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post Sep 5 2011, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(fansoption @ Sep 5 2011, 11:11 PM)
cool. take more. this pic using F10?
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Haha. Extremely close. F11. Sifu memang is sifu lah!


Guys wanna ask for all oof your opinions on Panhead & Ballhead tripod. I think everyone here uses Ballhead?
Thinking of switching to Panhead, but afraid I might regret. I dont like ball cause of few reasons.
1. My landscape pics always dont come out straight
2. Always almost drop my camera because when release didnt hold camera.
3. Pictures always come out senget one. Haha

Will Panhead be able to help?
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post Sep 6 2011, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(Newbieeeeee @ Sep 6 2011, 12:06 AM)
Haha. Extremely close. F11. Sifu memang is sifu lah!
Guys wanna ask for all oof your opinions on Panhead & Ballhead tripod. I think everyone here uses Ballhead?
Thinking of switching to Panhead, but afraid I might regret. I dont like ball cause of few reasons.
1. My landscape pics always dont come out straight
2. Always almost drop my camera because when release didnt hold camera.
3. Pictures always come out senget one. Haha

Will Panhead be able to help?
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What sifu? i not sifu lah. Well why u mushroom pic dun use F5.6 can more light and see more boookeh tongue.gif
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post Sep 6 2011, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(Newbieeeeee @ Sep 6 2011, 12:06 AM)
Haha. Extremely close. F11. Sifu memang is sifu lah!
Guys wanna ask for all oof your opinions on Panhead & Ballhead tripod. I think everyone here uses Ballhead?
Thinking of switching to Panhead, but afraid I might regret. I dont like ball cause of few reasons.
1. My landscape pics always dont come out straight
2. Always almost drop my camera because when release didnt hold camera.
3. Pictures always come out senget one. Haha

Will Panhead be able to help?
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Pan head doesnt guarantee str8 horizons too if your technique is wrong in the 1st place. I personally feel that ball heads are more versatile and easier to get it into position than pan head, one knob to lock and release compared to pan head's 3 way adjustments.

Your prob no.1 & 3 is easily overcome with careful alignment of the camera, or u can get a bubble level to be extra sure. But I usually use the focus dots inside the ovf to know if the shot is straight or not.

As for your no.2, a bit of being more careful of your gears will be enough, panheads will have the same issue too if you are still not careful when u use it.

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post Sep 6 2011, 08:59 AM

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Get a camera with a built in horizon level meter: problem solved. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 6 2011, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 6 2011, 08:59 AM)
Get a camera with a built in horizon level meter: problem solved. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 6 2011, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Sep 5 2011, 08:26 PM)
impossible, even is true, no lenses nex FF, unless get the adapter to A Mau tongue.gif
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i dont think sony will slip past any chances to produce FF nex...maybe there will release set of new FF lens...
and those new lenses Sony dint state that are specially for APSC oni... we will see...

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post Sep 6 2011, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Sep 6 2011, 11:59 AM)
i dont think sony will slip past any chances to produce FF nex...maybe there will release set of new FF lens...
and those new lenses Sony dint state that are specially for APSC oni... we will see...
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probably if they do make sure price go 1v1 with Leica digital RF biggrin.gif
p.s~ sony pls make 1 EVF-RF style so that neo_lam come back laugh.gif innocent.gif
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post Sep 6 2011, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Sep 6 2011, 11:59 AM)
i dont think sony will slip past any chances to produce FF nex...maybe there will release set of new FF lens...
and those new lenses Sony dint state that are specially for APSC oni... we will see...
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Nothing about e mount lens being FF or apsc lens, just that for now NEX sensor is based on apsc design.
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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Sep 6 2011, 11:59 AM)
i dont think sony will slip past any chances to produce FF nex...maybe there will release set of new FF lens...
and those new lenses Sony dint state that are specially for APSC oni... we will see...
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It's possible, there might be a likelihood, albeit low.

Btw, to some A77 testers out there, some people said, after 1 sec bursting, the buffer will be full and the cam will kinda shut down? Izzit true?

This post has been edited by chiahau: Sep 6 2011, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(mastering89 @ Sep 6 2011, 12:15 PM)
probably if they do make sure price go 1v1 with Leica digital RF  biggrin.gif
p.s~ sony pls make 1 EVF-RF style so that neo_lam come back  laugh.gif  innocent.gif
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lolz...if they out normal FF nex i also will consider...come on i still got NEX 5 i am still here...haha...
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post Sep 6 2011, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(mastering89 @ Sep 6 2011, 12:15 PM)
probably if they do make sure price go 1v1 with Leica digital RF  biggrin.gif
p.s~ sony pls make 1 EVF-RF style so that neo_lam come back  laugh.gif  innocent.gif
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He wont balik dah, obsess with his m6 now tongue.gif

QUOTE(chiahau @ Sep 6 2011, 12:16 PM)
It's possible, there might be a likelihood, albeit low.

Btw, to some A77 testers out there, some people said, after 1 sec bursting, the buffer will be full and the cam will kinda shut down? Izzit true?
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the buffer is still low same as a55, and i think it happen to all SD slot camera also
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QUOTE(Zicron @ Sep 6 2011, 12:21 PM)
He wont balik dah, obsess with his m6 now  tongue.gif
the buffer is still low same as a55, and i think it happen to all SD slot camera also
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If you are telling me that bursting 12fps in 24mpx RAW + JPEG can last only 1 sec, then its likely to annoy me off lol

But if at 12fps JPEG/RAW only, can it last longer?

SD card, even class 10 or extreme, expected already it will slow down but not till so drastic?
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should i go Nex 5N or A77?
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QUOTE(Newbieeeeee @ Sep 6 2011, 12:06 AM)
Haha. Extremely close. F11. Sifu memang is sifu lah!
Guys wanna ask for all oof your opinions on Panhead & Ballhead tripod. I think everyone here uses Ballhead?
Thinking of switching to Panhead, but afraid I might regret. I dont like ball cause of few reasons.
1. My landscape pics always dont come out straight
2. Always almost drop my camera because when release didnt hold camera.
3. Pictures always come out senget one. Haha

Will Panhead be able to help?
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whho ask u use the rm40 ballhead tongue.gif buy la rm400 ballhead, with friction control, release also wont drop, small push, can turn camera around, let go also wont drop tongue.gif
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post Sep 6 2011, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Sep 6 2011, 12:25 PM)
If you are telling me that bursting 12fps in 24mpx RAW + JPEG can last only 1 sec, then its likely to annoy me off lol

But if at 12fps JPEG/RAW only, can it last longer?

SD card, even class 10 or extreme, expected already it will slow down but not till so drastic?
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d7000 if shoot 24bit raw, it can only write till 11 images, while standard jpeg can write up to 100 images lo.

And a77 limit is 13 images sweat.gif Only if Sony would up the buffer to 24 images nod.gif

And also, where can u find a memory card that cansubstain 24mp * 12 per second?

This post has been edited by Zicron: Sep 6 2011, 12:41 PM
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Sony is crazy, i never think they will ever serious making NEX into pro, look at Nex7,... there is possible they will make a mirrorless FF.... and it seem they put a lot focus on E mount, because its something that really belongs to them,... unlike A mount is still minolta legacy.


Added on September 6, 2011, 12:42 pmerm, A/D conversion takes time too... that why 850/900 has dual bionz... one to "work/metering/af/etc" during shooting, another for A/D conversion (jpeg too),

the buffer dont work one way, it also buffer for analog data... so can see drastic improvement when shooting at lower resolution/slower speed in practice (dont look at spec speed) i tested 580 can large jpeg 5fps for about 15 sec before it start to slowdown on Hi Speed Card (W 20mb/s) which i highly doubt is card speed related. 5fps x 15 sec is 75 jpegs is a lot. but compare to that A77 24mp...

anyHOW, why you need 12fps? u already got 2.1mp 60fps on A77 too.

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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 6 2011, 08:59 AM)
Get a camera with a built in horizon level meter: problem solved. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 6 2011, 12:47 AM)
Pan head doesnt guarantee str8 horizons too if your technique is wrong in the 1st place. I personally feel that ball heads are more versatile and easier to get it into position than pan head, one knob to lock and release compared to pan head's 3 way adjustments.

Your prob no.1  & 3 is easily overcome with careful alignment of the camera, or u can get a bubble level to be extra sure. But I usually use the focus dots inside the ovf to know if the shot is straight or not.

As for your no.2, a bit of being more careful of your gears will be enough, panheads will have the same issue too if you are still not careful when u use it.
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Oh. Thanks for the tip. But if everything ballhead then whats panhead for? Videography?


QUOTE(ieR @ Sep 6 2011, 12:34 PM)
whho ask u use the rm40 ballhead tongue.gif buy la rm400 ballhead, with friction control, release also wont drop, small push, can turn camera around, let go also wont drop tongue.gif
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I memang using RM40 ballhead. Hahahah! No money lah! Money printing machine sent for servicing.
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QUOTE(Zicron @ Sep 6 2011, 12:35 PM)
d7000 if shoot 24bit raw, it can only write till 11 images, while standard jpeg can write up to 100 images lo.

And a77 limit is  13 images sweat.gif  Only if Sony would up the buffer to 24 images nod.gif

And also, where can u find a memory card that cansubstain 24mp * 12 per second?
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Exactly. Aww well, guess I shall not be too bothered bout that than.

Erm, Class 10 extreme class could transfer up to like 30mb? Maybe we need the good old CF back liao.

QUOTE(ieR @ Sep 6 2011, 12:36 PM)
Sony is crazy, i never think they will ever serious making NEX into pro, look at Nex7,... there is possible they will make a mirrorless FF.... and it seem they put a lot focus on E mount, because its something that really belongs to them,... unlike A mount is still minolta legacy.


Added on September 6, 2011, 12:42 pmerm, A/D conversion takes time too... that why 850/900 has dual bionz... one to "work/metering/af/etc" during shooting, another for A/D conversion (jpeg too),

the buffer dont work one way, it also buffer for analog data... so can see drastic improvement when shooting at lower resolution/slower speed in practice (dont look at spec speed) i tested 580 can large jpeg 5fps for about 15 sec before it start to slowdown on Hi Speed Card (W 20mb/s) which i highly doubt is card speed related. 5fps x 15 sec is 75 jpegs is a lot. but compare to that A77 24mp...

anyHOW, why you need 12fps? u already got 2.1mp 60fps on A77 too.
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Another good point, but 12 fps is one of the selling point of A77....

I would rather like to be able to use it, however rare XD
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post Sep 6 2011, 01:27 PM

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5D2 22MP maximum burst specs: 3.9 shots per second, RAW buffer 14
7D 18MP maximum burst specs: 8 shots per second, RAW buffer 15
A77 24MP maximum burst specs: 12 shots per second, RAW buffer 13

U can see that a77 and 5d2 buffer is almost the same, thou 5d2 is slower in fps. So i guess the main problem is with the memory card now.

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