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 ::: ART ATTACK V3 :::, all about handmade ART :D

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post Feb 26 2012, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(pf-L33 @ Feb 26 2012, 12:54 AM)
it can be a career.. but u still gots to feed urself!
i take it as a hobby simply coz i love to draw...
u can always do art.. if ur still studying, can enrol in art/design school. or else just get a day job and then keep drawing n painting. sometimes i feel its important to stop choosing n start doing... along the way u'll figure out a balance thats just nice for you.
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stop choosing and start doing,how to start doing when I dont even know where and what thing to start?right?
btw that's a great advice u got there,got me thinking for a while,sometimes I take too much time choosing,and yet,I still dont know.
stuck between,"money guaranteed job" and "a job that is parallel to my passion".

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post Feb 26 2012, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Feb 25 2012, 07:41 PM)
@ Dreadlock

The only thing that's "me" in that photo are the shoes, which belong to me. The girl would be my model of a sister smile.gif

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omg..this make me really burning up my spirit D:
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post Feb 26 2012, 06:25 AM

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@ Adam

pf-L33 makes a good point. You CAN choose art as a career. But be prepared to work REALLY hard. It's a very, VERY competitive field, with too little jobs and too many candidates hungry for work. Most freelancers I know usually have a full-time job somewhere, or have some other "ricebowl" helping to support them while they look for work (usually the spouse). Takes a REALLY good and in-demand artist to be a full-time freelancer.

You need to think of the art-as-a-job thing as a business. Sure, it's "fun", but when you start profiting off it, it's a business, and you need to run it like a business smile.gif So all business-related skills (selling, networking, customer relations, etc) apply here.

As for the dA thing... yes, dA where I spend most of my online time at, it's my main platform in promoting my artwork, and also where I usually get my clients.

I will be frank; dA's HUGE, and its accessibility means that there are TONS of "not so good" work out there, so you have to work to keep yourself visible. That said, if you have skills, your work will speak for themselves when you show it to people.

My most loyal customers over the two years are usually repeat customers, people I'd worked with since I started accepting commissions. Currently I've been commissioned to create the covers for two series of romance novels (which will be published through Amazon's ebook feature), and the author of one of those series is also the same person who wrote "Elysium" (that is, the fic that I was creating B & W lineart illustrations for), while her best friend writes the other series. So... yup, networking doesn't hurt smile.gif
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post Feb 26 2012, 09:58 AM

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Ok totally remake the leg part

now with full anatomy view on left side
and the fabric on the right, im week on that area, so i make it as simple as possible for me hehehe


so please review the error on anything and everything please smile.gif
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post Feb 26 2012, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Feb 26 2012, 01:12 AM)
stop choosing and start doing,how to start doing when I dont even know where and what thing to start?right?
btw that's a great advice u got there,got me thinking for a while,sometimes I take too much time choosing,and yet,I still dont know.
stuck between,"money guaranteed job" and "a job that is parallel to my passion".
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there is never any guarantee in any job. u simply do what u can.if u have more interest in smth else other than just art/drawing.. maybe use that as ur other outlet or that as another possible source of income.. i think it can work.
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post Feb 26 2012, 12:22 PM

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post Feb 26 2012, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Dreadlock13 @ Feb 26 2012, 09:58 AM)
Ok totally remake the leg part

now with full anatomy view on left side
and the fabric on the right,  im week on that area, so i make it as simple as possible for me hehehe
so please review the error on anything and everything please  smile.gif
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her breast,torso and right leg might need to refine a bit.
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post Feb 26 2012, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Feb 26 2012, 06:25 AM)
@ Adam

pf-L33 makes a good point. You CAN choose art as a career. But be prepared to work REALLY hard. It's a very, VERY competitive field, with too little jobs and too many candidates hungry for work.
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expected this part,been thinking about it and u proved it.
thats why,I want to make art as a hobby only,simply like what u do.
and lets just say,I can make use of art whenever I bump on dead end.

QUOTE(Dreadlock13 @ Feb 26 2012, 09:58 AM)
Ok totally remake the leg part

now with full anatomy view on left side
and the fabric on the right,  im week on that area, so i make it as simple as possible for me hehehe
so please review the error on anything and everything please  smile.gif
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looking better,inachi's right,the torso is kind of flat.

QUOTE(pf-L33 @ Feb 26 2012, 11:23 AM)
there is never any guarantee in any job. u simply do what u can.if u have more interest in smth else other than just art/drawing.. maybe use that as ur other outlet or that as another possible source of income.. i think it can work.
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what if,what if I got no interest on something else other than art.
even if I interested in them,not sure if I can do it,engineering for example,no way I can comprehend the maths even if I like creating things.

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post Feb 26 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Feb 26 2012, 03:53 PM)
expected this part,been thinking about it and u proved it.
thats why,I want to make art as a hobby only,simply like what u do.
and lets just say,I can make use of art whenever I bump on dead end.
looking better,inachi's right,the torso is kind of flat.
what if,what if I got no interest on something else other than art.
even if I interested in them,not sure if I can do it,engineering for example,no way I can comprehend the maths even if I like creating things.
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go multi-task whistling.gif
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post Feb 26 2012, 05:18 PM

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@Adam

just keep in mind that, alot of people want to become a fulltime artist, doing their awesome artwork. The competition is hard, just go to comic fiesta, and see all the artist selling their artwork there. they are damn good. but how many of them are actually doing that well in term of income.

for fulltime jobs, there is more openings for designers, rather than a pure illustrator. Maybe still could get a job as concept artist in some animation studio. but the paid u get locally here is never that high, because each year there is so many students graduate from art and design college.

just be prepare the starting paid/salary u get will be lower than a lot of other jobs,


Added on February 26, 2012, 5:39 pmthe main construction crane is model in Blender3D. Background stuff is photoshop of different photos I took with my phone

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post Feb 26 2012, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Feb 26 2012, 04:25 PM)
go multi-task whistling.gif
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what do u mean bro

QUOTE(mclelun @ Feb 26 2012, 05:18 PM)
@Adam

just keep in mind that, alot of people want to become a fulltime artist, doing their awesome artwork. The competition is hard, just go to comic fiesta, and see all the artist selling their artwork there. they are damn good. but how many of them are actually doing that well in term of income.

for fulltime jobs, there is more openings for designers, rather than a pure illustrator. Maybe still could get a job as concept artist in some animation studio. but the paid u get locally here is never that high, because each year there is so many students graduate from art and design college.

just be prepare the starting paid/salary u get will be lower than a lot of other jobs,


Added on February 26, 2012, 5:39 pmthe main construction crane is model in Blender3D. Background stuff is photoshop of different photos I took with my phone

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knew it,reine also have said it,new thing for me to know,because for all this time I thought this industry is not well received by malaysians.
well then,thanks.
I'll go for something else then.

and good job,thats cool.

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post Feb 26 2012, 08:05 PM

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You can look in this way also, if u get an engineering degree, and become damn good in drawing. You still can work as illustrator because u can draw very good.

but you cant do it the other way round, u will need that engineering degree for company to hire you.


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post Feb 26 2012, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Feb 26 2012, 03:53 PM)
expected this part,been thinking about it and u proved it.
thats why,I want to make art as a hobby only,simply like what u do.
and lets just say,I can make use of art whenever I bump on dead end.
looking better,inachi's right,the torso is kind of flat.
what if,what if I got no interest on something else other than art.
even if I interested in them,not sure if I can do it,engineering for example,no way I can comprehend the maths even if I like creating things.
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can try designing... industrial design.. fashion design.. interior design... architecture... those have more of an industrial base than pure/fine art.. so more opportunity to secure relevant job. that way u can create things and leave the calculations to the engineers. heh.
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post Feb 26 2012, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(mclelun @ Feb 26 2012, 08:05 PM)
You can look in this way also, if u get an engineering degree, and become damn good in drawing. You still can work as illustrator because u can draw very good.

but you cant do it the other way round, u will need that engineering degree for company to hire you.
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nevermind,engineering has been crossed from the list. whistling.gif

QUOTE(pf-L33 @ Feb 26 2012, 10:38 PM)
can try designing... industrial design.. fashion design.. interior design... architecture... those have more of an industrial base than pure/fine art.. so more opportunity to secure relevant job. that way u can create things and leave the calculations to the engineers. heh.
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going for architecture,wrote it as my ambition when I was in primary school.
I never have a true ambition though.
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post Feb 27 2012, 02:03 AM

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i chose not to put any responsibility for my hobby so i went for programming instead doh.gif.. which im pretty good at too (i guess this is what bro agito meant by multi tasking)

but well i did intended to go back the designing field after i graduate but somehow an IT career might be a lil more lucrative. but then again, there's always competition.. so yea never assume success is easily obtainable. (but earning a side income is always easy)
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yes, that's what i mean.... i m actually animation field but end up now doing game art... well quite relate la... in the end, multi-task (not half-ass one) sometimes will let you find job more easier.
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post Feb 27 2012, 03:27 PM

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oh I see

hmmm,it seems like those people that most suitable for this industry are running away from it because of certain factors.
I'd say most people in this thread do not have any relation in the art/design industry,taking it merely as a hobby.
When I was in high school,the visual art class is occupied by students that did poorly on PMR.Consisting bad students that are not interested in art,getting into the class by force,not by choice,heck Im not sure that they know what is art or not.
While,me,interested in art dont wanna be in the class because of the students,just dont wanna be with them,so I entered science class instead,because the students are well mannered and lil bit more matured.
So,I look at it this way,u dont have to have good SPM result to apply art and design,right?
so,like mclelun said,there is so many people graduates from art/design college,maybe because many people occupied it because they have no choice,like what happened in the high school.
but I just not sure yet.
while people that are suitable with art/design goes other way,like bonchi said,programming is more profitable than designing.

then,from what I see in the local media,the designs made are bad,not to be harsh,but from my view,they are bad.
even this web's design,honestly it's bad,nothing catch my eyes.
I saw the local television's shows,the designs,oh,what are they thinking.
I conclude that,the industry is full of wrong people.While the creative minds go elsewhere nothing to be seen.
and maybe malaysia is not a place for artists and illustrators.
cant survive here.

come prove me wrong,enlighten me.
I was just babbling with zero knowledge,nothing is sure.


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post Feb 27 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Feb 27 2012, 03:27 PM)
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here's what i think:

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if u love to draw. dont u ever stop ur pencil/pen from drawing. same thing applies to reading n studying n learning about other things.

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btw. malaysia have excellent artists. they are simply not famous for being publicized by the media. nor do i think they need to be. they do great work and those who appreciate their work will, i believe, seek them out on their own. i know artists who sell their paintings for rm20,000 a piece - but to clientele that are very close to them - essentially, ppl that knows them as more than an alias, understands them, and love their work.
also, the TV is the worst place u wanna search for art. thats where commercialism lies, and that kills art b4 art has the chance to take form. stay away from TV if u love art.

also, creativity has many outlets - not just in art. design, mathematics, science and engineering and programming may need more creativity than it would for art. dealing with difficult ppl in itself, is the most intricate job description u can ever think of and if u arent creative about ur methods with ppl, ur doomed to fail.
where art is about expression, creativity is about thinking processes, finding solutions, solving problems in different fashions than it was conventionally done. put them together.. u have what we might call design.

just my 2 cents and 30mins.
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post Feb 28 2012, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Feb 27 2012, 03:27 PM)
oh I see

hmmm,it seems like those people that most suitable for this industry are running away from it because of certain factors.
I'd say most people in this thread do not have any relation in the art/design industry,taking it merely as a hobby.
When I was in high school,the visual art class is occupied by students that did poorly on PMR.Consisting bad students that are not interested in art,getting into the class by force,not by choice,heck Im not sure that they know what is art or not.
While,me,interested in art dont wanna be in the class because of the students,just dont wanna be with them,so I entered science class instead,because the students are well mannered and lil bit more matured.
So,I look at it this way,u dont have to have good SPM result to apply art and design,right?
so,like mclelun said,there is so many people graduates from art/design college,maybe because many people occupied it because they have no choice,like what happened in the high school.
but I just not sure yet.
while people that are suitable with art/design goes other way,like bonchi said,programming is more profitable than designing.

then,from what I see in the local media,the designs made are bad,not to be harsh,but from my view,they are bad.
even this web's design,honestly it's bad,nothing catch my eyes.
I saw the local television's shows,the designs,oh,what are they thinking.
I conclude that,the industry is full of wrong people.While the creative minds go elsewhere nothing to be seen.
and maybe malaysia is not a place for artists and illustrators.
cant survive here.

come prove me wrong,enlighten me.
I was just babbling with zero knowledge,nothing is sure.
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If you are studying in local college, they never really look into your result because you going to pay them to study. tongue.gif
I think their basic requirement is just need you to pass BM. if you fail BM, you just need take BM course in the college. (more money for them)

For me, I was graduated in APIIT with a programming degree. but I was young and passion about art and design when I graduate, so I end up applying a job as a concept artist. I can frankly tell you that my first job paid was quite low comparing with my college mate that went into programming industry.

Anyway, I believe art and design related industry will give me something that I can never get if I choose to become a programmer, which is fame. You know I also want to do some awesome art/design thing, be it comic, animation, game or watever that use my creativity. woooohoooo /dreaming biggrin.gif


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