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silasya77
post Sep 26 2013, 06:12 PM

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After getting heavier on the deadlift I noticed my chest starts squeezing during the movement. Sometimes it really hurts and I'd like some advice on whether there is anything wrong with this ?
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post Sep 29 2013, 06:06 PM

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Does the bar counted as well?
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post Oct 5 2013, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Oct 5 2013, 04:37 PM)
Does the bar counted as well?
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QUOTE(razorboy @ Oct 5 2013, 05:44 PM)
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How much is the weight of the bar? 45lbs? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Amedion @ Oct 5 2013, 06:15 PM)
How much is the weight of the bar? 45lbs?  smile.gif
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Depends on your bar, Standard Olympic bars are 45lbs but different gyms provide different bars.

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post Oct 6 2013, 10:09 PM

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Guys, i do deadlifts & squats with dumbells coz my company gym doesnt have barbells sad.gif

To me, the ordinary deadlifts with dumbells just replicates squats.. Like, i cant see big difference; only dl carries dumbells at the front and squats from sides.. So ive been doing romanian deadlifts instead. Any sifu can tell whats the pro/con of RDL vs the conventional one? With RDL stiff-legged posture i think the stress will go more on the lower back part? And actually with deadlifts does it increase the size of waist(which i hope it does)?
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post Oct 7 2013, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(silasya77 @ Sep 26 2013, 06:12 PM)
After getting heavier on the deadlift I noticed my chest starts squeezing during the movement. Sometimes it really hurts and I'd like some advice on whether there is anything wrong with this ?
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IMHO, and at a noobs perspective, your previous weights wasnt heavy enough for your body to start recruiting your chest muscles. your lats were more than enough to do the job. However, once it got past that, your shoulders starts to droop forward as your lats couldnt hold it back. your body automatically squeezes the chest to support your back to keep it straight.

again, its just an opinion, i dont have a vid to look at, and tbh there are lots of things that could have happened other than what i mentioned. a vid might be of more help

QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Oct 6 2013, 10:09 PM)
Guys, i do deadlifts & squats with dumbells coz my company gym doesnt have barbells sad.gif

To me, the ordinary deadlifts with dumbells just replicates squats.. Like, i cant see big difference; only dl carries dumbells at the front and squats from sides.. So ive been doing romanian deadlifts instead. Any sifu can tell whats the pro/con of RDL vs the conventional one? With RDL stiff-legged posture i think the stress will go more on the lower back part? And actually with deadlifts does it increase the size of waist(which i hope it does)?
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RDL's when done right would affect your hamstring more, and lower back. there arent any pro/cons to compare one exercise to another, as they are done for different purposes. as in case of conventional, its more of a back exercise, and RDL is for hamstrings.

as for dumbbells DL, im not sure how similar it is to a squat as ive never done it before, so i cant really comment. will give it a go in my next session and get back to you. however, i dont think using db's for DL is a good idea as the DB's would automatically go to the sides once it lifts off. maybe emulate a trap bar DL and place your DBs at the sides instead?
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post Oct 8 2013, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Oct 7 2013, 02:28 AM)
IMHO, and at a noobs perspective, your previous weights wasnt heavy enough for your body to start recruiting your chest muscles. your lats were more than enough to do the job. However, once it got past that, your shoulders starts to droop forward as your lats couldnt hold it back. your body automatically squeezes the chest to support your back to keep it straight.

again, its just an opinion, i dont have a vid to look at, and tbh there are lots of things that could have happened other than what i mentioned. a vid might be of more help

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Hmm. Guess you've got a point, but I did use to recruit my chest quite a bit. The part about the lats and shoulders not being strong enough is probably true tho. That and I think my form was just breaking down. The pain in my chest was far more than just recruitment I'd say. More like a strain. Experienced it again yesterday with 265 on my 5th/final rep. Thrilled that I got that through though regardless. Four reps with relatively great form was an achievement. New PR, no matter how unimpressive to the more experienced. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 9 2013, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(silasya77 @ Oct 8 2013, 09:11 PM)
Hmm. Guess you've got a point, but I did use to recruit my chest quite a bit. The part about the lats and shoulders not being strong enough is probably true tho. That and I think my form was just breaking down. The pain in my chest was far more than just recruitment I'd say. More like a strain. Experienced it again yesterday with 265 on my 5th/final rep. Thrilled that I got that through though regardless. Four reps with relatively great form was an achievement. New PR, no matter how unimpressive to the more experienced. biggrin.gif
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No surprises there. Form breakdown is pretty norm when you chase prs. You should analyse which part of the lift your form broke down on and do some assistance work. Very often fixing the weak link translates to consistent pr breaking lifts

Gratz on your new pr!


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post Nov 3 2013, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Oct 9 2013, 01:01 PM)
No surprises there. Form breakdown is pretty norm when you chase prs. You should analyse which part of the lift your form broke down on and do some assistance work. Very often fixing the weak link translates to consistent pr breaking lifts

Gratz on your new pr!
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Thanks! Been doing hyperextensions and rope cable crunches to assist a wee bit. Also rear delt work. smile.gif

I deloaded and have been slowly going back up in weight. Attempting 265 again tomorrow.. we'll see how that goes.

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post Dec 13 2013, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(Maknusia @ Sep 29 2013, 06:06 PM)

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damn, chick deadlifting 405? She's swole as f***. That's my one rep max wub.gif
Oh wait those are not 45lbs plates..lmao still really f***ing impressive

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guys i have a question about butt wink. how do i solve it? i had butt wink everytime i squat, and i did heavy load last week my lower back hurts. butt wink is the rounding of lower back when approaching the bottom of the squat.
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Jan 10 2014, 10:02 AM)
guys i have a question about butt wink. how do i solve it? i had butt wink everytime i squat, and i did heavy load last week my lower back hurts. butt wink is the rounding of lower back when approaching the bottom of the squat.
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youtube Bryce Lewis Butt Wink
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Jan 10 2014, 10:02 AM)
guys i have a question about butt wink. how do i solve it? i had butt wink everytime i squat, and i did heavy load last week my lower back hurts. butt wink is the rounding of lower back when approaching the bottom of the squat.
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He's an elite powerlifter and he have butt wink too (shown at the end of the vid). I don't think it'll be much of a problem right?
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QUOTE(razorboy @ Jan 10 2014, 10:03 AM)
youtube Bryce Lewis Butt Wink
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thanks bro i will try it out myself. the vid is really helpful smile.gif hopefully it solves my buttwink problem.

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hmm i dont know, some ppl seem to live through it. but not me, my lower back suffered some needle pinch pain at certain position of sitting down or benting down, for 2 weeks sad.gif need to solve this problem as we all knwo its not the proper or ideal form.

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post Jan 11 2014, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Jan 10 2014, 10:02 AM)
guys i have a question about butt wink. how do i solve it? i had butt wink everytime i squat, and i did heavy load last week my lower back hurts. butt wink is the rounding of lower back when approaching the bottom of the squat.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1f6mk1aVuA

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post Feb 7 2014, 03:03 PM

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Hey guys, just wondering, is mark actually wrong or does this guy interprets it wrongly.
I've been using the hip dive for a couple of months now, after learning about it..



Was looking at mehdi's (stronglift dude) deadlift, hes also pretty high up, and not much of a hip dive.

But personally, i feel with the hip dive, it forces me to go down lower, both on squats and deadlifts, putting more pressure on my legs compared to my back..which IMO feels a lot safer and injury free.

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post Feb 7 2014, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(xDjWanNabex @ Feb 7 2014, 03:03 PM)
Hey guys, just wondering, is mark actually wrong or does this guy interprets it wrongly.
I've been using the hip dive for a couple of months now, after learning about it..



Was looking at mehdi's (stronglift dude) deadlift, hes also pretty high up, and not much of a hip dive.

But personally, i feel with the hip dive, it forces me to go down lower, both on squats and deadlifts, putting more pressure on my legs compared to my back..which IMO feels a lot safer and injury free.
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I think he made it pretty clear that he was simply recommending a different style of squat? Not really saying any which way was wrong.

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