I have just bought a subsale house fitted with pv. Does anyone know if the original tnb agreement can be transferred to new owner?

I guess no 1 here sell it in open market. As the market is still small.

Maybe can get it from some pv installer. But it won't be cheap. And the size min is 4kw.

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Added on October 4, 2012, 8:23 amI ask the installer before. They said it is transfer able as the pv is under the property name.

This post has been edited by ozak: Oct 4 2012, 08:23 AM

It is transferable but need to be done by previous Renewable Energy Power Purchasing Agreement owner.
The owner has to apply through SEDA.

U untung la! Got the REPPA from house owner, without paying for installation and applying quota

Did the owner sell the house with higher price?

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Added on October 4, 2012, 8:49 amAll brands I mentioned in previous post are suitable to FIT installation. These inverter have to meet CE, UL and TUV standard and widely use in Euro, Aus and US

Price wise? 4kW grid tie inverter cost around RM5k. I believed SMA will be higher and China brand will be cheaper
1-2kW grid tie inverter also available but less popular bcoz in Msia, ppl install 4kW PV system

This ebay inverter is more suitable for hobby use.

This post has been edited by avereng: Oct 4 2012, 08:49 AM

thanks, was thinking of running a 1kw system to 'try' first. Cause SEDA FIT have quota i heard, they might not accept me. So it's more like own use to save abit and POC now. Once confirm they accept, then I will go 4kw


This post has been edited by Infinity: Oct 4 2012, 03:11 PM

If you're interested in FIT, I advise you to apply NOW. Quota is still available for 2012 and 2013.
BTW, as suggest by SEDA, you need apply through certified contractor. Some doc need certification from certified civil engineer and ISPQ engineer.

[quote=avereng,Oct 4 2012, 08:43 AM]
It is transferable but need to be done by previous Renewable Energy Power Purchasing Agreement owner.
The owner has to apply through SEDA.
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Thank you for your advise. Better get the owner to do preparation of transfer early. Otherwise he might take his own sweet time after hand over and still get money since still under his name.

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U untung la! Got the REPPA from house owner, without paying for installation and applying quota

Did the owner sell the house with higher price?
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I dont think got untung. Owner already factor price of pv into selling price. Maybe owner factor in more than he originally paid for the pv as selling price of property is much higher than than his original purchase price. In this case owner untung I rugi

[quote=phanghy,Oct 5 2012, 03:53 AM]
Thank you for your advise. Better get the owner to do preparation of transfer early. Otherwise he might take his own sweet time after hand over and still get money since still under his name.

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U untung la! Got the REPPA from house owner, without paying for installation and applying quota

Did the owner sell the house with higher price?
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I dont think got untung. Owner already factor price of pv into selling price. Maybe owner factor in more than he originally paid for the pv as selling price of property is much higher than than his original purchase price. In this case owner untung I rugi

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I hope your house SPA still in lawyer processing, make sure the name transfer completed before you release payment.

BTW, what is your system capacity? This will decide your monthly income from PV system?
You can calculated the remaining 'return' from FIT REPPA.

Fit is not like what you thing can DIY. You can't do anything yourself, but everything got to go through installer. Which is not cheap.

Ozak, you are right
FIT cannot DIY because plenty of design and doc need certified by competence engineer.
ISPQ, civil engineer and charge man.

This house is fitted with a 4kw pv. You have mentioned earlier that such pv will get approx RM600/month.
Cannot understand ".... calculate remaining 'return' from FIT REPPA". Anyway looks like both of us is looking at december to get our first return.

I don't know when is your system Commercial Operation Date (COD)? COD is the date your system generation start to have payment. REPPA 21 yrs contract start from COD. The remaining return of your system should be Date of Transfer Ownership till REPPA end.

For example: REPPA COD is 1 June 2012. REPPA end at 31 May 2033 (21 yrs from COD). Transfer Ownership at 1 Sep 2012.
The remaining return period will be from 1 Sep 2012 till 31 May 2033 = 20 yrs and 9 mths = 249 mths
The remaining possible return is 249mth x RM600/mth

Wow Estimate the COD date for original owner is January 2012. Then assume transfer ownership in December 2012. Does this mean I will receive payment for 20 years X 12 months X RM600=RM144,000

This of course does not take into consideration the decreasing rate paid by TNB every year, the required change of inverter every xx years, the regular cleaning of the pv cell required to generate optimun return and .......... suddenly the return for the capital of RM40-50K does not sound so good anymore. Anyway we should always look at the pv system more on the green side of it rather purely on return of investment. Anyway I do not think anyone will lose out except they must be prepared to a pay substantial sum initially.

Wish you good return for your installation. As for me, I do not want to think on the "extra" amount I have paid for the pv due to the very much higher price I have paid for the house but rather I would just take that the pv is a "bonus" that comes with the house and the future payment that I will receive as a very small discount that I will get.

Some corrections for you. The rate paid by TNB is sealed by REPPA for 21 yrs. The rate is CONSTANT for 21 years. That's what make FIT attractive

Cleaning panel... u can DIY with high pressure pump or hire Indonesian to do.

Inverter cost around RM5k for US brand. U can opt to increase warranty to 10yrs with some fees.

Rm600 is it guaranteed or just the calculation?

Panasonic is having a Forum about Solar today.
http://www.panasonic.com.my/ecoforum/

10 October 2012 (Wednesday)
12:30PM Registrations
1:00PM Lunch
2:00PM – 4:00PM Forum
4:30PM End



Convention Hall 1, Level 3,
Kuala Lumpur Convention Centre (KLCC),
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

The buy back price is guaranteed.
The generation is forecast, depends on the weather and how you maintain the system

Highly doubt can achieve 600 per month unless is very very big panel.

[attachmentid=3093235]I have found FIT rates that decrease with each year from the SEDA website. Does this means
1) The rate paid will decrease with each year or
2) The rate indicated is the rate paid (for 21 years) depending on the year of installation
eg. owner will be paid RM1.23/KWh for 21 years if installed in 2012 and
owner will be paid RM1.0411/KWh for 21 years if installed in 2014
If (2) is the correct answer then anyone who is interested to go ahead to install the BIPV is advised to do it sooner than later!

Sorry. Do not know how to attach picture to show SEDA's FIT rate. Anyway this is the link to another website which has a link to show the feed in tarriff (FIT) in SEDA's website
http://solarpower-mart.com/bipv/feed_in_tariff

From the same website:

Easy calculations for system size and cost:

If you know your average kwh/day or know how many kwh/day you would like to produce, a simple calculation will determine system size and cost.

System size in kilowatts (kw) = (kwh/day) / 4 hours (peak sun) x 1.43 (system losses)
Step 1: Divide average kwh/day by number of hours of peak sun, or (kwh/ay) / 4
Step 2: Multiply by 1.43 to account for system losses due to friction, heat, and other inefficiencies.

Example: What size system is needed to produce 20kwh/day?

20kwh/4h = 5kw
5kw x 1.43= 7.15kw
7.15kw = system size to produce 20kwh/day assuming 4 peak sun hours (11am to 3pm).


Making it in reversed, since we mention 4KW panel,
(4KW / 1.43) x 4 hours = 11.2KW, that is about RM 12.6 per day. about RM 380 per month. About RM 91k for 20 years.

This provided good sunshine all year yound, and no equipment faulty.

No.2 is correct. If you install in 2012, the rate is rm1.23/kwh. And the contract seal this rate for 21yrs.