QUOTE(azsace @ Mar 27 2013, 06:28 PM)
It is along the main road. At the right side if you come from selangor. Not difficult to spot.Solar Power Generation, for home use/sell back to tnb
Solar Power Generation, for home use/sell back to tnb
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Mar 28 2013, 09:22 AM
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Mar 28 2013, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Mar 28 2013, 08:58 AM) I have been doing a survey and I think the following is worth commenting; Try to read this whole thread from beginning. And you know is it worth to invest. - it's profitable to home owner because SEDA / TNB buys at RM1+ per kwh from the house owner. In comparison, we buy electricity from TNB at 22sen+ per kwh. A lot of subsidy. - installers in Malaysia use between 3.0 to 3.4 hours of (effective) sunlight for their calculation. It depends on the lumens / brightness of the sun. There is a website for a solar installation in malacca which publishes monthly data, and it fits the figures I described above. - overall, it's profitable if; + you get good guarantee and maintenance and warranty. Make sure you buy a "Toyota" quality for "perodua" price and not the other way around. That is a skill, and important especially when the big solar manufacturers are going bust. So what if you have the best warranty but the manufacturer go bust. + some basic maintenance to maintain output. Regular cleaning etc. + cheap debt will boost the return on investment significantly. Good luck ! You didn't do the calculation properly. |
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Mar 28 2013, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Mar 28 2013, 09:14 AM) I have also looked at degradation (drop in output per annum) in some detail. Most of the empirical testing is under ideal condition; cool and bright eg dessert. Solar panel need clear sky and cool weather to get the max efficiency. Malaysia is cloudy and hot which will reduce the panel efficiency.Malaysia is not ideal. Bright but humid. Electrical equipment hates humidity. I have not come across any empirical study of degradation on energy output over say 10 to 20 years in a Malaysia like environment. My fear is that a lot of the performance guarantee (10% drop within 10 years) may be optimistic. Any one can assist ? But it is still better than some north country which have less sun hour perday. Solar panel is still pretty new and there is no record of how long it can last. Those pioneer is pretty close to 20yrs. All those guarantee is just paper guarantee and no real life test. |
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Mar 28 2013, 01:28 PM
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I did say its profitable which means its worth investing ....
Just need to be careful.... |
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Mar 28 2013, 04:11 PM
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i read somewhere:
the F-I-T was RM1.74 starting Dec 2011 for 21 years with a 8% degression meaning the money we sell the electricity every year will be reducing rite? am i rite? |
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Mar 28 2013, 05:49 PM
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not correct.
- once you sign, the rate is fixed for 21 years. - those who sign later, will have lower rates. But once signed, its fixed for 21 years. - the degression has already kicked in. check SEDA website for update. definitely lower than the figure you mentioned. |
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Mar 29 2013, 09:27 AM
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Mar 31 2013, 02:43 PM
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Does anyone know who are the more reputable installers... Need a quotation for my house....
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Apr 1 2013, 09:21 AM
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FYI, my PV system installed in Dec 2012, up to now, performance in Jan & Feb is slightly below expectation (3.25kWh/kW) and Mac is much better (+/-4.2kWh/kW)
Cloud and rain are part of our climate. We have to live with them. My system best performance day is 5.2kWh/kW which is a day without rain and little cloud shading. Definitely a hot day |
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Apr 1 2013, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 09:21 AM) FYI, my PV system installed in Dec 2012, up to now, performance in Jan & Feb is slightly below expectation (3.25kWh/kW) and Mac is much better (+/-4.2kWh/kW) This yrs estimate to be rainy yrs. Yield would be much more lower.Cloud and rain are part of our climate. We have to live with them. My system best performance day is 5.2kWh/kW which is a day without rain and little cloud shading. Definitely a hot day |
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Apr 1 2013, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 09:21 AM) FYI, my PV system installed in Dec 2012, up to now, performance in Jan & Feb is slightly below expectation (3.25kWh/kW) and Mac is much better (+/-4.2kWh/kW) What is your PV rated to generate? <At max>Cloud and rain are part of our climate. We have to live with them. My system best performance day is 5.2kWh/kW which is a day without rain and little cloud shading. Definitely a hot day |
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Apr 1 2013, 10:58 AM
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Apr 1 2013, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 1 2013, 09:50 AM) Agreed, this year is expected to be wet. I found another factor which is important. The distance between earth and sun. In Malaysia, Mac and Sept are the period which the closest distance and June and Dec are the further distance. In Mac, even rain started in 3pm, the generation still can easily reached above 3.5kWh/kW. Where in Dec, this will sure below 3kWh/kW. The radiation from sun is very critical and even can offset the rain effect. |
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Apr 1 2013, 11:23 AM
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Apr 1 2013, 11:29 AM
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Apr 1 2013, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 11:05 AM) Agreed, this year is expected to be wet. From what i have learn, it is not distance between earth and sun. But rather the pole rotation half yrs sun position between north and south. Our sun shine on us is changing between north and south for half yrs. If you hang your cloth under the sun, observe the east shadow and light in the morning. I found another factor which is important. The distance between earth and sun. In Malaysia, Mac and Sept are the period which the closest distance and June and Dec are the further distance. In Mac, even rain started in 3pm, the generation still can easily reached above 3.5kWh/kW. Where in Dec, this will sure below 3kWh/kW. The radiation from sun is very critical and even can offset the rain effect. All the installer recommend to install face to south the panel. Cause later half the yrs, the sun would be at the south. And raining season is mostly at the later yrs. If face north, the panel will receive less sun + monsoon = very low output. This is apply to the solar heater too. |
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Apr 1 2013, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Apr 1 2013, 11:29 AM) Look like the yield is about 55-65% on average. Look like you still have to pay about RM 50+- for electric bill after contra off. What do you mean by 55-65%?My system is 7.7kW capacity. With estimation 3.5kWh/kW, my system supposed to generate 27kWh. In Mac, most day generation is exceeding 27kWh Electric bill? Feed in tariff has nothing to do with electric bill. We get payment from generation regardless what we consume. |
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Apr 1 2013, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 1 2013, 11:23 AM) All depends on how much generation you expected, the expectation range is from 3-3.8kWh/kW. This will take as annual average value. My system only running for 3 months. For me, if the generation is higher than 3.5kWh/kW is consider fine. Generation higher than 4.0kWh/kW is good. In Malaysia, generation beyond 6kWh/kW is almost impossible. The good place will be northern peninsular, which near to Thai border. There has less rain and can generate more electricity. A Penang system always better than mine. |
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Apr 1 2013, 01:43 PM
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How to install on the flat?
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Apr 1 2013, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 1 2013, 11:37 AM) From what i have learn, it is not distance between earth and sun. But rather the pole rotation half yrs sun position between north and south. Our sun shine on us is changing between north and south for half yrs. If you hang your cloth under the sun, observe the east shadow and light in the morning. You are correct but not complete. Yours + mine will be complete answer.All the installer recommend to install face to south the panel. Cause later half the yrs, the sun would be at the south. And raining season is mostly at the later yrs. If face north, the panel will receive less sun + monsoon = very low output. This is apply to the solar heater too. Earth is orbiting by oval shape path. So, distance between earth and sun is not constant. Reason for south facing panel is because we are in northern hemisphere (even just 3 degree only). My panels are facing south and north. The south facing panels always generate more than north facing. In Dec, the different is around 15%. In Mac, the different reduce to 5-10%. |
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