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 Arsenal Street Talk, 21 September 2011 | 0240 | ARS v. SBY

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JoyLee1055
post Sep 8 2011, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Sep 9 2011, 12:20 AM)
aku agak tak berapa senang dengan kekerapan komen jenis menyuruh rakan Gooners menyokong kelab lain yang agak selalu digunakan di dalam topik AST. apakah memang perlu kita melontarkan komen sebegitu sesama kita?
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hahaha.......... one bad apple in AST does not spoil my mood.

I still want to share the topic on the Arsenal's 2 billionaires.

Stan Kroenke owns more than 50% of Arsenal.
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Now that Stan Kroenke has majority ownership (more than 50%) of Arsenal, he has complete operational control over issues such as hiring the executive team and day to day financial decisions. He also appoints the Board, and as part of his takeover statement he promised to retain the existing Board for at least one year. Some major company decisions require more than 75% of the shareholders to vote in favour of them at an Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM). These decisions might include paying a management fee, changing the name of the club or issuing new equity.


Stan owns 4 sports club - hockey, basket, american football & british football (arsenal).
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Anyway, what’s interesting is that the longer Arsenal goes on with a trophy drought, and the longer we have to watch other clubs winning a nuclear arms race, the more open fans are to inviting Usmanov to the board at the very least. According to the most recent Arsenal Supporters’ Trust survey, 70% wanted to invite Usmanov to the board, whereas only 40% wanted him on the board a year ago. Taking it a step further, I would imagine that a lot of fans are starting to hope that Usmanov not only joins the board, but purchases a majority share from Kroenke. And while Kroenke seems to genuinely enjoy being an owner of multiple sports clubs, he also doesn’t seem to be the type who would reject a windfall profit in a short span of time. So we’ll have to wait and see how all that turns out.

The next question we have to ask about Kroenke should be fairly simple to answer. And that is, which one of two general categories of sports owners does he fall under? One category is the one that treats the club as a business. And while it may be a fun and exciting business, it’s still a business. The other category is the one that treats the club as a hobby. If that’s the case, then making money doesn’t really matter. Money can be made elsewhere, but the club is where the owner has his fun. So just as a mega-rich person wouldn’t expect to make money on his yacht or island resort mansion, neither should he expect to make money on his sports team. Well, I think it’s pretty clear that so far, Kroenke falls under the first category. If there’s a silver lining in this from an Arsenal perspective, it’s that the club still makes massive profits, and can compete at a high level while still earning a profit. And then, of course, if Financial Fair Play ever comes riding into town on a white horse, we might be dominating affairs while everyone else crumbles.


Do read the following interesting article :-
http://arsenal.theoffside.com/team-news/wh...nke-anyway.html

As i said b4, if i want to jump ship I would not post anything in here.

This is just sharing & discussion, NOT COMPLAINING.

Anyway who am I to complain when compare to fellow gooners who had supported Arsenal 20-30 years.
Does my complaint makes any difference on how Arsenal is being run?
Nope as I don't hv the power of $$$ to join the board to have my say in the running of Arsenal........ brows.gif


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post Sep 9 2011, 10:44 AM

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Joylee and all, I'm sure most of us are friendly in nature, but there have been too much negativity in the thread sweat.gif


One must understand that Arsenal never spend like other rich clubs do. If one supports Arsenal, he/she should support this too.

I understand that the football world has changed, but considering our way of working all these while, please have some "soft spots" on how we adapt to this new challenges in burning money spending.
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QUOTE(JoyLee1055 @ Sep 8 2011, 11:48 PM)
hahaha.......... one bad apple in AST does not spoil my mood.

I still want to share the topic on the Arsenal's 2 billionaires.

Stan Kroenke owns more than 50% of Arsenal.
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Now that Stan Kroenke has majority ownership (more than 50%) of Arsenal, he has complete operational control over issues such as hiring the executive team and day to day financial decisions. He also appoints the Board, and as part of his takeover statement he promised to retain the existing Board for at least one year. Some major company decisions require more than 75% of the shareholders to vote in favour of them at an Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM). These decisions might include paying a management fee, changing the name of the club or issuing new equity.


Stan owns 4 sports club - hockey, basket, american football & british football (arsenal).
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Anyway, what’s interesting is that the longer Arsenal goes on with a trophy drought, and the longer we have to watch other clubs winning a nuclear arms race, the more open fans are to inviting Usmanov to the board at the very least. According to the most recent Arsenal Supporters’ Trust survey, 70% wanted to invite Usmanov to the board, whereas only 40% wanted him on the board a year ago. Taking it a step further, I would imagine that a lot of fans are starting to hope that Usmanov not only joins the board, but purchases a majority share from Kroenke. And while Kroenke seems to genuinely enjoy being an owner of multiple sports clubs, he also doesn’t seem to be the type who would reject a windfall profit in a short span of time. So we’ll have to wait and see how all that turns out.

The next question we have to ask about Kroenke should be fairly simple to answer. And that is, which one of two general categories of sports owners does he fall under? One category is the one that treats the club as a business. And while it may be a fun and exciting business, it’s still a business. The other category is the one that treats the club as a hobby. If that’s the case, then making money doesn’t really matter. Money can be made elsewhere, but the club is where the owner has his fun. So just as a mega-rich person wouldn’t expect to make money on his yacht or island resort mansion, neither should he expect to make money on his sports team. Well, I think it’s pretty clear that so far, Kroenke falls under the first category. If there’s a silver lining in this from an Arsenal perspective, it’s that the club still makes massive profits, and can compete at a high level while still earning a profit. And then, of course, if Financial Fair Play ever comes riding into town on a white horse, we might be dominating affairs while everyone else crumbles.


Do read the following interesting article :-
http://arsenal.theoffside.com/team-news/wh...nke-anyway.html

As i said b4, if i want to jump ship I would not post anything in here.

This is just sharing & discussion, NOT COMPLAINING.

Anyway who am I to complain when compare to fellow gooners who had supported Arsenal 20-30 years.
Does my complaint makes any difference on how Arsenal is being run?
Nope as I don't hv the power of $$$ to join the board to have my say in the running of Arsenal........ brows.gif
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I don't think it's only Kroenke treating the club as a hobby. His bunch of recruits particularly Gazidis personify his personality -- too modest and unbullish. I personally feel they are pretty subdued for people who grew up with the Charging Bull on one of their streets. The best case in point is Barcelona VP's recent statement. Any sane Gooner would've expected a top-ranking official from the Arsenal to come out with all guns blazing and criticise the VP's statement but no, they just had to keep it "diplomatic". I had Gazidis in mind, but he just seemed reluctant. He gives me the impression of an arthritic old athlete, still it in but not quite in it.

I'm starting to see the merits of Dein's combative qualities in a relatively soft board. The Arsenal needs a rugged and steely Adams not only on the pitch, but also on the board!

Bloody board frustrates the hell out of me vmad.gif
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post Sep 9 2011, 11:04 AM

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As I said before, I've been supporting arsenal for 24+ yrs already... Never, even b4 aw, has arsenal bow down to ridiculous spending. It always has been that way.

Salary structure is up to the club to determine but I think we are up there with the top clubs. We didn't pay extreme salaries but certainly we're paying more than enough. Look at adebayor, how much is his salary? Now to sell/loan him also damn hard. Our wage structure is competitive but need a bit of revision. I think we r on the right path.

Yes, usmanov is richer than abramovich... But what if he decides he don't want to pay anymore? Happens to chelsea with RA few years back n suddenly they look vulnerable. Luckily RA decides to continue with chelsea. If he decides to sell, u think got people wanna buy for 1bil?

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he can talk kok all he wants, but not single fucuk given by stan n aw

i think joylee is one of the board itself or got REAL insider source about how much CASH Arsenal have in the bank.

JoyLee also got real proof that AW n board are stingy people. Can buy top money transfer and wages but AW n board choose to simpan that moneh.

all future money for investment, plan, emirates operational cost are set up already. Left 3736465945704 mil money in the bank for transfer and wages.

And i support JoyLee.

Dem u AW n Board. go die better. stingy people.
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post Sep 9 2011, 11:15 AM

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Guys, please understand that we get all the information from the media (or rather, manipulated by the media). Can't blame any individual for having different opinions on the club.

However, there is one thing for sure; we are all into the betterment of the club thumbup.gif


As much as we welcome debates and discussions, we should refrain from focusing in criticizing individuals wink.gif Club comes first smile.gif
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QUOTE(sakaito @ Sep 9 2011, 11:04 AM)
As I said before, I've been supporting arsenal for 24+ yrs already... Never, even b4 aw, has arsenal bow down to ridiculous spending. It always has been that way.

Salary structure is up to the club to determine but I think we are up there with the top clubs. We didn't pay extreme salaries but certainly we're paying more than enough. Look at adebayor, how much is his salary? Now to sell/loan him also damn hard. Our wage structure is competitive but need a bit of revision. I think we r on the right path.

Yes, usmanov is richer than abramovich... But what if he decides he don't want to pay anymore? Happens to chelsea with RA few years back n suddenly they look vulnerable. Luckily RA decides to continue with chelsea. If he decides to sell, u think got people wanna buy for 1bil?
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yes, i agree... smile.gif
we just can't compete yet on wages demand with those richer clubs...

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lol at adebayour part. who the hell want to pay that kind of salary to him except man city
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adebayor a season woner went to city n doomed.nasri???hope he follow adebayor's path.huh!
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QUOTE(little_mozart @ Sep 9 2011, 11:09 AM)
he can talk kok all he wants, but not single fucuk given by stan n aw

i think joylee is one of the board itself or got REAL insider source about how much CASH Arsenal have in the bank.

JoyLee also got real proof that AW n board are stingy people. Can buy top money transfer and wages but AW n board choose to simpan that moneh.

all future money for investment, plan, emirates operational cost are set up already. Left 3736465945704 mil money in the bank for transfer and wages.

And i support JoyLee.

Dem u AW n Board. go die better. stingy people.
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Yeah, I think JoyLee is correct.

He had all those proves to support him, I don't.

Ok, AW!! You better spend more moolah on players and wages so people like Bendtner fail to move to other club because of wage demands!!
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really a good time to meet swansea and gain back the confidence ...

even with a depleted squad, swansea still no where near to gunners' strength.

This post has been edited by Ken: Sep 9 2011, 03:18 PM
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post Sep 9 2011, 04:00 PM

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remember last year west brom ?
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QUOTE(FollowN @ Sep 9 2011, 10:58 AM)
I don't think it's only Kroenke treating the club as a hobby. His bunch of recruits particularly Gazidis personify his personality -- too modest and unbullish. I personally feel they are pretty subdued for people who grew up with the Charging Bull on one of their streets. The best case in point is Barcelona VP's recent statement. Any sane Gooner would've expected a top-ranking official from the Arsenal to come out with all guns blazing and criticise the VP's statement but no, they just had to keep it "diplomatic". I had Gazidis in mind, but he just seemed reluctant. He gives me the impression of an arthritic old athlete, still it in but not quite in it.

I'm starting to see the merits of Dein's combative qualities in a relatively soft board. The Arsenal needs a rugged and steely Adams not only on the pitch, but also on the board!

Bloody board frustrates the hell out of me  vmad.gif
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What good will it do if any of our board members come out and blast Barcelona? The player has already been sold, spiting bile and venom is not going to do anybody good.

I too feel that a charismatic and outspoken board member would be helpful as both Stanny and Gazi seem like soft-spoken, mild mannered people who run the club without letting too much out of the bag. Peter Hillwood is often the voicebox but too often do his opinions get interpreted as stubborn and old-fashioned, yet the reality is that Pete is more of a figurehead due to his familial heritage and has no real authority. Danny Fizman was the one that called the shots, and he has passed the baton on to Stanny.

David Dein has been deified by many ever since we went on that "6 year without a trophy" shit. As much as I acknowledge and respect the man for what he has done for our club, he ain't exactly a saint either. He's the one that pushed for a Wembley rental deal (and we all know how disastrous the construction of Wembley was compared to our Ashburton Grove which was completed ahead of schedule), and also the one who went for a windfall after allying with Usmanov and selling the latter his shares. To give him the benefit of doubt, his intentions were probably good to begin with; but I still stand by the notion that our current self-sustaining business model is much better than fully dependent on a sugardaddy's mood.

Usmanov might have did what Roman did for Chelsea or the Arabs for City, and we may have won some bling bling during recent years. However there's an equal chance that we may end up like many other clubs with huge investors, i.e. winning nothing whatsoever. And don't forget regardless of what he has spoken all these while, he may also choose not to spend hugely too. We don't know what his real plans are either as they were never clearly revealed, regardless of how much we complain about Stanny's silence.

At least under our current modus operandi, we won't go bust regardless of trophies or not. And when we aren't bust, there's always a chance we'll challenge for something.

Whether we like it or not, sports clubs ARE businesses, not hobbies, which is why the Americans call them sporting "franchises" rather than "clubs". And I'm happy that our club is being managed properly like a business - self-sustaining, long term financial plans and fixed debt repayments, and increasing profits.

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QUOTE(jam_lennon @ Sep 9 2011, 04:00 PM)
remember last year west brom ?
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That time Almunia was our GK..beaten twice at nearpost..even Apek can do better..

Ah..and I still blame Almunia for our loss in UCL final 2006..same incident, beaten twice at nearpost..
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^same as me.if only pak lehmann didn't got sent off... sad.gif
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I just cant wait to see our new signings in action this weekend..
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The momentum in this thread is building up..sign of 'weekend is coming' cheers.gif
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y not if RvP scored that penalty then it wont be 8-2 tragedy??

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QUOTE(jam_lennon @ Sep 9 2011, 04:26 PM)
y not if RvP scored that penalty then it wont be 8-2 tragedy??
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Everything happened for a reason..if not for the 8-2 trashing, I don't think AW would as many players as he bought..

With the squad we have, top 4 place is in our pocket..title winner? I'm not that optimist..

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