dont have pace and not noted as prolific scorer- it is scoring that we are lacking right now - how maxi can help, i really dunno...how kuyt can help - i am just as puzzle??????

With just 100 million spent by Reds, we are expected to challenge this and that - MC can spent over 500million and have to wait for 2-3 yrs before they are consider top 4 quality - the figures dont add up - wake up...we need to spent another 50million at least - to be consider as genuine consistent challenger
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QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 10 2011, 09:29 PM)
shake head no no to over valuation and overpaying $ for some players...

this is not about whether we are on the right path. of course we can see things off the pitch are getting right.

why didnt we spent the cash on juan mata, for example? 20m plus minus. downing or mata? why downing? downing have better stats than mata? downing tried and tested in the PL?

i'm glad we are spending the extraordinary, but the targets are just too ordinary. why no one question the wasteful spending? so is this the liverpool way?

why were we wiling to spend almost 100m? do you believe we dont aim for short term success with such amount of spending in such a short time? is this the way to build the future? spending carefully and wisely is the key to any investment policy. yet we have seen a panic spending of 35m overnight. we do have some really wise financial advisors and economists
Are you sure we never made an inquiry? Also, do you reckon he'd leave a team who qualified for Europe for one who isn't in it altogether? Why Downing? Why not? Were you totally against the idea at the time we wanted to sign him or only now that he isn't setting the world alight? Would Mata have settled into English football? Would he have settled to life in England? Would he pack his bags and leave if we don't qualify for the Champions League again? Yes, British players however overpriced, are a safer bet when it comes to adaptability. For every successful foreigner there is a Fernando Morientes, Andrei Shevchenko or Juan Sebastian Veron. It's also been said before that managers from a particular region prefer to work with players from that region.


We spent a lot but what is the average age of the players we've spent on? Buying young players isn't an indication of our intent to look to the future? Perhaps you need to be reminded that we have a wage structure and the focus is on young players hence why we didn't add to the salary of Meireles. I disagree that Carroll was a panic buy, it was a statement of intent by the owners, that they would spend money if they deemed it necessarily and would not do so foolishly. It was timely as well as fans were skeptical after Tom and Jerry promised much and spent nothing out of their own pockets, loading us with debt instead. Read between the lines. We got 50 for Torress and at the time Carroll was in fine form and I still have high hopes for him. So easy to criticize when results are less than satisfactory. Who not spend more time finding answers to your own questions? I think we owe it to the manager, the club and the players to understand and empathize rather than to criticize, no?
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QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 10 2011, 09:29 PM)
shake head no no to over valuation and overpaying $ for some players...

this is not about whether we are on the right path. of course we can see things off the pitch are getting right.

why didnt we spent the cash on juan mata, for example? 20m plus minus. downing or mata? why downing? downing have better stats than mata? downing tried and tested in the PL?

i'm glad we are spending the extraordinary, but the targets are just too ordinary. why no one question the wasteful spending? so is this the liverpool way?

why were we wiling to spend almost 100m? do you believe we dont aim for short term success with such amount of spending in such a short time? is this the way to build the future? spending carefully and wisely is the key to any investment policy. yet we have seen a panic spending of 35m overnight. we do have some really wise financial advisors and economists
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well explained by Duke , we still need the player to agree to move here and I wont blame mata if he choose chelsea over liverpool , they have a better offer in term of money and CL football. For now we know he is good but if you ask me 3 months ago , I will still choose Downing over him. There are so many foreigner players that failed to adapt to lifestyle in UK including Sheva , Veron , Mascherano . We dont know when Mata's wife will complaint about the life in UK but in Downing and Henderson , we already have player that suit to this league and what they have to do is focus on training and football.

QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 10 2011, 09:43 PM)
can we just rest henderson and downing for a few games? probably skrtel too

if players perform, keep them on the pitch. if not, give way to others.
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I agree with you on this suggestion.Downing is start feeling the pressure now and I think we should rest him for few matches and sub him out against a tired opponents. With his run I think he can make effects against tired opponents. As for Henderson , he has the skills and good energy but still too young , hope he can learn more from our captain.
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hmm.. still bitter about downing over mata? following your logic, all the best player definitely come to us after we met their club asking price eventhough we didnt qualify for CL or Europa league. come on, be real a bit. it's not FM.

i think most liverpool fans not expecting we gonna win the league this season or probably the next one. top four is a possibility and as far as i can see, we are not off track yet. the race for top 4 still on.
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mata was just an example. of course, since we dont have CL football, we lost the appeal factor to a lot of players. shows that in order to attract top players, you need to be a top club. even youngsters also nowadays know how to choose their clubs. with the money spent by our top rivals, its probably seem necessary to the owners that we also need to spend to be successful.

i am too aware of the morientes, veron etc etc case. but lets be frank. if they dont perform, how much resale value do they have? how much are downing and carroll now probably worth? of course, the argument will always be = we may never know. top players could be crap, crap players could turn out good.

the manner of which the signing of carroll was explained did suggest it being a panic buy. as torres handed in the request on the 11th hour, there was an urgent need to find a replacement. this is a fact. hence newcastle were able to get what they got. who would have spent 35m on a player of his age? how many players in the world that are same age with carroll commands such money? probably a few, just the exceptional few. this is why i suggested that we did not have the advantage in the deal and was forced to pay inflated price for him. no matter what KD or the owners said, its a crazy price. 35m is almost enough to get us a much proven player (same age) elsewhere.

which is also why i question the kind of spending on downing, a player not worth 20m in my books. the kind of money could have landed us players like young or agbonlahor

we are trapped in our own obsession with english players, when we had so many youngsters worth their place in the squad and on the field for the sake of rebuilding, youth policy or whatever we like to call it...

we are so contradicting ourselves

King Kenny is human. he wont be always right so dont defend him like he is

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Here's my take on the signing of Carroll. We didn't pay for Carroll, Chelsea did. Torres's fee was whatever Carroll's fee was plus 15mil. We held as long as we could before finally deciding to let Torres go and the deal was only made possible because Carroll agreed to come to us. We were also scouting Llorento at that time too but with only days to secure a deal, a foreign target was simply too difficult to conclude. Suarez deal took almost the entire month worth of negotiation, ditto Charlie Adam who we failed to secure.

Personally, i don't think it was that bad of a signing. Carroll looked comfortable in the Premier league; scoring goals and was even leading the score chart. Kenny wanted goals and he saw Carroll as a goal scorer and the stats wasn't lying as well.

Now you could say why didn't we just keep the money and wait till next summer ? Well at that time, we were still playing in Euro and were making the final push towards 4th, Kenny in his wisdom (and evidently justified) didn't fully believe Ngog could lead the line. In hindsight, he might as well had just waited till summer as we failed in Europe and ended up 7th. But who can blame Kenny for trying ? It was his duty to try and win a trophy and secure us the 4th place.
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QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 11 2011, 12:51 AM)
mata was just an example. of course, since we dont have CL football, we lost the appeal factor to a lot of players. shows that in order to attract top players, you need to be a top club. even youngsters also nowadays know how to choose their clubs. with the money spent by our top rivals, its probably seem necessary to the owners that we also need to spend to be successful.

i am too aware of the morientes, veron etc etc case. but lets be frank. if they dont perform, how much resale value do they have? how much are downing and carroll now probably worth? of course, the argument will always be = we may never know. top players could be crap, crap players could turn out good.

the manner of which the signing of carroll was explained did suggest it being a panic buy. as torres handed in the request on the 11th hour, there was an urgent need to find a replacement. this is a fact. hence newcastle were able to get what they got. who would have spent 35m on a player of his age? how many players in the world that are same age with carroll commands such money? probably a few, just the exceptional few. this is why i suggested that we did not have the advantage in the deal and was forced to pay inflated price for him. no matter what KD or the owners said, its a crazy price. 35m is almost enough to get us a much proven player (same age) elsewhere.

which is also why i question the kind of spending on downing, a player not worth 20m in my books. the kind of money could have landed us players like young or agbonlahor

we are trapped in our own obsession with english players, when we had so many youngsters worth their place in the squad and on the field for the sake of rebuilding, youth policy or whatever we like to call it...

we are so contradicting ourselves

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agreed, we spend 35mil on Carrol was totally out of desperation and since we bought Carroll we gotta make use of him so we bought "so-called" best cross-ers Downing and Adam to feed him.. but we seen it and it doesnt always work. But of course we dont know whats going on from the inside or what are they trying to do.

I am really impress with Arsenal signed 28 years old Arteta for only 10mil for me just for me i think he is so much better than a 26 years old Adam.
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QUOTE(kevafk @ Nov 11 2011, 01:52 AM)
agreed, we spend 35mil on Carrol was totally out of desperation and since we bought Carroll we gotta make use of him so we bought "so-called" best cross-ers Downing and Adam to feed him.. but we seen it and it doesnt always work. But of course we dont know whats going on from the inside or what are they trying to do.

I am really impress with Arsenal signed 28 years old Arteta for only 10mil for me just for me i think he is so much better than a 26 years old Adam.
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Well we already bought Carroll so this forced our hand a bit. I think it was the correct decision to complement the purchase by getting someone who could feed him. The problem now is the lack of contingency plan, if Adam don't work out there's no one else to come in and do the job. There's Gerrard but he's out injured. Spearing isnt the playmaker we need but i think he may soon be needed. If only we had not sent away a certain Italian midfielder.
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Any WWE fan here? Interesting read if ur a WWE fan supporting Liverpool..

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...his-sights.html
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QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 11 2011, 12:51 AM)
mata was just an example. of course, since we dont have CL football, we lost the appeal factor to a lot of players. shows that in order to attract top players, you need to be a top club. even youngsters also nowadays know how to choose their clubs. with the money spent by our top rivals, its probably seem necessary to the owners that we also need to spend to be successful.

i am too aware of the morientes, veron etc etc case. but lets be frank. if they dont perform, how much resale value do they have? how much are downing and carroll now probably worth? of course, the argument will always be = we may never know. top players could be crap, crap players could turn out good.

the manner of which the signing of carroll was explained did suggest it being a panic buy. as torres handed in the request on the 11th hour, there was an urgent need to find a replacement. this is a fact. hence newcastle were able to get what they got. who would have spent 35m on a player of his age? how many players in the world that are same age with carroll commands such money? probably a few, just the exceptional few. this is why i suggested that we did not have the advantage in the deal and was forced to pay inflated price for him. no matter what KD or the owners said, its a crazy price. 35m is almost enough to get us a much proven player (same age) elsewhere.

which is also why i question the kind of spending on downing, a player not worth 20m in my books. the kind of money could have landed us players like young or agbonlahor

we are trapped in our own obsession with english players, when we had so many youngsters worth their place in the squad and on the field for the sake of rebuilding, youth policy or whatever we like to call it...

we are so contradicting ourselves

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I see so we totally forget the fact that there were already reports of our interest in Carroll prior to signing him? You are free to see it however which way you want but rest assured that not everything is as it seems and learning to read between the lines helps you see things other people don't. If you think someone as intelligent as John Henry would spend that amount of money foolishly and condone Kenny'a request to do as he wishes with his money, then maybe the owner we have and the one we read about isn't the same person. John Henry did the same thing when his consortium first bought the Red Sox but bear in mind that it was easier to reap the rewards almost instantly in a league which tries to be fair to all teams with salary caps and player drafts being practiced. He isn't afforded the same luxury in football which is why he says the transition will take time.

Plus I will defend King Kenny because I have faith in him and he's only been in charge for such a short time with the players he's wanted. Oh and the fact that he is a legend to all of is does carry some weight in Merseyside I hope. Yes sometimes we do have to put sentiment aside but that time has yet to come and I'm firmly behind a man who is Liverpool through and through just as I am behind players who give their all despite not being incredibly gifted e.g. Carra, Biscan, Camara, Meijer and so on.


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QUOTE(dxjb @ Nov 11 2011, 03:28 AM)
Any WWE fan here? Interesting read if ur a WWE fan supporting Liverpool..

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...his-sights.html
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Used to follow when The Rock reigned supreme but not anymore. Anyway, best not to copy any article from that publication here smile.gif


Added on November 11, 2011, 8:12 amI'm a big fan of Martin Kelly and I'm happy he's scored for the England U-21's. I was pretty vocal back then about him being nominated for young player of the year but alas, he had to contend with other more illustrious names like Mario Balotteli, Gareth Bale and Jack Wilshere amongst others. I tipped him for an England spot by the end of this season, providing he stays healthy but it's just become tougher for him with the emergence of Tottenham's Kyle Walker. Keep up his good form and it could even be Glenn Johnson who makes way for him for both club and country.

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chelsea and liverpool. torres and carroll. so far as it seems, two clubs with foolish spending reaping foolish rewards.

we got lucky with selling torres for 50m but too hastily spent the money. i hope i'm proven wrong regarding carroll. wish so.

remember 'in rafa we trust'? how long did it take for the fans to turn on him and he became one of the few managers we sack for a long time? i'm not suggesting KK = rafa. i just talk what i see
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apart from that, martin kelly scored for england U21 against iceland. LOL
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QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 11 2011, 08:15 AM)
chelsea and liverpool. torres and carroll. so far as it seems, two clubs with foolish spending reaping foolish rewards.

we got lucky with selling torres for 50m but too hastily spent the money. i hope i'm proven wrong regarding carroll. wish so.

remember 'in rafa we trust'? how long did it take for the fans to turn on him and he became one of the few managers we sack for a long time? i'm not suggesting KK = rafa. i just talk what i see
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Winning the Champions League in his first season meant he had the luxury of time. It wasn't that he lost the fans, it was that he lost the loyalty of his players and that he was constantly complaining about not having good enough players. To his credit he was working under trying circumstances with stingy owners. In the end though he was given 5 years, a fair amount of time given that Houllier before him was given 6. I don't think fans will ever turn on Kenny. We may at some point concede that he hasn't what it takes but we will never ever vilify him. We just aren't like that. We live in the past remember (sarcastic remark aimed at our rivals), and we will always remember his deeds for us as a player and as a manager in the 80's. It's what sets us apart, that a player or manager isn't only as good as his last game. Any of your friends talk about Gary Neville anymore? I hope Carra won't be a thing of the past when he retires.

Sometimes you have to take gambles and Carroll is still very much a gamble. Successful businessmen like John Henry are where they are because they are decisive and they act quickly. You do need to take risks, but calculated ones and given the amount we received for Torres, Carroll was a risk we could and still can afford. By acting swiftly Henry has proven to us fans that he meant what he said when he claimed he would spend if it was worth spending, unlike our previous owners. He has my respect so far as I'm sure he has the respect of many other fans. He doesn't say much but when he does, he acts. A far cry from the two cowboys who were extremely liberal with claims of a new stadium with a new Kop, big name players and so on. There is little point in regretting what has been, and worrying about what will be. What's matters is what we do now that we are where we currently are? Hindsight is always 20/20.

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Dalglish angered by schedule

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Kenny Dalglish has attacked the "disgraceful" scheduling headache that has left Liverpool playing their Carling Cup quarter-final against Chelsea just 48 hours after their Premier League clash with Manchester City.

The Metropolitan Police has advised against Chelsea hosting the Carling Cup tie on Wednesday November 30 on account of a Trade Unions Congress rally in the capital that day. The fixture has been moved forward to Tuesday November 29, two days after Liverpool host the Premier League leaders.

"It is disgraceful in this day and age that players are being asked to play a key Premier League game and then a League Cup quarter-final in London just 48 hours later," Dalglish told the club's official website.

"It's understandable with the Spurs v PAOK Salonika match and the TUC rally that the Met Police have said that our game cannot be played on the Wednesday. But it's surely the duty of the football authorities to think of other solutions which consider the welfare of the players and this clearly hasn't happened."

Dalglish expressed his sympathy for City, who will find themselves in the same position as they face Arsenal two days after their trip to Anfield and who, like Liverpool, have fielded strong teams in the competition when other sides have used it as an opportunity to rest first-team players.

"Here you have two clubs who have treated this competition with the utmost respect over the years and they are being treated like this," Dalglish said. "I'd be interested to know what the sponsors think of the situation and what it does for the reputation of the competition."

Dalglish also attacked the football authorities for scheduling the quarter-final ties in a week featuring Europa League action.

"It seems totally irresponsible as well that the quarter-finals are scheduled in the same week as Europa League games," he said. "If Stoke had beaten us in the last round and were through to face Chelsea then the tie gets rescheduled for another date - it's as simple as that. But when we ask the Football League to move our game to a later date, we're told it's impossible.

"Where's the logic in that? What would have happened if all four of the English clubs playing in the Europa League had got through to the quarter-finals?"

The Liverpool manager also warned Reds fans that he might be forced to field a weakened side for the Chelsea match.

"If the Football League want to devalue their own competition, that's up to them, but they shouldn't then be upset if people use these games to help in the development of young players.

"The one thing I will say to our fans is to think carefully before buying tickets for the League Cup game because we do not want them spending their money and then we decide there is no other option but to use only young players in the tie."


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QUOTE(dxjb @ Nov 11 2011, 03:28 AM)
Any WWE fan here? Interesting read if ur a WWE fan supporting Liverpool..

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...his-sights.html
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interesting read but I read it from another sources tongue.gif

for more info why we dont like the sun

http://dontbuythesun.co.uk/site/
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"The one thing I will say to our fans is to think carefully before buying tickets for the League Cup game because we do not want them spending their money and then we decide there is no other option but to use only young players in the tie."

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QUOTE(dxjb @ Nov 11 2011, 03:28 AM)
Any WWE fan here? Interesting read if ur a WWE fan supporting Liverpool..

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...his-sights.html
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i posted this b4,nvm.

any more transfer rumours? drool.gif drool.gif

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