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post Feb 24 2012, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Dreadlock13 @ Feb 24 2012, 03:29 PM)
need help with the shoe
and anatomy, i draw the foot and shoe a few time but i cant seem to get it right,

agito sensei and all other sensei  help me pls >_<
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me myself is having a hard time rendering anatomies...
dang,thats why I cheat. cry.gif
the feet is okay,just adjust the right foot,she's gonna have aches.

on a side note,

do u guys take requests from others just like that?
I mean,people request something,but they are not paying for it,not that I really want to charge them,but I feel insecure,it is not a win win situation.
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post Feb 24 2012, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Feb 24 2012, 06:08 PM)
me myself is having a hard time rendering anatomies...
dang,thats why I cheat. cry.gif
the feet is okay,just adjust the right foot,she's gonna have aches.

on a side note,

do u guys take requests from others just like that?
I mean,people request something,but they are not paying for it,not that I really want to charge them,but I feel inrsecure,it is not a win win situation.
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ah... im sorry i just need guidance. more like sharing information. like before agito did share a lot information here. same as i did .and i believe that an artist take pride on thier work. even my self. most people don't want to share thier knowledge. that why some time its better to ask or even beg. rather then stealing. but in the end its up to you ...

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post Feb 24 2012, 09:15 PM

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@ Dreadlock13

You may find these useful: Tutorial: Feet and Shoes by *Tyshea and Drawing Feet by `Cedarseed

The former shows how to imagine the foot as a solid, 3-dimensional block, so you can construct "solid" feet, as well as a helpful guide on how to draw feet with shoes on.

The latter is more technical, and goes into the little details, like how the toes are curved, proportions, why shoe-wearing people and barefooted people have differently shaped feet, the various feet shapes etc. It suggests drawing using the oval/sausage technique, however, which I personally find to be rather... unhelpful when drawing feet, since it tends to end up looking like sacks of flesh sad.gif

One has to remember that 1) the foot is mostly bone and tendon, and 2) it acts as the base for the body's weight, like the base of a pillar, so it has to be "solid" looking to look convincing.

Of course, it does not mean that feet can't be made to look delicate, but most of the time if your character is running/standing/hopping, you'll need convincingly solid feet smile.gif


Added on February 24, 2012, 9:19 pm@ Adam

Personally I don't mind sharing knowledge, since it helps me understand myself and how I work better, which also allows me to decide if a technique I'm using is considered "efficient" or not.

After all, if I can't break my process down into simple steps, then I'm doing something in an overly-complicated manner and/or being too fussy over the small details. wink.gif Which may or may not be a bad thing (hell, what may seem simple to me might seem complicated to others, and vice versa) but I do like to save time smile.gif so I go for efficiency.

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QUOTE(Dreadlock13 @ Feb 24 2012, 08:19 PM)
ah... im sorry  i just need guidance. more like sharing information. like before agito did share a lot information here. same as i did .and i believe that an artist take pride on thier work. even my self. most people don't want to share thier knowledge. that why some time its better to ask or even beg. rather then stealing. but in the end its up to you ...
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use box for the shoe... tutorial got a lot these...haha. XD

i m lazy do it today... whistling.gif
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post Feb 24 2012, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(Dreadlock13 @ Feb 24 2012, 08:19 PM)
ah... im sorry  i just need guidance. more like sharing information. like before agito did share a lot information here. same as i did .and i believe that an artist take pride on thier work. even my self. most people don't want to share thier knowledge. that why some time its better to ask or even beg. rather then stealing. but in the end its up to you ...
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@ Adam

Personally I don't mind sharing knowledge, since it helps me understand myself and how I work better, which also allows me to decide if a technique I'm using is considered "efficient" or not.

After all, if I can't break my process down into simple steps, then I'm doing something in an overly-complicated manner and/or being too fussy over the small details. wink.gif Which may or may not be a bad thing (hell, what may seem simple to me might seem complicated to others, and vice versa) but I do like to save time smile.gif so I go for efficiency.
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I think u guys misunderstood what did I post.
some people want me to draw for them,I dont mind if its some simple sketch or whatever,but if its a portrait,then I mind.
what did u guys meant by sharing knowledge and all that?

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post Feb 24 2012, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Feb 24 2012, 11:23 PM)
I think u guys misunderstood what did I post.
some people want me to draw for them,I dont mind if its some simple sketch or whatever,but if its a portrait,then I mind.
what did u guys meant by sharing knowledge and all that?
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i will look at their requirement... if its very lavish n detailed n i think i can deliver... then i'll charge.. but over time if i think i didnt do that great a job, i'll just let them have it for free. will take it as a lil practice for myself, so as not to get rusty. however, if i enjoyed doing it that much, i probably wont charge also lah. ><
but thats just me.
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post Feb 25 2012, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(pf-L33 @ Feb 24 2012, 11:44 PM)
i will look at their requirement... if its very lavish n detailed n i think i can deliver... then i'll charge.. but over time if i think i didnt do that great a job, i'll just let them have it for free. will take it as a lil practice for myself, so as not to get rusty. however, if i enjoyed doing it that much, i probably wont charge also lah. ><
but thats just me.
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sounds good,but I actually feel good if people like what Ive done,like I can see that they appreciate it,but then again,I dont get anything apart from making people happy.
the bolded part,hmmm,thats sound like u dont care about the person liking your piece or not.
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post Feb 25 2012, 12:51 AM

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@ Adam

Ah. It's a misunderstanding, since you quoted Dreadlock's plea for help, and then after that ask about "requests" without specifying what sort of requests are those.

Personally, I used to accept requests, but now that I'm doing paid commissions, I usually decline FoC requests. Sets a bad precedent...

"What? You gave your art to this guy/gal for free? How come I don't get that treatment?" *whine whine rant whine boohoohooNOFAIR*

... that sort of thing.

I DO, however, accept "trades". Certain books, jewellery, or crucial exposure in a major publication, that sort of thing. Depends, really, if I deem the offering suitable tongue.gif
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post Feb 25 2012, 02:51 AM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Feb 25 2012, 12:51 AM)
@ Adam

Ah. It's a misunderstanding, since you quoted Dreadlock's plea for help, and then after that ask about "requests" without specifying what sort of requests are those.

Personally, I used to accept requests, but now that I'm doing paid commissions, I usually decline FoC requests. Sets a bad precedent...

"What? You gave your art to this guy/gal for free? How come I don't get that treatment?" *whine whine rant whine boohoohooNOFAIR*

... that sort of thing.

I DO, however, accept "trades". Certain books, jewellery, or crucial exposure in a major publication, that sort of thing. Depends, really, if I deem the offering suitable tongue.gif
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ive hinted "on a side note",guess need to study english more.
aahh I see,maybe it all depends on certain circumstances.I should not do paid commissions just yet,need to build up enough reputation on the field,specifically,DA.
for now,decided to follow conscience,and sharpen skills until I feel right that people should pay me for my work.
how did u got commisions though?
the trades and all that.

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post Feb 25 2012, 06:49 AM

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@ Adam

Do you want the long, specific history of how I ended up doing this as a paying hobby (because it certainly wasn't my intention when I started drawing), or a short, quick guide on how to promote yourself? biggrin.gif
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post Feb 25 2012, 08:59 AM

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anyway thank for the advice you guys

@dragon
i seen the tutorial before,
i guess making them is a different story all together


anyway this 2 design i think that fits

the left side

for some reason look weird, it done on sai line tool,

the right side

looks ok but still looks odd


any opinion on this one?
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post Feb 25 2012, 02:21 PM

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@ Dread

Here's a pair of reference pics to compare tongue.gif

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For the left pic:

1) The heel of the girl's right boot is not in the right perspective, and the outsole is not connected properly to the shoe (unless it's a fashion shoe, that kind of heel will fall off after some walking).

2) The centreline of girl's left boot is not properly centred.

3) The same centreline also should not bend so abruptly above the toebox, and the too-straight shape of the centreline over the arch of her foot makes her foot look flattened out.


For the right pic:

1) The girl's right foot looks like it's made of plasticine. The structure of the foot has disappeared completely.

2) The girl's left foot has a perspective and proportion issue. Compare with the reference smile.gif Also, considering how the leg is positioned, the fall of the skirt is totally wrong laugh.gif

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post Feb 25 2012, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Feb 25 2012, 06:49 AM)
@ Adam

Do you want the long, specific history of how I ended up doing this as a paying hobby (because it certainly wasn't my intention when I started drawing), or a short, quick guide on how to promote yourself? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Feb 25 2012, 12:47 AM)
sounds good,but I actually feel good if people like what Ive done,like I can see that they appreciate it,but then again,I dont get anything apart from making people happy.
the bolded part,hmmm,thats sound like u dont care about the person liking your piece or not.
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owh actually i do care about that. just that if they like it but i dont feel like its up to my standard, but they want it anyway.. i'll give it to them for free. it makes me feel bad taking money for a sub-par job i'd done.

well if u feel happy that they are happy then i guess u did get something out of it.. but if ur looking at it as a possible source of income, then the feeling wont be the same. in my case its just a hobby. dont care if i get paid for it or not. sometimes i just feel like drawing for no good reason. heh. and IF i DO get paid for it. OSM. tongue.gif

owh, btw... about anatomy.. just do MORE study sketches of anatomy instead of complete drawings... helps u learn faster. and DONT discard ur test sketches/study sketches. somehow it helps... just... trust me on that. kinda. :\



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post Feb 25 2012, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(pf-L33 @ Feb 25 2012, 04:32 PM)
owh actually i do care about that. just that if they like it but i dont feel like its up to my standard, but they want it anyway.. i'll give it to them for free. it makes me feel bad taking money for a sub-par job i'd done.

well if u feel happy that they are happy then i guess u did get something out of it.. but if ur looking at it as a possible source of income, then the feeling wont be the same. in my case its just a hobby. dont care if i get paid for it or not. sometimes i just feel like drawing for no good reason. heh. and IF i DO get paid for it. OSM. tongue.gif

owh, btw... about anatomy.. just do MORE study sketches of anatomy instead of complete drawings... helps u learn faster. and DONT discard ur test sketches/study sketches. somehow it helps... just... trust me on that. kinda. :\
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ahh I see

u can take it as hobby because you're an architect(?),u're already got a job(?)
what about me,still stuck amidst choosing career..

ok,thanks man,will take that as a reminder.
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Feb 25 2012, 02:21 PM)
@ Dread

Here's a pair of reference pics to compare tongue.gif

user posted image

user posted image

For the left pic:

1) The heel of the girl's right boot is not in the right perspective, and the outsole is not connected properly to the shoe (unless it's a fashion shoe, that kind of heel will fall off after some walking).

2) The centreline of girl's left boot is not properly centred.

3) The same centreline also should not bend so abruptly above the toebox, and the too-straight shape of the centreline over the arch of her foot makes her foot look flattened out.
For the right pic:

1) The girl's right foot looks like it's made of plasticine. The structure of the foot has disappeared completely.

2) The girl's left foot has a perspective and proportion issue. Compare with the reference smile.gif Also, considering how the leg is positioned, the fall of the skirt is totally wrong laugh.gif
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roger

roger

and roger

ill rework it again


BTW ... is that you on the pic sweat.gif
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post Feb 25 2012, 05:50 PM

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cincai2 lah
sudah hundred times capturing this,finally fed up!!
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post Feb 25 2012, 07:41 PM

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@ Dreadlock

The only thing that's "me" in that photo are the shoes, which belong to me. The girl would be my model of a sister smile.gif

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@ Adam

Hehehe biggrin.gif well, if that's the case, I'll just post this, which was a REALLY long post I'd made in response to someone who asked about how to get into freelancing.

My history:

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Which leads to where I am now. Still in my fulltime, stable job, but I'm still freelancing. smile.gif

... well, that's not a very coherent way of telling you "How to get freelancing jobs?", eh? rclxub.gif unsure.gif

Let's see if I can break it down for you. Most of it is common sense, some is related to marketing. This probably works better if you're a modeller or a painter, which is where my experience comes from, but it does help even if you're a photo-manipulator or a graphics artist.


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On promoting:

I think it's a combination of keeping your skills sharp and keeping yourself visible. If you're good, people will naturally start to watch you, but even the best talent in the world won't be properly appreciated if no one can see it, hmm?

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post Feb 26 2012, 12:22 AM

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Wow,I actually read all.
so there are incidents that lead you to do this commission thingy.
all that happened in around DA?
and basically,all of your commissions came from online customers right?

aahhh,need to be active in DA...I see.
keep myself visible,hmm,as a lazy person,hard task indeed.

aannd,I learn something,get a full time,stable job and take art as a hobby,get payed is a bonus.

hmm,just not sure yet,why cant I choose art as a career...tough world,sigh



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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Feb 25 2012, 05:04 PM)
ahh I see

u can take it as hobby because you're an architect(?),u're already got a job(?)
what about me,still stuck amidst choosing career..

ok,thanks man,will take that as a reminder.
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it can be a career.. but u still gots to feed urself!
i take it as a hobby simply coz i love to draw...
u can always do art.. if ur still studying, can enrol in art/design school. or else just get a day job and then keep drawing n painting. sometimes i feel its important to stop choosing n start doing... along the way u'll figure out a balance thats just nice for you.

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